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coyo7e posted:Actually, that's probably true. the man owned slaves and thought slavery was good for blacks. even if he wasn't super pro slavery he would have been 100% fine with the idea blacks were inferior to whites.
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CommieGIR posted:That doesn't make it factually incorrect, just maybe misleading. What percentage of Civil War monuments are about the Confederacy is a better question? sorry bro, it's factually incorrect CommieGIR posted:Both the article and the Database you linked highlight that they are specifically focused on Civil War monuments. yes, civil war markers, north and south. literally just a sign that says "a thing happened here". you can't easily distinguish between the two and it's bigly disingenous to say "these are confederate memorials" Fitzy Fitz posted:The densest concentration of markers on the map is along Sherman's route into Georgia, heading toward Atlanta. It's definitely more complex than just "here's a map of racist statues." and this is because in the 1950's georgia put up a shitload of these markers. they're all over atlanta and they're often like "so and so and his brigade attacked such and such's troops here on july 15 1864" boner confessor fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Aug 15, 2017 |
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coyo7e posted:Actually, that's probably true. http://www.post-gazette.com/news/state/2013/06/30/Confederates-slave-hunt-in-North-a-military-disgrace/stories/201306300221
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:There is no good outcome here. The Democratic candidate is a dark horse African American named Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who nobody had heard of before this cycle. the democrats absolutely believe that moore is the best chance they have to get an upset victory, he has a strong base of support but by far the lowest ceiling of any of them
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axeil posted:Who should we root for if we want an improbable Dem pickup? I.e., who is the weakest candidate? As usual, FiveThirtyEight has a good rundown. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-to-watch-for-in-tonights-alabama-senate-primaries/
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boner confessor posted:sorry bro, it's factually incorrect https://www.splcenter.org/sites/default/files/whoseheritage_splc.pdf 
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marshmonkey posted:https://twitter.com/Susan_Hennessey/status/897517488174489600 Fucis: uAW!
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yes this chart has nothing to do with the map posted and even if it did you wouldn't be using it correctly. i even linked the source slate article just for you, you can read it yourself and discover on your own terms how the tweet misrepresents the article it cites please realize here that you are completely wrong in defending this bad tweet and the more you dig in your heels the more embarassing it becomes for you
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coyo7e posted:Actually, that's probably true. Just to clarify: He inherited his father-in-law's slaves. The FiL's written will stated that his slaves should be freed at the time of his death, but Lee went to court to keep them enslaved.
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moostaffa posted:I feel like I should repeat some quotes about this guy, because he is scary as gently caress, and not at a larper like the 4chan wehraboos:
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According to my state capitol's scheduling board we have a "Rally Against Political Violence", which is the same name as the rally by all the weirdo internet trolls. But I can't find any information about it anywhere else. Organizing is hard.
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boner confessor posted:yes this chart has nothing to do with the map posted and even if it did you wouldn't be using it correctly. i even linked the source slate article just for you, you can read it yourself and discover on your own terms how the tweet misrepresents the article it cites Whatever dude.
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evilweasel posted:Moore, who is expected to place first. The question is if he can get to 50%, and if not, if Brooks or Strange place second. Well poo poo  So hope is a lie in Alabama then?
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robert lee owned slaves and betrayed his country to fight a treasonous war to preserve slavery, he was Not One Of The Good Ones
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Prester Jane posted:Ohio has a massive loving cultural problem that is the result of a complicated set of interwoven circumstances. To simplify greatly Ohio cities all grew into one trick ponies that all serviced a particular industry and almost nothing else (Youngstown did Steel, Akron/Barberton did Rubber, Toledo did glass, etc etc. The jobs that resulted from this were largely the sort of manufacturing jobs that make it nearly impossible to be involved in any practical level with your family, leading to the average Ohio parent having little involvement with their children/families lives. (When these industries collapsed nothing rose to replace them except despair.) As an Ohioan (originally from and living in Youngstown no less) this is a pretty good rundown.
