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NeurosisHead posted:So here's a thing that popped up on Reaper's Facebook page. I'm torn. On the one hand, make your beliefs known with your wallet. On the other, I really like Bones. Niiiiice  My favourite bit is when he admits to typing NAZI in all capitals to loltrigger the Jewish person he is talking to.
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Aug 15, 2017 16:00
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moths posted:Can I get some elaboration? Operations director at Reaper is a an alt-right Nazi sympathizer.
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Aug 15, 2017 16:03
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If that Facebook screencap is right, he has been at Reaper for 13 years. Its unlikely he has been there that long and kept this aspect of his beliefs quiet. They undoubtedly are aware and don't care.
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Aug 15, 2017 16:05
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Atlas Hugged posted:Operations director at Reaper is a an alt-right Nazi sympathizer. And he's the kind with the sort of laissez faire "man it's not like Nazi even means anything anymore, I'm just trolling anyway it's fun chill out those BLM folks are the real hate group" attitude. Just a good 'ol Texas boy. 
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Aug 15, 2017 16:08
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Judging by Reaper's Facebook page though, it's only going to benefit their sales. It's sad to be reminded of what kind of people I share this hobby with sometimes.
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Aug 15, 2017 16:11
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Weird, imgur only loaded the first image. I couldn't figure out what being in a band had to do with anything. Thanks.
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Aug 15, 2017 16:15
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NeurosisHead posted:Judging by Reaper's Facebook page though, it's only going to benefit their sales. It's sad to be reminded of what kind of people I share this hobby with sometimes. It's full of Americans, so it's basically wall to wall pro-NAZI and white supremacy Reaper Miniatures 6-time creator 13 minutes ago @Phil - the opinions of any single employee do not reflect the views and opinions of Reaper Miniatures . We became aware of the incident shortly after it ended and we are investigating Reaper Miniatures 6-time creator 1 minute ago @Anonymous- at present the board of directors, except for me who is monitoring social media, is trying to understand the situation and how best to respond. So kind of this threw everything into a tail spin. NTRabbit fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Aug 15, 2017 |
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Aug 15, 2017 16:27
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Reaper's Director of Operations is alt-right? Now we know why the ROW got hosed on shipping. 
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Aug 15, 2017 16:34
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Making America Great Again
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Aug 15, 2017 16:35
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I'm sure they'll be out with the non-apology apology soon and then suggest 'we all move forwards'. Nope.
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Aug 15, 2017 16:51
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I guess now you guys know my twitter but hey, good news! https://twitter.com/reapermini/status/897477291474903040
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Aug 15, 2017 16:59
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evenworse username posted:I'm sure they'll be out with the non-apology apology soon and then suggest 'we all move forwards'. Possibly (probably), but at least they are being kind of up front about it: "at present the board of directors, except for me who is monitoring social media, is trying to understand the situation and how best to respond. So kind of this threw everything into a tail spin." "we became aware of the incident after the conversation ended, and the board of directors are investigating. Please understand that the opinions expressed do not reflect the views and opinions of reaper miniatures, nor of me personally." I'm not calling for Matthew Paul Clark's job. But if he was my employee and potentially negatively impacted my multi-million dollar project by acting like an ignorant good ol' boy on social media, I might think really hard about what his future with the company was. Though it is Texas, so I'm not as sold on "Please understand that the opinions expressed do not reflect the views and opinions of reaper miniatures" as I might be if it wasn't Texas (sorry Texas goons).
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Aug 15, 2017 17:00
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Reaper Miniatures 6-time creator 5 minutes ago @Jordan - the board is meeting downstairs from me, and I've proxied my vote, but they have told me that they will be issuing a statement soon, and I will of course share it here. In the mean time it's getting really messy on facebook
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Aug 15, 2017 17:02
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They're pasting "We became aware of this exchange shortly after it ended and are investigating." in response to everything. That they're voting on something already is pretty interesting. Maybe they will do something
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Aug 15, 2017 17:03
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NTRabbit posted:Reaper Miniatures 6-time creator 5 minutes ago No such thing as bad press right? Do these count as Facebook shares for unlocking the Chibi Minis?
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Aug 15, 2017 17:04
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Indolent Bastard posted:No such thing as bad press right? Nah, people have to share the actual chibi post If they're looking for someone in Public Relations who also isn't a giant alt-righter or nazi sympathiser, I very recently became available
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Aug 15, 2017 17:05
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Indolent Bastard posted:No such thing as bad press right? Only for the Chibi Goebbels.
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Aug 15, 2017 17:06
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TTerrible posted:That they're voting on something already is pretty interesting. Maybe they will do something The vote is to change their name to "Reaper of Special Snowflake Tears".
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Aug 15, 2017 17:12
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NTRabbit posted:Nah, people have to share the actual chibi post Okay but all shipping costs to ROWers in future kickstarters are coming out of your paycheck! Cat Face Joe posted:The vote is to change their name to "Reaper of Special Snowflake Tears". Nah they're voting to declare Sophie as trans, thereby showing how socially aware they are. e: Well maybe not trans, that might be too out there for Texas, but her being a lesbian is on the table.
