Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Locked thread
Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 5 hours!

ex post facho posted:

i wish centrists would just read james q. wilson's "the moral sense" bc it taught me years and years ago that centrism was strongly correlated with brainworms

there's a hypothesis that the idea of poor being lazy in the south, beyond the normal confines of classism, may be the result of walking barefoot on grass leading to energy-sapping parasites.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007
trump now reaching back through time to infect history

Jazerus
May 24, 2011


the afl was a moderate labor org created to kill the knights of labor & which consistently opposed the iww, black union members, etc. and it merged with the cio after the cio lost a lot of its leadership because they were communists during the red scare

afl-cio sucks is what i'm trying to say

ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007
southerners literally infected with hookworms, to be precise

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/wnxxq5/southerners-werent-lazy-just-infected-with-hookworms-stereotype

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Jazerus posted:

the afl was a moderate labor org created to kill the knights of labor & which consistently opposed the iww, black union members, etc. and it merged with the cio after the cio lost a lot of its leadership because they were communists during the red scare

afl-cio sucks is what i'm trying to say

Yep. Not too hard to figure out why they're still on the council.

Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP

Condiv posted:

i didn't think i'd get triggered so hard by a tweet, but these little asswipes using heather heyer as their profile picture while they denounce antifa has really got my blood boiling

Looks like they've already changed their picture after everyone in the comments was rightly making GBS threads on them for being complete loving ghouls.

Agnosticnixie
Jan 6, 2015

Jazerus posted:

the afl was a moderate labor org created to kill the knights of labor & which consistently opposed the iww, black union members, etc. and it merged with the cio after the cio lost a lot of its leadership because they were communists during the red scare

afl-cio sucks is what i'm trying to say

The purge the left bylaws are still on their books too. AFL is probably the shittiest major union to work with on anything when doing street level activism.

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011


It is hilarious that a bunch of centrists would sing a socialist song

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Iron Twinkie posted:

Looks like they've already changed their picture after everyone in the comments was rightly making GBS threads on them for being complete loving ghouls.

It's a purple Omega now.

Liberal Omegamen, #Resistance

byob historian
Nov 5, 2008

I'm an animal abusing piece of shit! I deliberately poisoned my dog to death and think it's funny! I'm an irredeemable sack of human shit!

KomradeX posted:

It is hilarious that a bunch of centrists would sing a socialist song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ731aR_SBY

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

And its "go boys go"
They'll time your every breath
And every day in this place
You're two days nearer death
But you go

Bear Retrieval Unit
Nov 5, 2009

Mudslide Experiment

I agree, they should stay the gently caress away.

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010
https://twitter.com/hams_hamn_hams/status/897513459860025344

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

-ка is a russian diminutive suffix, Trumka is obviously a Russian clone of Trump

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

-ка is a russian diminutive suffix, Trumka is obviously a Russian clone of Trump

#TheResistance

ThndrShk2k
Nov 3, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Bread Liar
Say what you want about the southern economy/large business interests being against regulations that would cripple their industry (built on the backs of exploited workers), at least Hillary didn't own slaves!

...

Oh, wait.

Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

Cool, :biotruths: are used by both sides :thumbsup:

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

https://twitter.com/MurderBryan/status/897527005230637058

https://twitter.com/MurderBryan/status/897528187793555456

call to action
Jun 10, 2016

by FactsAreUseless
how do you know when you win the battle against racism

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool

call to action posted:

how do you know when you win the battle against racism

the oligarch class is equally diverse as the general population

Lindsey O. Graham
Dec 31, 2016

"We're not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term."

- The Chief

Jazerus posted:

george mcgovern's loss destroyed the democratic party's belief that ambitious plans would win votes. the reagan & clinton eras solidified this and created a huge number of dems that fundamentally do not understand that flimsy defense of the status quo was not supposed to be a permanent plan but a temporary holding pattern to wait out the conservative wave. so, now, in a time when mcgovern would win handily, they don't understand that this is the moment for decisive reform, the swing of the pendulum back their way after 45 years that the mid-century dems could only hope would happen eventually

the best take
hands down

Lindsey O. Graham
Dec 31, 2016

"We're not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term."

- The Chief

Lastgirl posted:

Centrists should just stick to numbers crunching and tweaking policies and not public service because they'll never be able to capture the public space, like ever so they should just put a sock in it and only speak up when there's a budgetary flaw that can be remedied because they don't do vision, they do numbers. Without vision they just go in circles, like they have. They need to be restructured in the party where they aren't visionaries because they literally have none.

Flaw of democracy and all when they're in charge and then decide to follow the bible of the numbers for some o that fiscal conservatism to get some of that bipartisanship going but without the realization that they're just secret republicans who believe in the value of hard work. They really truly believe that hard work will set you free~ :smugmrgw: It's just that, dude.... the game is rigged, so all that hard work you're espousing to value? You're just being screwed over for it eventually, you just think you're untouchable now because of that unwavering dogmatic adherence to that, which granted you the perceived wealth and power afforded now because you were able to capitalize on it literally before the pie tray was nothing but crumbs and left over for the rest of the American people. But even the illusion is evaporating pretty fast in the face of blatant fascism.