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GWBBQ posted:Follow It's Going Down, IWW, and a few Antifa groups on social media and you'll get plenty of info. Watch out for Antifa groups, a lot are alt-right honeypots, I've listed a few below that are legit evilweasel posted:robert lee owned slaves and betrayed his country to fight a treasonous war to preserve slavery, he was Not One Of The Good Ones
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evilweasel posted:robert lee owned slaves and betrayed his country to fight a treasonous war to preserve slavery, he was Not One Of The Good Ones He also openly allowed his troops to claim both escaped slaves and non-slave black families to send back to the Confederacy. He was as much a Confederate as the rest of them.
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coyo7e posted:Actually, that's probably true. The myth of Robert e Lee is the way the grey coats kept their racist heritage alive gently caress him
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As an Ohioan- Cincinnati, Columbus, and Cleveland are doing alright.
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empty whippet box posted:What's the result we're hoping for with this primary exactly? Write in vote for "disband the party"?
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Lee also had his army kidnap free Blacks and shipped them down South when he invaded the North.
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CommieGIR posted:Whatever dude. i realize admitting you're wrong is difficult but it's better to just not post than keep trying to dig yourself out of a hole the tweet is bad and misrepresents the both the article it's based on and the data underlying that article. i provided you with both of those things. i can't force you to learn even after i provide you with the means to do so
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axeil posted:Well poo poo I mean, it's pretty likely that the good candidate managed to get his name out there enough to beat the random guy with a misleading name. And if he didn't I dunno how good a candidate he actually would have been. And there could easily be a runoff between the two of them which would help with the name recognition problem as well.
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evilweasel posted:the democrats absolutely believe that moore is the best chance they have to get an upset victory, he has a strong base of support but by far the lowest ceiling of any of them Yeah they think that but we just saw how well that works. It's gonna end up Moore vs. Kennedy and Moore will win when Kennedy self sabotages or drops out.
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coyo7e posted:Seriously, as I said before, calm the gently caress down. shut up idiot
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the black husserl posted:The dump trucks are there to prevent a car bombing and I'm really glad of it, cause it would really be lovely if a car bomb went off in NYC.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah they think that but we just saw how well that works. It's gonna end up Moore vs. Kennedy and Moore will win when Kennedy self sabotages or drops out. Moore will be defeated by surprise third party last minute entry chaos reigns fox.
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boner confessor posted:i can't force you to learn even after i provide you with the means to do so Kindly gently caress off Boner Confessor. Regardless of the issues with the tweet, the overall message was correct: Civil War monuments increased in number as Civil Rights became more of an issue, and especially Confederate ones. The message is correct, if miss-cited: White-Washing the Confederacy and the Civil War was a matter of combating Civil Rights and enforcing a mythos around the Civil War and the South.
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Lote posted:Honestly, I thought that one arm of the swastika was bending over to suck itself. I am bad at parody. The entandres keep multiplying
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah they think that but we just saw how well that works. It's gonna end up Moore vs. Kennedy and Moore will win when Kennedy self sabotages or drops out. If Kennedy wins the Democratic primary then yeah, it's not winnable, but you're acting like it's a forgone conclusion he will win and that poll that had Kennedy in first also had him well below 50%, meaning a runoff - and if turnout is as low as reported you'd expect it would be the democrats turning out who know which candidate is which
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Covok posted:So, is there any sign the backlash is continuing? My main question for asking is that we live in a news cycle that only last so long before being replaced. I'm worried that we might be reaching the end of this particular cycle. My issue with that is this is so hosed up this shouldn't be a cycle. A woman loving died to Nazis and I'm afraid we're reaching that point where centrist and liberals try to pretend that everything's fine and they can not care anymore. That they did their part and they liked that thing on Facebook and racism is over and they can move on to their favorite TV show again. FWIW I think this is very different. Within the context of my work Narrativism is what I call a "Self Replicating Behaviour Pattern", and is one of four such patterns I have recognized and (tried to) describe. It is my contention that human culture exists with a complicated ecosystem of thousands of interacting Self Replicating Behavior Patterns, and I believe the widespread awakening we are currently witnessing to be the result of an as yet unrecognized SRBP. I presently lack any terms or frameworks to describe what is happening because it falls well outside my present body of work, but I am 100% this is not a cycle that will simply fade away. This is the start of something else entirely. What is going on within America right now is somewhat akin to a modern Pearl Harbor in terms of how it is snapping Americans out of their trance and causing them to turn in unison against a serious threat.