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Aug 15, 2017 17:14
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I shared that album on their Facebook group and said I couldn't in good conscience buy the bones, yada yada yada. I unfollowed my post because no fuckin' way do I want the notification spam. I now have half a dozen "wants to connect with you on Messenger" notifications from strangers. Super excited to get yelled at by angry bigots on the internet, friends
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Aug 15, 2017 17:17
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NeurosisHead posted:I share that album on their Facebook group and said I couldn't in good conscience buy the bones, yada yada yada. I unfollowed my post because no fuckin' way do I want the notification spam. I now have half a dozen "wants to connect with you on Messenger" notifications from strangers. Super excited to get yelled at by angry bigots on the internet, friends Oh that was you? A couple were getting super annoyed that you just posted and left, like you were supposed to sit around and reply to all their nonsense Also, about the guy  Bad Munki posted:Okay but all shipping costs to ROWers in future kickstarters are coming out of your paycheck! 
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Aug 15, 2017 17:18
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Hey wow 26 posts in the reaper thread they must have released something cool, maybe it was the hut finally...  oh. or nazis. sure.
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Aug 15, 2017 17:25
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The facebook post has been removed They have a statement up: From Ed Pugh, CEO Reaper Miniatures It has come to our attention that one of our employees became involved in a series of controversial posts on social media. We are deeply embarrassed that our company name has been associated with these statements. Reaper’s culture values diversity and equality, and we do not support, condone or agree in any way with the views the employee expressed in that discussion. We are reviewing the matter and taking appropriate action. Best wishes, Ed Pugh, CEO
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Aug 15, 2017 17:32
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I guess now we know why Bones are white.
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Aug 15, 2017 18:22
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Matthew Paul Clark posted:
I can only imagine him fuming about his right to free speech and how all of the SJWs are unfairly ruining his life. In reply on that post Jim Partin posted:
Yup, that's what happened. The "Reds" are to blame. Indolent Bastard fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Aug 15, 2017 |
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Aug 15, 2017 18:23
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quote:I am deeply embarrassed about the things I said on social media last night. What I said was insensitive. I am not a Nazi, and I am not a fascist. I do not agree with national socialists nor do I support any hate groups or their agendas. My words were my own and do not reflect on my friends and colleagues at Reaper Miniatures, and I would not want any anger directed at them. I realize my words hurt and offended people and I truly apologize. 
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Aug 15, 2017 18:25
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What an odd typo: "I am deeply embarrassed about the things I said on social media last night. What I said was insensitive. I am not a Nazi, and I am not a fascist. I do not agree with national socialists nor do I support any hate groups or their agendas. My words were my own and do not reflect on my friends and colleagues at Reaper Miniatures, and I would not want any anger directed at them. I realize my words hurt and offended people and I truly apologize." Why isn't it NAZI, like his phone auto corrects it to (as he claimed)?
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Aug 15, 2017 18:30
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Yeah, uh. I haven't canceled my pledge yet because they haven't given a statement and I was only in for a dollar so far, but I have no problem yanking my dollar (and virtually yanking the larger amount I was eventually going to spend) if they don't resolve this in a satisfactory way. I need Bones minis in my life less than I need to know that I'm not giving my money to people who post Islamophobic memes.
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Aug 15, 2017 18:32
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Come on you fuckers, I finally get into Wave One and now the Alt Right ruins this too.
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Aug 15, 2017 18:46
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Indolent Bastard posted:I can only imagine him fuming about his right to free speech and how all of the SJWs are unfairly ruining his life. There were a lot of cool paint jobs getting posted in the Reaper FB group, but now that I've seen how lovely many of those community members are I've had to leave the group. Like, I've always known that most of the other folks in this hobby were That Kind of white dude, but seeing it in action is pretty repugnant. I'm relatively satisfied with their handling. Their acknowledgement was well worded and came across as a sincere statement. I'm not one to demand the firing of the guy (although I certainly would commend them if they did). I get that office politics, or statutory requirements, or just the indispensability of an employee can preclude terminating them no matter how much you may want to. I probably won't re-pledge though. I'll likely continue buying piecemeal when something strikes my fancy, as I don't feel like the one shithead represents the company values as a whole.
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JerryLee posted:Yeah, uh. I haven't canceled my pledge yet because they haven't given a statement and I was only in for a dollar so far, but I have no problem yanking my dollar (and virtually yanking the larger amount I was eventually going to spend) if they don't resolve this in a satisfactory way. I need Bones minis in my life less than I need to know that I'm not giving my money to people who post Islamophobic memes. That's basically where I'm at. The minis are cool but I don't *need* them, and I'm not giving my money to a company that is happy to have that guy on their team.
