Trump Thread II: The man make a tweet

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Lightning Knight: Feb 24, 2012; Pray for Answer

Crazy Ted posted:

The problem with Antifa in a nutshell:

They like to punch Neo-Nazis
They like to punch people who fit their assumptions of what a Neo-Nazi should look like

It's like when they went to protest the Milo speech at Berkeley, and then beat up and pepper sprayed someone they thought was a Neo-Nazi, only that person turned out to be a Syrian Muslim refugee, who then ended up fleeing the area out of for his own safety. Or when they burned a limo on Inauguration Day, only it turned out the limo's driver was an Iraqi refugee who was still inside the vehicle when they set it on fire.

These are unambiguously bad things, but also things that could be curtailed with better organization.

In a political moment when actual Nazis are organizing actual street marches in Blackwater cosplay, I can't say I'm sympathetic to the notion that left-wing people should just sit at home and watch on TV. POC and women need to know we aren't gonna stand for this poo poo in our backyards, or what good are we?

Lightning Knight fucked around with this message at 09:09 on Aug 16, 2017

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BrutalistMcDonalds: Oct 4, 2012; Lipstick Apathy

Anti-fascism is too important to be left solely to anarchists. I mean it's not like they copyrighted it.

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Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

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personally i'm very happy with antifa and i hope they punch more nazis and protect more innocent people from nazis

yeah, they make mistakes, but they serve a good cause

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Kilroy: Oct 1, 2000

Mustached Demon posted:

Tell them to loving stop then. All are welcome in crushing the Nazis back into the hole they crawled from.

I don't think all are welcome. Liberals would rather not count socialists as allies, even if that increases the risk of fascism somewhat. They'd rather go it alone on their own terms, than depend on and thus owe something to, leftists.

And that's to the point of undermining antifa whenever they get the chance. They view the victory over fascism as a foregone conclusion, and they want to make sure they're the ones to inherit whatever comes next, and no one else. More than anything, I think their totally unjustified and stupid arrogance makes them lovely allies. We're better off without them.

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BrutalistMcDonalds: Oct 4, 2012; Lipstick Apathy

Well I'll confess: I'm no expert. That being said, the one actual anarchist I've known who was part of these AFA/ARA groups was one tough cookie. You don't have to like everything about radicals to know you need them.

Kilroy posted:

I don't think all are welcome. Liberals would rather not count socialists as allies, even if that increases the risk of fascism somewhat. They'd rather go it alone on their own terms, than depend on and thus owe something to, leftists.

And that's to the point of undermining antifa whenever they get the chance. They view the victory over fascism as a foregone conclusion, and they want to make sure they're the ones to inherit whatever comes next, and no one else. More than anything, I think their totally unjustified and stupid arrogance makes them lovely allies. We're better off without them.

I disagree. Well, they make lovely allies but lovely allies are better than none. Popular front.

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Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

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i'm worried that liberals' ideas of uniting is the same crap they pulled in 2016 where it's their way or the highway

or manchin's giant hissyfit where he refused to represent his constituents and told them to primary him

uniting means compromising, and liberals haven't actually shown they can do that with anyone but republicans

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bird cooch: Jan 19, 2007

Condiv posted:

no one says that antifa should be leading a political ideology. but at the same time you don't have to be an rear end in a top hat about people who are literally fighting fascists

I'm not being an rear end in a top hat. Like I said, fighting Nazis good.

But being attacked from the left constantly over imagined slights is tiresome.

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Crazy Ted: Jul 29, 2003

Lightning Knight posted:

These are unambiguously bad things, but also things that could be curtailed with better organization.

And it needs to be curtailed immediately or else more innocent people will be caught up in violent acts that they had no desire to take part it.

One aspect of protest violence over the last year or so that has gone totally under-reported is the tendency of police departments to be less "Protect and Serve" and more "Stand and Watch While We Hold Each Other's Dicks and Then Arrest Some People After All the Damage is Done". If you go back over the timeline of events in Charlottesville, we were kind of lucky there weren't more multiple-casualty events.

Even at the smaller on-campus protests, you've had people walking around with clubs and bats and pepper spray and other assorted weapons, and they end up in skirmishes and most of the time the cops are on order to basically just stand around and do nothing. You have people getting needlessly hurt, and what is supposed to be a peaceful protest going down the toilet because a small amount of people show up interested in physical conflict.

