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The underlying cause of why an Urbanmech could one shot your Atlas the moment it saw it from across the map remains, even with the attempts to reduce it below the one hit kill threshold. Headshot gambling still very likley beats two robots unloading all their guns into eachother over several turns. Or even flanking given the whims of the RNG and "So I alpha striked that guy in the back three times and he's still fine, ON TOP of shooting him in the front with others. Didn't people tell me Commando Flanks were MLG assault one shotters- *one shot pasted by Assault finally turning around*". So reduced damage may only going to further put lights into the "I brought this because I can't afford a real mech" tier given that situation. Skoll posted:I've had like preternatural bad luck in the beta with my mechs getting headshot early in the rounds. I know it's :battletech: but I think the RNG especially hates me. AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:
Cyrano4747 posted:That's the thing about iterative design and true betas - if these changes suck they can always roll them back, or tweak them for a third version. It's not like there's a comp scene or leaderboards where they're going to make a bunch of poop sockers butthurt over changing the meta or nerfing their sickkkkkk build. That's a wonderful theory, but so many games have heard that saying where that doesn't pan out. And here we are with one patch after ages, when it was already in question there would even be another patch. Though I'm more worried about the legal troubles than "Can they make headshots and light mechs honestly not poo poo rather than 'it's edge cases! only edge cases have issues!'". No matter what the end result is the competitive types will have their spreadsheet builds either way. So I'm less concerned with "Competitive balance" and more not wanting my primary concern at all times being "Will they headshot me this round". Along with getting lights out of the revolving door hole of "Lights are great, you flank with them when your big mechs are engaging it's target, idiot" to "Oh, you actually flanked with your light and the AI dropped everything to turn around and shoot it? You idiot, lights are for spamming sensors from behind cover" whenever you try one or the other. I can't use "flank with a light to make the Atlas 180 and turn his back on the rest of my squad in favor of crushing a light with only a light laser remaining" so hot when campaign mode comes around and I need to give a poo poo about my pilots  And an increase in crits frequency is going to be something easy to feel much more often outside of "4 vs 4, identical budget".
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Cyrano4747 posted:I agree to a point. Big slugfests are awesome, but "oh gently caress my atlas got domed" is pretty much battle tech as gently caress too. One of the most hilarious awesome Beta moments I've had is parking my Panther on the main Hill on the River map, having the AI roll into view with a Jenner. And on the following turn, in the first shot fired in the entire match, headcapping the Jenner with my PPC + Precision Shot.
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Aug 14, 2017 19:06
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Ammo explosions in this game are also less so a death sentence than they are in tt to start with too.
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Aug 14, 2017 19:10
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Gwaihir posted:Ammo explosions in this game are also less so a death sentence than they are in tt to start with too. Yeah, just about every TT game I ever played with a warhammer started with "round 1: dump the MG ammo"
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Gwaihir posted:Ammo explosions in this game are also less so a death sentence than they are in tt to start with too. Maybe, they said they're trying to make crits more meaningful which seems to read like "Ammo explosions are going to kill you more" to me.
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Zaodai posted:Maybe, they said they're trying to make crits more meaningful which seems to read like "Ammo explosions are going to kill you more" to me. There is a wide gulf between the nearly zero occurrence of Ammo Explosions now, and MG Ammo being a death sentence like it is in TT tho
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Aug 14, 2017 19:55
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I mean explosions in this game don't do many times the internal damage of an entire Mech, they're like a gauss rifle that might or might not take out the segement that it's in but probably won't also one shot your CT.
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Aug 14, 2017 20:21
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So, it looks like to avoid having to tune the AC damage down too much they've rejiggered the calcs for head hits. Then they also boosted head structure by a point. https://community.battletechgame.com/forums/threads/9223/comments/175654 So the AC/10 can only headcap the Spider and Commando post damage retuning.
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Aug 14, 2017 21:21
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Gonna shoot dem metal babbies. 
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Q_res posted:So, it looks like to avoid having to tune the AC damage down too much they've rejiggered the calcs for head hits. Then they also boosted head structure by a point. God bless "Iterative changes" ™ being for real 
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Aug 14, 2017 21:32
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Q_res posted:So, it looks like to avoid having to tune the AC damage down too much they've rejiggered the calcs for head hits. Then they also boosted head structure by a point.  Who knew that not pandering to frothing at the mouth idiots would work out?!?
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Just curious - if the Commando and Spider are still one-hittable, why not the Locust? I don't mind, I think the +1 structure was something we talked about in here and I thought it was a nice and simple idea. So I'm fine with however they implement that.
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:
If you read that thread (do so at own risk...), you can actually see someone refer to the AC/2 as being "op for its size". Really glad they don't listen to that stuff. I'm super happy with what they've done, pending actually playing it. I tried ACs at 20/35/55/100 damage with some modding, and I'll admit at 35 damage the AC/5 did seem just a hair too weak.
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Psion posted:Just curious - if the Commando and Spider are still one-hittable, why not the Locust? Stock Commando and Spider don't have maximum head armor. e: (Then again, neither does the Locust, so  ) No reason you can't make those mechs un-one shottable with a custom version though.
