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Constant posted:Is everbody cool with this statue of Lenin in Seattle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Lenin,_Seattle ? As someone not far from it I'm ok with it because it's not taken very seriously by anyone, it's just public art: quote:A glowing red star and sometimes Christmas lights have been added to the statue for Christmas since 2004.[11] For the 2004 Solstice Parade, the statue was made to look like John Lennon. During Gay Pride Week, the statue is dressed in drag. Other appropriations of the statue have included painting it as a clown, painting the hands blood-red, and clothing it in a custom-fitted red dress by the Seattle Hash House Harriers for their annual Red Dress Run
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Blue Footed Booby posted:I'd add in a "...who actually wants sex" qualifier in there, but yeah basically. He said "can't", not "doesn't".
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theflyingorc posted:I mean...there are a lot of them yeah there are a lot of them, partly because in one case a state government took a deep interest in state history and started planting them all over the place. a large number of them were specifically about the civil war because that was the most significant event in state history but still you have plenty of others that have nothing to do with the war this is a case where overzealous goons are actually arguing for the whitewashing of history instead of the removal of memorials to white supremacy Krispy Kareem posted:I think the point that needs to be stressed is these markers mark actual spots where stuff happened. yeah i've been saying that for pages now but it just makes me a racist, unfortunately boner confessor fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Aug 15, 2017 |
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boner confessor posted:no we definitely need to tear down all the markers because they are racist I think the point that needs to be stressed is these markers mark actual spots where stuff happened. That's a far cry from sticking a monument to a Confederate general in front of a courthouse which implies tact government approval of what he stood for. Or even a school named after a rebel. My kid played a basketball game against an all-Black team from Toombs high school, which is named after the CSA Secretary of State. That's inappropriate and wildly ironic and needs to be changed. But it's not the same thing as markers showing battle locations.
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HappyHippo posted:I assume there's a lot of overlap. The thing about these guys is that a large percentage of them are basically losers. They're failures - socially, academically, professionally, romantically. That makes them very susceptible to ideologies which tell them they're superior just for being white or a man. They get to be better than other people, and best of all it can't be taken away - you can't fail at being white, or a man, which is good for them because they aren't very good at succeeding at things. So there's probably a lot of overlap there. Glad I'm only a failure in two of those things, otherwise I might have turned out incel alt-right.
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Mahoning posted:This is true as well. All 3 cities have growing young (Millenial) populations. The same can't be said for the rest of the state. In fact, all of the progressive young minds flee Ohio as soon as they graduate HS or from tOSU. So the only young people left are surrounded by disaffected old people that drone on and on about how much better it was growing up in the 60's and 70's and everyone was guaranteed a job at the mill whenever they wanted. After the Republican wave in 2010 I told friends of mine that the long term plan the Kochs and other major GOP donors have to turn these swing states red was to make them absolutely inhospitable to the left so that they'd experiences brain drain and then you can repeal regulations to attract businesses who will attract low-skill, uneducated workers to the state who will vote, they hope, Republican. Looks like it's working.
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Huzanko posted:After the Republican wave in 2010 I told friends of mine that the long term plan the Kochs and other major GOP donors have to turn these swing states red was to make them absolutely inhospitable to the left so that they'd experiences brain drain and then you can repeal regulations to attract businesses who will attract low-skill, uneducated workers to the state who will vote, they hope, Republican. Looks like it's working. Ohio went Republican by 8 points when previously it was "the state to watch" for previous elections (well, there and Florida). I'm worried Ohio is lost for a generation.
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DreamShipWrecked posted:After the Boston bombing Reddit went on the prowl and identified one of the bombers. A day later the guy's corpse washed up out of the river. That guy killed himself before the bombing.
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Furnaceface posted:Yeah but the current bunch of racist assholes is mostly average to well educated white males, not the poor ones. Im just trying to remember that quote about education being one of the best ways to combat ignorance and figure out why its so wrong this time. Education works for the most part. Most Trump voters were poorly educated, on average, per 538: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/education-not-income-predicted-who-would-vote-for-trump/
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boner confessor posted:yes i know i am making fun of posters itt who think there are thousands and thousands of confederate memorials across the south because they can't read a simple article Historical points of interests such as battlefields, or structures such as the house were Lee surrendered need to stay and be preserved. They are important footnotes in American history, so long as the full historical context is given, and do not exists solely to glorify the south. If you have ever been to Monticello (which is right next to Charlottesville) they did a masterful job of this. They preserved the building and explain Jefferson as the complicated man he was (including his scientific discoveries and many literary works), however they also placed strong emphasis (and did a great job re-creating) the living conditions of his many slaves, the harsh work and conditions they faced, ect. I remember one person asked the park ranger "Yea but I heard Jefferson was a nice slave owner!" to which the ranger masterfully responded "Ma'am, there was no such thing as a nice slave owner".
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Boner confessor, you are aware most of the Civil War memorials appeared during the rise of the Second Klu Klux Klan and again in the late 50s/early 60s as a reaction to anti-black and anti-immigrant sentiments, right?