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Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

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bird cooch posted:

I'm not being an rear end in a top hat. Like I said, fighting Nazis good.

But being attacked from the left constantly over imagined slights is tiresome.

quote:

Antifa on the street is the same gaggle of spirit-finger absoultionists from occupy with some contrarian anarchist thrown in for flavor.

seems pretty assholish to me, especially considering how you guys feel about OWS

and sorry, the slights aren't imagined. if you can't even recognize that then you aren't interested in actually unifying

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Kilroy: Oct 1, 2000

Condiv posted:

i'm worried that liberals' ideas of uniting is the same crap they pulled in 2016 where it's their way or the highway

or manchin's giant hissyfit where he refused to represent his constituents and told them to primary him

uniting means compromising, and liberals haven't actually shown they can do that with anyone but republicans

yep, gently caress em

they'll pretend an alliance with leftists whilst simultaneously working with the fascists to undermine freedom of speech and assembly because "both sides (other than us) are equally bad"

sorry friends, leftists have to defeat fascism and liberals, together, in one go - I'm not sure it's possible but it's the only path to victory

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Crazy Ted: Jul 29, 2003

Lightning Knight posted:

In a political moment when actual Nazis are organizing actual street marches in Blackwater cosplay, I can't say I'm sympathetic to the notion that left-wing people should just sit at home and watch on TV.

Well I didn't say that, now did I? Just, maybe...you know...try to stick to beating the poo poo out of the people who are the actual Nazis if you're going to do that sort of thing.

European Antifa organizations fight actual Fascists. Seemingly way too often the ones in the United States amount to Antifa cosplayers.

Crazy Ted fucked around with this message at 09:21 on Aug 16, 2017

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Sulphagnist: Oct 10, 2006; WARNING! INTRUDERS DETECTED

Condiv posted:

personally i'm very happy with antifa and i hope they punch more nazis and protect more innocent people from nazis

yeah, they make mistakes, but they serve a good cause

It'd be better if we could trust on American law enforcement to protect people from Nazis, but the police are given more latitude for shooting and killing children than antifa are for clobbering nazis.

I can't help but to think that the path we're about to head down has been chosen ahead of time by the US authorities failing to earn the trust and faith of a huge swath of its citizenry. This obviously ties to the white supremacy issue in the first place; but the bottom line is that if the people can't trust the police to protect them, they have to protect themselves.

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Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
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SulphagneSocialist posted:

It'd be better if we could trust on American law enforcement to protect people from Nazis, but the police are given more latitude for shooting and killing children than antifa are for clobbering nazis.

I can't help but to think that the path we're about to head down has been chosen ahead of time by the US authorities failing to earn the trust and faith of a huge swath of its citizenry. This obviously ties to the white supremacy issue in the first place; but the bottom line is that if the people can't trust the police to protect them, they have to protect themselves.

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Majorian: Jul 1, 2009

bird cooch posted:

I'm not being an rear end in a top hat. Like I said, fighting Nazis good.

But being attacked from the left constantly over imagined slights is tiresome.

At risk of sounding like Trump, I think this is definitely a situation where both sides (left and center) are guilty of this. And I do really mean both sides.

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bird cooch: Jan 19, 2007

Condiv posted:

how you guys feel

Yeah?

Majorian posted:

At risk of sounding like Trump, I think this is definitely a situation where both sides (left and center) are guilty of this. And I do really mean both sides.

Center must be huge if it starts at tankies and runs to what? Moderate Republicans? So everyone but the alt right?

Fighting Nazis good, but the rest is just static.

bird cooch fucked around with this message at 09:28 on Aug 16, 2017

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Kilroy: Oct 1, 2000

bird cooch posted:

I'm not being an rear end in a top hat. Like I said, fighting Nazis good.

But being attacked from the left constantly over imagined slights is tiresome.

bird cooch posted:

Antifa on the street is the same gaggle of spirit-finger absoultionists from occupy with some contrarian anarchist thrown in for flavor.

as opposed to actual slights from liberals like yourself

pardon me while I give not a solitary gently caress about your fee-fees, now go figure out how best to strike an agreement with republicans that we can shut down BLM protests if they agree to shut down nazi rallies

do try to act shocked when they murder BLM protesters in the streets with impunity and let nazis run amok - fascists get sexual pleasure from shocking liberals so they might decide to keep you as a pet rather than murdering you

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bird cooch: Jan 19, 2007

Kilroy posted:

as opposed to actual slights from liberals like yourself

pardon me while I give not a solitary gently caress about your fee-fees, now go figure out how best to strike an agreement with republicans that we can shut down BLM protests if they agree to shut down nazi rallies

do try to act shocked when they murder BLM protesters in the streets with impunity and let nazis run amok - fascists get sexual pleasure from shocking liberals so they might decide to keep you as a pet rather than murdering you

You are having a conversation with yourself in the shower. I'm not a strawman.

