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Sneakster posted:I may be wrong, but I think Chamberlains maneuver to buy time to rebuild the British army was the only way to avoid being destroyed in the mean time. The appeasement meant in part giving Spain to the fascists through it's policy of non intervention. And non-intervention wasn't even about not supporting Spain, because of it the UK actively stopped the sales and importation of any war materials to Spain directly and non directly. Germany and Italy also signed up as part of the non-intervention but just ignored it pretty openly, sending as many troops, weapons, planes, tank, and other supplies as they could, to murder thousands. Yes The UK was still building up is army, but so were the Germans, who were just beginning to train up their army at this point who's number was only a fraction of what it became by 1940. Part of the reason the Germans bombers were so effective at the start of the war was due to all the practice they got in their years slaughtering the Spanish by air. Sure it is impossible for to know for sure how things would of turned out if the UK and other allies had gotten involved sooner, but their was a hell of a price paid. Anyway sorry this is a bit of a derail, but yeah people never seem to mention the horrific effect it had on Spain when they talk about appeasement Dog tax edit:  The best tax 
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Mauser posted:https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/16/baltimore-takes-down-confederate-statues-in-middle-of-night This was a nice thing to wake up to.
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There Bias Two posted:Honestly, this makes me respect the guy more for being able to own up to his previous stupid opinions. Yeah at this point anyone that wants to get off and admit they were wrong I'm fine with as long as they don't decide to muck things up in the future. I'm hoping the Nazis got overconfident and showed their hand too early here before there was enough institutional support for them but we all know the GOP is going to do nothing about it while saying how bad it all is.
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radmonger posted:The leaders of the IRA, Tamil Tigers and PLO did not. Most of heir heirs would now admit that was a strategic failure. yeah remember when passive resistance resulted in the irish free state and the plo being recognized by over 100 nations as the legitimate representative of palestinians and getting admitted to the un?
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Look, I'm saying that non-violence together with civil disobedience and symbolic stuff, like the perfect example of the womens march, is good for one thing: getting people who was sitting down to stand up for what they believe in. If you're more cynical, acting like you're Jesus is a way to convince people that your side is the righteous one. The strategy of MLK was to realise and affect precisely that, just as much as any political carrot n' stick proposition. Motherfuckers on the streets are neonazis, AND while I'd like to know more of how Mosley's ilk imploded, punching these social rejects doesn't make them go away. They will stop when they are to embarrassed to walk around together, so doxx them. That is a consequence they can't tolerate. Getting punched on the other hand is something they can deal with were easily. You see those rifles they have? You miserable bastards, what do you think those are for?! The 'blood and soil' walkers are walking and screaming in the streets, no question. But they are not in control of the American government. And whatever Sessions is scaring people with now, no one, none of us have been rounded up. Until then nothing will be more useful than convincing more people to stand up for what they already believe in. You want to keep spewing childish slogans about fighting ww2 against the ugly virgins? Yeaaa, call me when they have an airforce.
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the talent deficit posted:yeah remember when passive resistance resulted in the irish free state and the plo being recognized by over 100 nations as the legitimate representative of palestinians and getting admitted to the un? Wait I'm Irish and I didn't realise I was a legitimate representative of the Palestinian state
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WeAreTheRomans posted:Wait I'm Irish and I didn't realise I was a legitimate representative of the Palestinian state who gives a gently caress about an oxford comma
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pumpinglemma posted:Chamberlain gave the Nazis Poland. In the UK he is near-universally regarded with disgust and embarrassment. Unkempt's right, that's the USA impression of the UK position that's somehow arisen. But it's not true. Chamberlains reputation in the UK is much more nuanced. Not to derail the thread, but he was in a hell of a position, leading a country that remembered the Great War and did not want to go through that again with very few good options and without the benefit of historical hindsight.
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So this is happening... https://twitter.com/dave_brown24/status/897769895055818753
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 I live in Australia and I woke up this morning to see the local press' response to this and it was basically several hours of  I'm not talking about the jibbering commercial networks which only care about sports and cooking shows, but SBS and the ABC (our versions of your PBS, I guess) which are government funded independent news with serious, in depth analysis of local and global events. Their experts were all pretty much just sitting there going, "Well, this was certainly a thing which just happened with the president of the United States of America. Uhhhhh" I've never in my life seen so many experts and journalists with decades of experiences at such a loss before.
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Trump was born almost 9 months after hitler died. makes u think.
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evilmiera posted:25 percent , at latest polling, support him no matter what he says or does specifically. So almost a quarter of American voters agree with similar ideals as Nazi's then, thats not far off what the Nazi's were polling in the early days. There is no way this is going to end with him stepping down peacefully with such a large backing. Its probably why he is angling for a war as it deflects attention into the Russia inquiries and also would enable him to declare an emergency if the SHTF and stay in office. A Reichstag Fire type of incident would then enable him to keep power.