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Red Baron posted:I wonder what, if any, overlap there is between hardcore white supremacy people and these people is, especially among all those younger, white males. a lot are garbage people who are on the low end of society's totem pole and want someone to blame or want someone to be inferior so they're on top by default so yeah i assume a lot of overlap
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Dmitri-9 posted:That guy killed himself before the bombing.
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Oh poo poo double post. Have a link instead. https://www.splcenter.org/20160421/whose-heritage-public-symbols-confederacy StrangersInTheNight fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Aug 15, 2017 |
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Solaris 2.0 posted:Historical points of interests such as battlefields, or structures such as the house were Lee surrendered need to stay and be preserved. we're not necessarily even talking about structures or battlefields. the map of "confederate memorials" is literally just a map of historical signs that talk about events that took place near where the sign is posted. if we assume that all of these things secretly glorify the confederacy then we're actually blaming historians for engaging in the practice of history and erecting markers in order to connect history to the landscape, which is just flatly anti-academic. it's equivalent to saying that acknowledging history itself is acknowledging the confederacy and therefore racist StrangersInTheNight posted:Boner confessor, you do realize the majority of these monuments were erected in two waves, the first during the rise of the Second Ku Klu Klan in the 10s just before WWI, and then again in the late 50s/60s during the Civil Rights Movement. you do realize i'm talking about historical markers and not monuments? my posts are in this thread you can easily read them and figure out what i'm talking about instead of just making up an argument and pretending that i said it. i was responding to a bad tweet in which a man falsely claimed that this is a "confederate memorial" 
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Right wing terrorism, for when the only thing that goes up anymore is your arm
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FizFashizzle posted:Alright, I want to talk about what i call the Moral Imperative of Doxx'ing Nazis. Just to repost and add to this: Due to automation, climate change, and the disintegration of social services, there will be a lot more people with nothing to lose out there for the fascists to appeal to, if it's not smothered now.
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coyo7e posted:Maddow had an interesting bit last night about the number of armed robberies and poo poo that white supremacists have committed in the last couple/few decades. It's kind of astounding how much poo poo they do, and how little most of the authorities seem to really respond. Its almost like in the "wild" west days of how a crook in one territory took their ill gotten gains and became a lawman in another. Funny that.
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Blue Footed Booby posted:I'd add in a "...who actually wants sex" qualifier in there, but yeah basically. Agreed, although I thought I had that one covered in the "can't get laid" point, versus "doesn't have sex". People like priests or who just don't dig sex with women have an easy out. But if you so want to do that basic an act with another person but can't get any takers, something is seriously wrong. It also doesn't help that these guys externalize the problem, versus internalizing it and understanding that they are the issue. Just like all the standard MRA types who are convinced there are a bunch of alpha males soaking up all the sex. I'd prefer we train these young men from a young age to not have the over-inflated sense of self-worth that they do, but it seems a little late for that at the moment.
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*edit* sorry I didn't see you responded to someone else. But I will say that Points of Interest signs explaining areas where important events of American history happened (both good and bad) are important, and should be expanded upon.
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Forgall posted:They internet detectived the wrong guy after Boston Marathon bombing and hounded him to the point he killed himself. They got the wrong guy for sure and that whole thing was super hosed, but he killed himself prior to the internet detective dumbshits saying it was him. One of their key pieces of evidence was that the guy was missing a day or two prior to the bombing, so in their warped logic, it meant he was clearly involved.
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Chilichimp posted:Yeah, there's gotta be a line between a memorial and a monument. Of course, you are also not from a country which Lenin invaded or from a place where his secret police engaged in mass murder. Edit: err, this was supposed to be in reply to "Lenin in Seattle" thing. OddObserver fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Aug 15, 2017 |
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El Gallinero Gros posted:I await the alt-right Weird Al with great anticipation Ray Stevens took up that mantle a while ago: Here's his opus about voter fraud: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUEqh07E4dY His take on Obama (okay, one of many): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFaCytKXOSQ His take on climate science: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORyzsMZPPUg There's a bunch buried in his channel. Kinda sad mister "Everything is Beautiful" took that path.
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Mahoning posted:This is true as well. All 3 cities have growing young (Millenial) populations. The same can't be said for the rest of the state. In fact, all of the progressive young minds flee Ohio as soon as they graduate HS or from tOSU. So the only young people left are surrounded by disaffected old people that drone on and on about how much better it was growing up in the 60's and 70's and everyone was guaranteed a job at the mill whenever they wanted. Columbus is actually really good at retaining OSU students. I think at least 2/3 of the people I knew at OSU stayed here, because there were jobs available immediately. theflyingorc posted:Ohio went Republican by 8 points when previously it was "the state to watch" for previous elections (well, there and Florida). The pedulum will be swung back as the rural areas are going to be decimated by fetanyl overdoses while more millennials move to the 3 cities for work. As soon as baby boomers start dying, Republicans will absolutely get hosed by demographics in Ohio.