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Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod

bird cooch posted:

Yeah?

please. are you gonna pretend you like ows after you used them as a pejorative?

quote:

Fighting Nazis good, but the rest is just static.

i mean, it seems p obvious you want to be allies of convenience and then go straight back to centrists calling all the shots and leftism being completely ignored. the left can fight nazis on their own, especially since a lot of centrists already consider us a step away from nazis anyway

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bird cooch: Jan 19, 2007

You especially.

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Cingulate: Oct 23, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Even in the wake of Trump relativizing actual neo-nazis murdering protestors, the leftist spectrum manages to in-fight.

Let us try to find consensus, I am sure there is plenty of common ground.

# ? Aug 16, 2017 09:44

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod

bird cooch posted:

You especially.

calling me a fascist cause i upset you? you definitely were interested in unity

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The Lone Badger: Sep 24, 2007

Has anyone got that poster of Uncle Sam saying "You again? handy?

# ? Aug 16, 2017 09:45

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod

Cingulate posted:

Even in the wake of Trump relativizing actual neo-nazis murdering protestors, the leftist spectrum manages to in-fight.

Let us try to find consensus, I am sure there is plenty of common ground.

centrists aren't interested in finding shared ground. they're interested in being the only ones who get a say and leftists can gently caress off till it's time to vote for generic centrist #305

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bird cooch: Jan 19, 2007

I'm not calling you anything. You seem to be talking to someone else entirely.

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CommissarMega: Nov 18, 2008; THUNDERDOME LOSER

Cingulate posted:

Let us try to find consensus, I am sure there is plenty of common ground.

Let's start with the idea that punching Nazis is a good thing.

# ? Aug 16, 2017 09:47

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod

bird cooch posted:

I'm not calling you anything. You seem to be talking to someone else entirely.

ok well, good talk mr. unity

you sure showed how dedicated you were to that idea

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bird cooch: Jan 19, 2007

CommissarMega posted:

Let's start with the idea that punching Nazis is a good thing.

We tried that.

# ? Aug 16, 2017 09:52

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod

CommissarMega posted:

Let's start with the idea that punching Nazis is a good thing.

it's very good. so is tearing down statues of confederate idiots

also, medicare for all

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BrutalistMcDonalds: Oct 4, 2012; Lipstick Apathy

See, I have to imagine a lot of liberals are involved in doing this:

https://twitter.com/IGD_News/status/897557973110796288

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Cingulate: Oct 23, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Condiv posted:

centrists aren't interested in finding shared ground. they're interested in being the only ones who get a say and leftists can gently caress off till it's time to vote for generic centrist #305

Well, how much would you be willing to tolerate for the sake of organising the opposition?
For starters, it seems to me you'd want appeal to moderate conservative Republicans and to Libertarians.

CommissarMega posted:

Let's start with the idea that punching Nazis is a good thing.

Maybe we can compromise on slapping and shoving, but not seriously wounding Nazis ..? I still think it should be obvious that if Trump gets his alt-right martyr murdered by the left, he's gonna go all "I told you so!" and allow Bannon to lock up dissenters.

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Mulva: Sep 13, 2011; It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.

bird cooch posted:

We tried that.

And it ended with a lot of dead Nazis, a war crimes tribunal, and we landed people on the moon with Nazi science. Punching Nazis is awesome, do it forever.

# ? Aug 16, 2017 09:56

farraday: Jan 10, 2007; Lower those eyebrows, young man. And the other one.