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Antifasc here is the Soviet Union. They're kind of dicks, their methods are morally questionable, but gently caress if they don't love a good fist in a Nazis face.
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Antifa: Violent lawbreakers Neo-Nazis: Violent lawbreaking racists rly makes u think
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Gorilla Salad posted:
The German Spiegel was loving rough on Trump today, holy poo poo. They fact-checked (and kind body-checked tbh) his entire hosed-up speech. They've done fact-checking before, but it was always in a reasonable, objective tone. This time you actually hear the disgust in every line.
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Agnosticnixie posted:Being good victims didn't stop nazism in Germany I wonder if there is a third option. Condiv posted:i think expecting paul ryan to wake up and smell the roses is a bit naive. he's been too close to trump for too long for him to completely extricate himself from the mess if trump got impeached, and i think he realizes that. i'm pretty sure you can count on him sticking with trump to preserve his own hide Condiv posted:clinton and her followers spent the entire campaign trying to pretend the left were all sexist bros (and please don't try to pretend she wasn't involved, obamaboys was basically the same attack used against obama supporters in 2008). i do in fact see them stabbing us in the back as soon as they can. likewise, obama personally interfered with the dnc chair election to prevent keith ellison from winning, and had a worthless chair installed instead (perez) Condiv posted:so this is more about beating back trump than beating fascism? fine. but especially with that, i dunno why you pretend it'd be treated as a win for everyone instead of a win for centrists with leftists cut out yet again. the big problem with the people calling for unity is that you expect the left to help you (yet again) for absolutely no benefit to them. centrists won't even let singlepayer pass in california where dems have a supermajority and absolute control of government, so why should we believe helping you will ever get us anything? It seems to me when Obama compromises (by preventing Ellison), it's bad. It seems you want an uncompromising left, and everybody who compromises is out. I don't get it.
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Gorilla Salad posted:
You didnt watch the ABC around midday, did you? They had the most insufferable fucker ive yet seen. He claimed that Trump was actually being very presidential, and the only people who didn't like it are bitter haters. No, it wasn't Trump in a bad disguise, suprisingly.
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SulphagneSocialist posted:I wonder if Donald read
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Third option: fire bombs. Get out those Molotovs comrades.
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botany posted:The German Spiegel was loving rough on Trump today, holy poo poo. They fact-checked (and kind body-checked tbh) his entire hosed-up speech. They've done fact-checking before, but it was always in a reasonable, objective tone. This time you actually hear the disgust in every line.
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radmonger posted:MLK, Mandela, and Ghandhi all offered their opponents a feasible thing that they could do which would avoid conflict. They offered solutions to prevent FURTHER conflict. In every instance you list violent conflict was already in progress and running parallel to peaceful overtures. The narrative does not fit.
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WeAreTheRomans posted:Wait I'm Irish and I didn't realise I was a legitimate representative of the Palestinian state The Red Hand and the blue Magen David* are two sides of the same coin. * On the Israeli flag.
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10kapp posted:Antifa: Violent lawbreakers maybe anti fa are the real nazis (paleo nazis if u will) and blm are black supremacists i am fox news incarnate
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Dammit, Judd Apatow, don't make me like you: https://twitter.com/JuddApatow/status/897667101984514048
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I like that trump caused a crisis with north korea for no apparent reason then is taking credit for being the guy that fixed it somehow.
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Aggro posted:Link? http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/donald-trump-zu-charlottesville-die-verharmlosung-des-hasses-a-1163042.html and use autotranslate Spiegel posted:The Trump Winery in Charlottesville does not belong to either Donald Trump or his trump organization, but his son Eric. On its website, the winery expressly states that it is "not owned, under management or in any relation to Donald Trump". This is somewhat revealing in an unexpected way. How is transferring his assets to relatives supposed to free him from conflicts of interests when he can't remember which assets are his and which are his children's?
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Mr Interweb posted:Dammit, Judd Apatow, don't make me like you: It doesn't look like pepsi is actually even ON the council.
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If the opponents of fascism are the real fascists, the Allies were the real Nazis.
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Blurred posted:Tackling the pressing issues of the day: So Fox did a segment on Amazon this morning?
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Mr Interweb posted:So this is happening... Normally this level of discord with the CIC would be grounds for immediate dismissal. It is a strange place to be in. I hope he doesn't do permanent damage to the presidential institution and civilian control over the military before this is over.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:It doesn't look like pepsi is actually even ON the council. Forget it, he's rolling
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I would support a statue of Lee ordering Picket on July 3rd, 1863. Caption should be: "On this day, Robert E Lee became General of the Union Army" Or "They just did it, man, and became legends"
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Is it just me, or is using the phrase 'Identity Politics' a Right Wing stand in for Whataboutism?
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Goffer posted:On a scale 1 to 10 how well did non-aggression work against the nazis last time? How did "the US military intervenes" do? Who is currently in charge of the executive?
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