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I've lived in rural Ohio for 32 years, AMA. note: I don't know anything, I grew up in rural Ohio.
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Feinne posted:Moore will be defeated by surprise third party last minute entry chaos reigns fox. Seriouspost but Congress should, in an ideal world, refuse to allow Moore to sit. He's been expelled from office twice for ethical reasons. He's not fit to to serve.
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evilweasel posted:If Kennedy wins the Democratic primary then yeah, it's not winnable, but you're acting like it's a forgone conclusion he will win and that poll that had Kennedy in first also had him well below 50%, meaning a runoff - and if turnout is as low as reported you'd expect it would be the democrats turning out who know which candidate is which Let's hope. I get very cynical about this sort of thing ever since there was all that mathematical analysis that showed there was almost certainly vote tampering in the Alvin Greene election.
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evilweasel posted:If Kennedy wins the Democratic primary then yeah, it's not winnable, but you're acting like it's a forgone conclusion he will win and that poll that had Kennedy in first also had him well below 50%, meaning a runoff - and if turnout is as low as reported you'd expect it would be the democrats turning out who know which candidate is which The 538 article also pointed out that the actual dude with experience is now polling ahead.
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Furnaceface posted:Yeah but the current bunch of racist assholes is mostly average to well educated white males, not the poor ones. Im just trying to remember that quote about education being one of the best ways to combat ignorance and figure out why its so wrong this time. Because education isn't just math, science* and reading. Education is about indoctrination, good or bad. Texas Republicans famously explicitly opposed teaching critical thinking skills because it might make kids question what their parents tell them. You can get AP English, AP Chemistry and AP American History in high school and still be indoctrinated in a conservative worldview. I remember my AP Government teacher making us learn about the "Gray Panthers" while only teaching us about the Black Panthers as a racist terrorist group. I remember getting a 0 on a persuasive paper because I argued for socialism and the only justification given was "the paper had no voice." This was in a public school in one of the more liberal metropolitan areas in the country. So why are we seeing so many middle class white racists act out now? They've always been there, but they've also been taught by their schools, their churches, their families and their community that they deserve so much from the world. They learned that any successes of theirs are because of their goodness as a person and any failures are because a lesser person took it from them. As the idiotic** saying goes, "you're either a shark or a fish" and they all want to be sharks because if they're not sharks than The Other will be the shark instead. *excludes teaching actual biology, physics or any science that might disagree with evangelical beliefs. **Yes, sharks are fish. See what I said about not teaching actual biology.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Seriouspost but Congress should, in an ideal world, refuse to allow Moore to sit. He's been expelled from office twice for ethical reasons. He's not fit to to serve. The general precedent for this sort of thing is that felons and other people are allowed to take their seat if their conviction happened before the vote: the voters knew what they were electing and elected him anyway. But someone who commits a crime in office (or has it disclosed in office) is expelled. I think that's a sensible way to approach it, and it would strongly suggest Moore be allowed to take his seat (not least: he's not being elected to a judgeship again and the reasons he was expelled from the judiciary twice do not translate as disqualifications for legislators).
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Seriouspost but Congress should, in an ideal world, refuse to allow Moore to sit. He's been expelled from office twice for ethical reasons. He's not fit to to serve.  They sat the guy who body slammed a reporter
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Mahoning posted:As an Ohioan (originally from and living in Youngstown no less) this is a pretty good rundown. As an Ohioan with ties in Youngstown who now lives in Detroit... sigh... yeah it is.
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Dietrich posted:As an Ohioan- Cincinnati, Columbus, and Cleveland are doing alright. And the rest of it is a desolate wasteland from what I've seen in the few times a year I have to leave Columbus.
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