I hope baltigoons got the chance to pee on the confederate statues because they're disappearing in the middle of the night like the Colts.

https://twitter.com/AlecMacGillis/status/897703660976832513

https://twitter.com/AlecMacGillis/status/897728262729850881

https://twitter.com/AlecMacGillis/status/897715175830237184

https://twitter.com/baynardwoods/status/897695579383484416

# ? Aug 16, 2017 09:57

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod

Cingulate posted:

Well, how much would you be willing to tolerate for the sake of organising the opposition?
For starters, it seems to me you'd want appeal to moderate conservative Republicans and to Libertarians.

how exactly would we appeal to libertarians? libertarians are currently trying to pretend nazis and violence exist cause of antifa

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bird cooch: Jan 19, 2007

Mulva posted:

And it ended with a lot of dead Nazis, a war crimes tribunal, and we landed people on the moon with Nazi science. Punching Nazis is awesome, do it forever.

I agree it's great.

# ? Aug 16, 2017 09:59

CyberPingu: Sep 15, 2013; If you're not striving to improve, you'll end up going backwards.

Condiv posted:

how exactly would we appeal to libertarians? libertarians are currently trying to pretend nazis and violence exist cause of antifa

Nobody got killed

:allears:

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Mantis42: Jul 26, 2010

Hmm, yes, no one died with the KKK around. Good observation.

# ? Aug 16, 2017 10:03

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod

Mantis42 posted:

Hmm, yes, no one died with the KKK around. Good observation.

no one of import to libertarians more like

# ? Aug 16, 2017 10:05

Cingulate: Oct 23, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Condiv posted:

how exactly would we appeal to libertarians? libertarians are currently trying to pretend nazis and violence exist cause of antifa

https://thejacknews.com/commentary/gary-johnson-wake-charlottesville-lets-look-solutions-not-blame/

Gary Johnson posted:

...
As for the rest of us, it�s just too easy for us to take comfort in the fact that the vast majority of Americans aren�t racists, and that we all condemn the white supremacists who showed up in Charlottesville.

That cannot be the end of the story. First, let�s begin with admitting that racism exists. It does, and as long as we have ignorant thugs among us, it may always exist at some level. But that doesn�t exempt us from the imperative to examine laws and policies that we can control � and that are in reality racist and discriminatory, even if not intentionally so.

Let�s begin with the criminal justice system. When are we actually going to take a hard look at the stark reality that people of color are much more likely to end up in jail than the rest of us?

Are black people more criminal than white people? Don�t think so. But they are more likely to be arrested and more likely to rely on inadequate indigent defense programs. There is no excuse for that reality to persist in America today, and yes, it is racist.

It�s not some demographic reality that can be rationalized by the politicians who refuse to reform our drug laws or provide adequate defenses for those who can�t afford high-dollar attorneys. It�s racism we can fix � and we need to do so. Now.
...
Politicians are demonizing immigrants even though they commit fewer crimes

And speaking of the politicians, what about the ones who aren�t even subtle about suggesting that immigrants are bringing rape and thievery to our communities, notwithstanding the fact that immigrants commit fewer of those crimes than us red-blooded Americans.

And it doesn�t even have to be about race. What about the politicians who are blatantly trying to find ways to legalize discrimination based on sexual orientation or identity. I�m sorry, but enacting �bathroom laws� to somehow �protect� us is not just unnecessary, but hurtful.

Bigotry reared its despicable head in Charlottesville, and we are rightfully disgusted and outraged. And no one is suggesting that a piece of legislation or a government policy is somehow responsible for violence and murder for which there is no justification.

But at the same time, let�s at least turn our outrage into a productive and overdue look at what we can do to place our laws, our rhetoric and our politics squarely on the side of equality under the law and against any form of discrimination.

https://twitter.com/SpeakerRyan/sta...genumber%3D2428

Mulva posted:

And it ended with a lot of dead Nazis, a war crimes tribunal, and we landed people on the moon with Nazi science. Punching Nazis is awesome, do it forever.

Who was in charge of the US military then, who is now?

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Mauser: Dec 16, 2003; How did I even get here, son?!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/16/baltimore-takes-down-confederate-statues-in-middle-of-night

All Confederate monuments in Baltimore were taken down last night without announcement. Previously, they had put a little plaque in front of the Justice Taney statue earlier this year.

Pretty happy this one is gone. It was right in front of the Washington Monument with Lafayette on the opposing side.

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Arzachel: May 12, 2012

Mulva posted:

And it ended with a lot of dead Nazis, a war crimes tribunal, and we landed people on the moon with Nazi science. Punching Nazis is awesome, do it forever.

You also let a despot sweep up half of Europe, killing and exiling a couple million people. Punching Nazis is great but maybe work on the cleanup.

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