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I'm pretty sure that in any match that allows custom variants, they'll have maximum head armor - like in every game with a Mechlab. You take a little armor off the legs or somewhere if you have to, but you never run less than full on the head.
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Wellll, except on a Locust, where the -1M with L1 tech has is literally no armor anywhere anyhow. Locust legs have 1 armor stock, and the CT has 2. The head with 3 armor is the tankiest part of the 'Mech! The 1E or 1V with 4 whole tons of armor is way better off than the 1M at least.
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But at least it's a Locust variant that can walk around in the backfield and plink with LRMs, it doesn't need armor all the time!!! Lore-based loadouts can be so bizarre sometimes.
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Interested to see what happens if you bring custom mechs to multiplayer games. I am guessing that there won't be a mechlab until much further down the road.
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Phrosphor posted:Interested to see what happens if you bring custom mechs to multiplayer games. I am guessing that there won't be a mechlab until much further down the road. I think they mentioned it would work as long as both parties have the same customized mech clientside.
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MP Beta Access got posted accidentally: Steam game properties, betas, enter code DEATHFROMABOVE and select the mpbeta in the drop down above the code entry field. I asked the forum poster who was the only guy to catch the misfire two questions and was able to brute force the answer. 
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Not working / invalid code. They must have fixed it.
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Aug 17, 2017 21:02
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Why does the game only allow 1920x1200 in windowed mode?
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Aug 17, 2017 21:56
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I got 2 matches in, both wins. It's a shitload of fun, if you managed to get it downloaded. Don't quit out of the game without disabling auto-updates.
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Q_res posted:So, it looks like to avoid having to tune the AC damage down too much they've rejiggered the calcs for head hits. Then they also boosted head structure by a point. That's interesting. I hope they take that a step farther for the main game, head hits being semi-common are fine for the skirmish game but I'm not eager to eat one every 2-3 missions in a campaign.
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PoptartsNinja posted:That's interesting. I hope they take that a step farther for the main game, head hits being semi-common are fine for the skirmish game but I'm not eager to eat one every 2-3 missions in a campaign. Says the man literally running a campaign with 2-3 head hits a mission. 
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PoptartsNinja posted:That's interesting. I hope they take that a step farther for the main game, head hits being semi-common are fine for the skirmish game but I'm not eager to eat one every 2-3 missions in a campaign. That's not too difficult. Past BT-themed strategy games have massaged the head hit issue without too much trouble. I suspect it will result more in pilot injuries and the health of your crew will be just another resource to manage in the campaign.
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Cyrano4747 posted:That's not too difficult. Past BT-themed strategy games have massaged the head hit issue without too much trouble. I suspect it will result more in pilot injuries and the health of your crew will be just another resource to manage in the campaign. And that I'm fine with. It's just nice to know those variables are easily modified and I'm just expressing my hope that the campaign tweaks them independently of the skirmish and multiplayer skirmish games. Edit: Or better yet, make "player unit head hits" a difficulty menu slider for the campaign ranging from [same as AI] to [some percentage reduced] to [a bigger percentage reduced]. Maybe even go so far as making [none] an option for inexperienced tactics game players or younger kids who like making the robots punch each other. 
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Well, in the 2 MP matches I played there were plenty of head hits but nobody died from a headshot. There were also an ammo explosion or two each match.
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Q_res posted:Well, in the 2 MP matches I played there were plenty of head hits but nobody died from a headshot. There were also an ammo explosion or two each match. Nice "i got into multiplayer" brag.
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veedubfreak posted:Nice "i got into multiplayer" brag. Go shitpost in the mwo thread.
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Phrosphor posted:Go shitpost in the mwo thread. Hey gently caress you, I'm in the beta, i can shitpost here too.
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veedubfreak posted:Hey gently caress you, I'm in the beta, i can shitpost here too. Even a fool is thought wise if he keeps silent, and discerning if he holds his tongue.
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BadOptics posted:
I choose to waive that right...
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For some reason I figured this would be a Trump speech.
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veedubfreak posted:Nice "i got into multiplayer" brag. Well, it's live for everyone now. https://community.battletechgame.com/forums/threads/9249 So you can stop being a salty little poo poo about it veedub. 
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The farther a ‘Mech moves (by any type of movement), the more EVASIVE charges it receives, up to a maximum of 6. ○ Each EVASIVE charge makes the ‘Mech +2 Difficulty to hit with ranged attacks. ○ Each time an EVASIVE ‘Mech is attacked, it loses one EVASIVE charge. ○ The EVASIVE state is lost when the ‘Mech has no EVASIVE charges remaining, or becomes UNSTEADY.
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Q_res posted:Well, it's live for everyone now. https://community.battletechgame.com/forums/threads/9249 So you can stop being a salty little poo poo about it veedub. Woot, and its not like i was serious. Hell i've only got like 5 games in total on the beta. I just thought it was funny how he did the little humble brag that *you got into the multiplayer  Game kept crashing on me when I tried to play earlier.I did notice how there's a mechlab button now. Looking forward to beign able to adjust mechs.
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Phrosphor posted:The farther a ‘Mech moves (by any type of movement), the more EVASIVE that's pretty good
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These look like very good changes all around.
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