What's really damning is that they espouse the value of hard work but are willing to get easy as gently caress money from the donor class so they're full of poo poo. I've truly have seen banality and inanity personified.

nope, i was wrong
this is solidly the best take
:iceburn:

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012
holy poo poo south carolina going after purdue pharma for the opiod epidemic, something more states afflicted by the crisis should be doing. these fuckers are the ones that pushed the hell out of oxycotin in the 90s, spending tons on lobbying and advertising, lied about their product's risks, and treated it more like aspirin than the narcotic it is.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/south-carolina-sues-drug-manufacturer-opioid-crisis-49230961

maybe if bad dems werent so busy sucking off the pharma lobbying teat they would have thought to do this years ago.

Yudo
May 15, 2003

Serf posted:

didn't gun sales take a dip after the election

It's hard to say exactly but in short yes, they have taken a hit. For example: Ruger, a publicly traded gun maker, is going to miss their earnings expectations by a lot and their stock price is suffering.

Notorious R.I.M.
Jan 27, 2004

up to my ass in alligators

Darkman Fanpage posted:

holy poo poo south carolina going after purdue pharma for the opiod epidemic, something more states afflicted by the crisis should be doing. these fuckers are the ones that pushed the hell out of oxycotin in the 90s, spending tons on lobbying and advertising, lied about their product's risks, and treated it more like aspirin than the narcotic it is.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/south-carolina-sues-drug-manufacturer-opioid-crisis-49230961

maybe if bad dems werent so busy sucking off the pharma lobbying teat they would have thought to do this years ago.

:getin:

byob historian
Nov 5, 2008

I'm an animal abusing piece of shit! I deliberately poisoned my dog to death and think it's funny! I'm an irredeemable sack of human shit!

Lindsey O. Graham posted:

the best take
hands down

ofc u think that u big beutiful bourgeois boy

byob historian
Nov 5, 2008

I'm an animal abusing piece of shit! I deliberately poisoned my dog to death and think it's funny! I'm an irredeemable sack of human shit!
not that jazerus is wrong here at all just that even the dems who werent the centrist dems within the party were always centrist shills by virtue of being dems

andrew jacksons party was never gonna lead the revolution

Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

call to action posted:

how do you know when you win the battle against racism

When the War on Drugs is over and both W. and Obama are in prison for human rights abuses hth.

byob historian
Nov 5, 2008

I'm an animal abusing piece of shit! I deliberately poisoned my dog to death and think it's funny! I'm an irredeemable sack of human shit!

Darkman Fanpage posted:

holy poo poo south carolina going after purdue pharma for the opiod epidemic, something more states afflicted by the crisis should be doing. these fuckers are the ones that pushed the hell out of oxycotin in the 90s, spending tons on lobbying and advertising, lied about their product's risks, and treated it more like aspirin than the narcotic it is.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/south-carolina-sues-drug-manufacturer-opioid-crisis-49230961

maybe if bad dems werent so busy sucking off the pharma lobbying teat they would have thought to do this years ago.

wtf they gon sue lil wyte nex?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNT4lqSMpPw

byob historian
Nov 5, 2008

I'm an animal abusing piece of shit! I deliberately poisoned my dog to death and think it's funny! I'm an irredeemable sack of human shit!

Frijolero posted:

When the War on Drugs is over and both W. and Obama are in prison for human rights abuses hth.

the war on drugs wont be over til the drugs win

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013


DJ Smokey has a lot to answer for.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1woeZ3Z2dcc

ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007
tbqh i still dont fully understand the reflexive hate centrists and dems in general have for SP/MCA reform. It alogns perfectly with stated platform goals (https://www.democrats.org), its hugely popular among the base, and yet democrats still do everything they can to quash its discussion and attempts to implement it (Vermont, Colorado, California).

i know the simple answer is "$texasdonor" but god drat is it really that simple? are dems really that craven to engorge themselves on hilldawgs "public position private position" bullshit, like when gephardt let the kayfabe slip for a sec?

dems have simply profoundly disappointed me with their utter lack of forward thi king on healthcare in this country.

#1 reason why my litmus test for supporting a dem is "do you have a stated goal of enacting a single payer or medicare for all healthcare system?" if a dem answers "no" anymore, they can gently caress off into the trash bin

ex post facho has issued a correction as of 20:17 on Aug 15, 2017

byob historian
Nov 5, 2008

I'm an animal abusing piece of shit! I deliberately poisoned my dog to death and think it's funny! I'm an irredeemable sack of human shit!

yeah thats always a fun tune to remix they did a good jeb!