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boner confessor posted:you do realize i'm talking about historical markers and not monuments? my posts are in this thread you can easily read them and figure out what i'm talking about instead of just making up an argument and pretending that i said it Who is talking about getting rid of the markers? So far I've only seen discussion about the statues themselves from public places, mostly because they honor an imaginary past crafted by previous generations of fascists as a marketing tactic, creating a victimized and honorable South that never actually existed.
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Who is this Hillary Clinton?
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https://twitter.com/costareports/status/897540599535894528 donnie's still real mad
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evilweasel posted:https://twitter.com/costareports/status/897540599535894528 He's such an idiot that he thought his lame white supremacist winking was going to go over well. He really has bought into the lie that he's a great speaker and no one can tell he's bullshitting constantly.
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I don't see how anyone can have a moral problem with shaming and naming Nazis. I guess my problem is that I worry that a bunch of people are going to be misidentified and unjustly persecuted, like that poor guy that got accused incorrectly by Redditors as the Boston Marathon Bomber. Before you go attributing names to faces, you should be pretty sure.
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evilweasel posted:https://twitter.com/costareports/status/897540599535894528 Is he mad about alt-reichers swarming Charlottesville? Heather dying? Nineteen other people being wounded? gently caress no! Donnie's throwing a tantrum because he didn't receive fawning coverage from the media, which, as we all know, is really the most important thing in the loving world! Guillotines aren't good enough. F_Shit_Fitzgerald fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Aug 15, 2017 |
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theflyingorc posted:Ohio went Republican by 8 points when previously it was "the state to watch" for previous elections (well, there and Florida). Its not lost, not by a long shot. But it would be nice if people stopped making GBS threads on anywhere that isn't New York, San Fran, Seattle, Portland, Austin, or any other liberal mecca. All it does is create a bunch of Ohio or Wisconsin natives, safe in their liberal bubble in Seattle, clutching at their pearls on Facebook about how their so disappointed in their home state every time something lovely goes on or the Republicans win another election. What the gently caress did you expect? (They then proceed to poo poo on their home state, which then further perpetuates the problem)
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StrangersInTheNight posted:Who is talking about getting rid of the markers? So far I've only seen discussion about the statues themselves from public places, mostly because they honor an imaginary past crafted by previous generations of fascists as a marketing tactic, creating a victimized and honorable South that never actually existed. nobody is talking about getting rid of them. what i'm talking about is that there are people itt who are confusing a historical marker or point of interest for an actual memorial or monument dedicated to the confederacy. these are two different things with different purposes. i've been in favor of removing confederate memorials itt but since some people can't figure out the difference between a memorial and a marker this became a derail because nuance is toxic apparently it's ok to discuss history and the places all around us where history took place. it's not ok to perpetuate postwar monuments to white supremacy
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Is he mad about alt-reichers swarming Charlottesville? Heather dying? Nineteen other people being wounded? gently caress no! Donnie's throwing a tantrum because he didn't receive fawning coverage from the media! A CNN commenter had him pegged. You look at how he reacts to pretty much everything else and it's over the top bluster but when a nazi kills a protester he can't even pretend to care. It's how you know exactly what side of this he's on and he's such a dumbass he thought he was slick enough to get one by the entire country.
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StrangersInTheNight posted:Bonerconfessor, you are aware most of the Civil War memorials appeared during the rise of the Second Klu Klux Klan and again in the late 50s/early 60s as a reaction to anti-black and anti-immigrant sentiments, right? It was also around the 100 year anniversary of the Civil War. I think you can make a fantastic argument that the state flag changes and many of the monuments in highly visible public places were in response to the Civil Rights movement. But there are also history buffs who want people to know about history. Especially during anniversaries of those occasions since that's when there's usually money to mark those events. There are markers literally in the middle of nowhere. Their purpose is to mark spots of historical significance and the only thing really historical about the South is the Civil War. The Northern states got all the awesome Revolutionary War battles. Of which I'm sure there are markers as well. There's a marker at Andersonville too. I'm pretty sure it doesn't say "Whooowee we starved them Yanks."
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Krispy Kareem posted:I think the point that needs to be stressed is these markers mark actual spots where stuff happened. That's a far cry from sticking a monument to a Confederate general in front of a courthouse which implies tact government approval of what he stood for. Or even a school named after a rebel. My kid played a basketball game against an all-Black team from Toombs high school, which is named after the CSA Secretary of State. That's inappropriate and wildly ironic and needs to be changed. But it's not the same thing as markers showing battle locations. On this point, one of the largest High Schools in Montgomery, Alabama is Jefferson Davis High School, with 98% minority enrollment. As well, there's Lee High School, which has 91% minority enrollment. Oh and Robert E Lee day (celebrated same day as MLK day) and Confederate Memorial Day are still holidays for state employees. 
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evilweasel posted:https://twitter.com/costareports/status/897540599535894528 I want him to get so mad his heart explodes.
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Ooooh gotcha, I saw you make a bad joke about it two pages ago then do a super bad job explaining your position and coming off like you were pro-the side you're arguing against. It seems clear to me most of the thread understands the difference between statues and markers.
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evilweasel posted:https://twitter.com/costareports/status/897540599535894528 Remember when the media was talking about how Kelly would be a moderating influence on Trump?
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