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Aug 15, 2017 18:48
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moths posted:Come on you fuckers, I finally get into Wave One and now the Alt Right ruins this too. Yeah. This was the first time I got to follow along with a big kickstarter like this from the beginning and I was really enjoying it up until this point. They had a good prompt response, but no real action yet so far as I can see. The comments on the kickstarter are mostly all "shut up who cares, talk about the minis!" which, I guess, is better than open white power supporters, but no thank you let's not brush this under the rug.
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I'm keeping watch on the KS comments and Reaper's Twitter feed, and what they need to do is post something involving the phrase "future endeavors" if they want to keep my business. Their current level of response might--might--have been adequate in a week where someone hadn't been murdered by Nazis, but in the current atmosphere it's just not enough.
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NeurosisHead posted:There were a lot of cool paint jobs getting posted in the Reaper FB group, but now that I've seen how lovely many of those community members are I've had to leave the group. Like, I've always known that most of the other folks in this hobby were That Kind of white dude, but seeing it in action is pretty repugnant. I'm relatively satisfied with their handling. Their acknowledgement was well worded and came across as a sincere statement. I'm not one to demand the firing of the guy (although I certainly would commend them if they did). I get that office politics, or statutory requirements, or just the indispensability of an employee can preclude terminating them no matter how much you may want to. His supporters continue to "help" his cause on his FB page. Ian Norton posted:Of course he needed to apologize. The SJWs threatened his employer, and his employer threatened him. I'm debating whether or not to cancel my KS pledge because the company won't stand up to these regressive bullies. Jim Partin posted:Ian Norton I am strongly considering the same. This is 'merica, and not just that, but TEXAS. These SJW extortionists should never be appeased. "I can't believe that there might be consequences to being an inflammatory loud mouth in a public forum! I am outraged!" Take it easy lads, you might get called out as thin skinned special snowflakes that can't take the heat. Terry is a very special boy. Terry Strange posted:This is merica....america.my country....my right...social media is just a place where everybody gets a voice...you dont like mine turn the channel...not likely ill be swayed to change my Opinion just because you say so...but all those out there who watch enough cnn and believe thats the truth cant wait to pounce on someones statements or meanings...gettin pretty rediculas Terry Strange posted:Matt theres always someone out there looking ng to twist your meaning to suite their needs... Yup, Terry you are right. If you don't like the bile someone is spewing, don't challenge them, just ignore them. Just like how the Alt-right ignored BLM. "Twist your meaning to suite their needs..." Look at how Matt's words were twisted, just look.  Holy Hanna, the wallpapering going on in the KS comments section is amazing.  -Hey everybody, stop talking about how one of the employees at this company may be a troglodyte and or a Nazi/Nazi sympathizer. Post your wish list of stuff you want to see in this KS!!!!!! -Minis, not Politics!Queue dozens upon dozens of posts of lame wish-listing. The equivalent of shoving fingers into ears and chanting "la-la-la, I want minis I don't care about who makes them, or how, or anything. GIVE ME MINIS!" Edit: Because I'm an 8 year old. 
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Aug 15, 2017 19:26
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Uh-oh. It looks like they may be circling the wagons.Reaper Miniatures posted:@Kaster - the facebook group has had a longstanding policy of miniatures related discussion only. Those posts, whatever value you feel they have, are off topic and violate the rules of the group Reaper Miniatures posted:@Kaster - you must do what you feel is right. And then radio silence on "the issue". Not that I blame them.
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Aug 15, 2017 19:55
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Yeah, I wish I could say that I'm surprised, but I'm just disappointed. Reaper's response was decent, but for many it doesn't go far enough. So instead of addressing that (admittedly minority) group, they fall back to just trying to make the bad noises go away. And as far as business decisions go, that's probably the right one for them. Their market demographic really does largely agree with the lovely, lovely things said by their ops guy. While the company may value diversity and inclusion, their customers read those words and feel attacked and afraid.
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Aug 15, 2017 20:16
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Reaper's administrators have a responsibility to properly document things before they fire someone, to make sure they avoid a wrongful termination lawsuit. That includes being sure of their facts, and probably talking to the company's lawyer. I would give them a couple of days before deciding that they're gonna whitewash the whole thing. They are probably looking at what just happened with Google, and trying to figure out how to get rid of the toxic guy without suffering that kind of publicity. I can't say I blame them. If they're instead trying to figure out how to keep their guy and make the whole thing go away, well, we'll be able to know that for sure given a few days, too.
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Aug 15, 2017 21:04
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Yea, given that this has all blown up on them today I am ok giving them a few days to work out what they are doing. Removing the post is... not great, but I understand why they would do that, and the fact that they haven't otherwise tried to ignore the whole issue and have acknowledged it and the removal buys them some time.
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Leperflesh posted:Reaper's administrators have a responsibility to properly document things before they fire someone, to make sure they avoid a wrongful termination lawsuit. That includes being sure of their facts, and probably talking to the company's lawyer. I would give them a couple of days before deciding that they're gonna whitewash the whole thing. Wrongful termination? This is Texas son, we fire people that like beans (or no beans) in their chili or root for the wrong football team.
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