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012
the pharmaceutical industry is THE biggest spender on lobbying in the united states and these fuckers have gotten away with murder the way they push narcotics onto the public. they incentivized doctors to prescribe their painkillers and got entire portions of the united states hooked on opiods, an incredibly difficult chemical compound to kick the habit of once you become addicted to it. dems and republicans are both complicit in this failure of government to stem the excesses of capitalism and outright blind greed. continue marginalizing people that are afflicted by this devastating epidemic, centrists, but this is a scourge that crosses all classe and race lines.

byob historian
Nov 5, 2008

I'm an animal abusing piece of shit! I deliberately poisoned my dog to death and think it's funny! I'm an irredeemable sack of human shit!

ex post facho posted:

tbqh i still dont fully understand the reflexive hate centrists and dems in general have for SP/MCA reform. It alogns perfectly with stated platform goals (https://www.democrats.org), its hugely popular among the base, and yet democrats still do everything they can to quash its discussion and attempts to implement it (Vermont, Colorado, California).

i know the simple answer is "$texasdonor" but god drat is it really that simple? are dems really that craven to engorge themselves on hilldawgs "public position private position" bullshit, like when gephardt let the kayfabe slip for a sec?

dems have simply profoundly disappointed me with their utter lack of forward thi king on healthcare in this country.
dems are one wing of the party of capital they are not the party of working people

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



call to action posted:

how do you know when you win the battle against racism

when danarys targaeryn wins the game of thrones

byob historian
Nov 5, 2008

I'm an animal abusing piece of shit! I deliberately poisoned my dog to death and think it's funny! I'm an irredeemable sack of human shit!
being "not nazis" is enough for the nazis to win

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012
https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/top.php?indexType=i

N A T I O N A L I Z E T H E P H A R M A C E U T I C A L I N D U S T R Y

Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 5 hours!

Darkman Fanpage posted:

holy poo poo south carolina going after purdue pharma for the opiod epidemic, something more states afflicted by the crisis should be doing. these fuckers are the ones that pushed the hell out of oxycotin in the 90s, spending tons on lobbying and advertising, lied about their product's risks, and treated it more like aspirin than the narcotic it is.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/south-carolina-sues-drug-manufacturer-opioid-crisis-49230961

maybe if bad dems werent so busy sucking off the pharma lobbying teat they would have thought to do this years ago.

The dems are supposed to be the platform for railing against this type of stuff and the fact that people aren't in the streets protesting these companies that are literally, provably killing thousands for their bottom line is one of the worst indictments against them and they all need to be replaced.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Yudo
May 15, 2003

Darkman Fanpage posted:

holy poo poo south carolina going after purdue pharma for the opiod epidemic, something more states afflicted by the crisis should be doing. these fuckers are the ones that pushed the hell out of oxycotin in the 90s, spending tons on lobbying and advertising, lied about their product's risks, and treated it more like aspirin than the narcotic it is.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/south-carolina-sues-drug-manufacturer-opioid-crisis-49230961

maybe if bad dems werent so busy sucking off the pharma lobbying teat they would have thought to do this years ago.

The FDA approved their single entity (i.e. not mixed with acetaminophen like percocet) with the caveat that it only be marketed and used for cancer and surgical pain management. Purdue immediately ignored the FDA, billed oxy as a miracle drug for pain and did their darnedest to minimized it's addictive potential. E.g.:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er78Dj5hyeI

From https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2622774/

quote:

From 1996 to 2001, Purdue conducted more than 40 national pain-management and speaker-training conferences at resorts in Florida, Arizona, and California. More than 5000 physicians, pharmacists, and nurses attended these all-expenses-paid symposia, where they were recruited and trained for Purdue's national speaker bureau.19(p22) It is well documented that this type of pharmaceutical company symposium influences physicians’ prescribing, even though the physicians who attend such symposia believe that such enticements do not alter their prescribing patterns.20

One of the critical foundations of Purdue's marketing plan for OxyContin was to target the physicians who were the highest prescribers for opioids across the country...A lucrative bonus system encouraged sales representatives to increase sales of OxyContin in their territories, resulting in a large number of visits to physicians with high rates of opioid prescriptions, as well as a multifaceted information campaign aimed at them.

...Purdue “aggressively” promoted the use of opioids for use in the “non-malignant pain market.”15(p187) A much larger market than that for cancer-related pain, the non–cancer-related pain market constituted 86% of the total opioid market in 1999.17 Purdue's promotion of OxyContin for the treatment of non–cancer-related pain contributed to a nearly tenfold increase in OxyContin prescriptions for this type of pain, from about 670 000 in 1997 to about 6.2 million in 2002, whereas prescriptions for cancer-related pain increased about fourfold during that same period.19 Although the science and consensus for the use of opioids in the treatment of acute pain or pain associated with cancer are robust, there is still much controversy in medicine about the use of opioids for chronic non–cancer-related pain, where their risks and benefits are much less clear.

...A consistent feature in the promotion and marketing of OxyContin was a systematic effort to minimize the risk of addiction in the use of opioids for the treatment of chronic non–cancer-related pain...Purdue trained its sales representatives to carry the message that the risk of addiction was “less than one percent.”

  • Locked thread