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I've got an old AMD FX/Vishera PC kicking around, if I chuck a 1080Ti in it, am I going to get full performance out of the GPU on the 16x PCIE-2.0 bus, over a 16x PCIE-3? I don't think it will, but I'd like to confirm my math: I think a 16x2.0 will do 8GB/s and 16x3.0 will double that to 16GB/s. A 1080 Ti over Thunderbolt 3, is effectively 4x3.0 which is 4GB/s, and has a ~30% performance penalty. So there's definitely some extra bandwidth there. But this poo poo is never as simple as that is it?
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Horse Clocks posted:I've got an old AMD FX/Vishera PC kicking around, if I chuck a 1080Ti in it, am I going to get full performance out of the GPU on the 16x PCIE-2.0 bus, over a 16x PCIE-3? A 1080Ti with a pre-Ryzen AMD CPU evokes thoughts of a Ferrari transmission mated to a Civic LX engine, with the Civic using H-rated tires. A 1050Ti would be a better mate to that config, unless you're ~6 months from upgrading the whole system and can grandfather the Ti into that. Otherwise you're buying at the top of the market and that GPU will be limited by the Vishera.
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Aug 17, 2017 23:24
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BIG HEADLINE posted:I'll make an attempt at a new OP tonight. Thanks. We really need a full reset of everything to take into account the current GPU market and 6-core Intel launching in 4 days to compete with surprisingly good R5 and R7 AMD CPUs.
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Twerk from Home posted:Thanks. We really need a full reset of everything to take into account the current GPU market and 6-core Intel launching in 4 days to compete with surprisingly good R5 and R7 AMD CPUs. Yeah, I'm planning on covering the big things, like telling people it's about to be the best time to upgrade in years (except with regards to GPU/RAM prices), Microcenter prebuilts for those near one, ~did you knows~ about not having to buy a new $100-150 Windows 10 license, how Ryzen and Threadripper aren't cancer so long as you're smart about configs, etc., etc.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Yeah, I'm planning on covering the big things, like telling people it's about to be the best time to upgrade in years (except with regards to GPU/RAM prices), Microcenter prebuilts for those near one, ~did you knows~ about not having to buy a new $100-150 Windows 10 license, how Ryzen and Threadripper aren't cancer so long as you're smart about configs, etc., etc. You're a hero. I've been wanting to upgrade my ivy core for a while now and all your advice on the new coffee lake CPU's have saved me from making bad impulse decisions. Now if only the GPU market could settle down. I just want a good gaming card for under 300$. I look forward to actually posting in this thread for real next month with my potential build.
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Aug 17, 2017 23:53
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There's a fair bit from the OP I'll be able to keep. Some of it simply needs a bit of tweaking. I'm going to rough draft it first before posting it.
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Aug 17, 2017 23:57
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Wait, is that 8350 actually going to be a current generation (not top end) i7 for i3 prices? 
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El Generico posted:I'm guessing I'm gonna end up with an i3-8350K. If that's still $170 for an overclockable 4Ghz quad core, that'll finally be what gets me off my 2500K. 
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BIG HEADLINE posted:A 1080Ti with a pre-Ryzen AMD CPU evokes thoughts of a Ferrari transmission mated to a Civic LX engine, with the Civic using H-rated tires. also please make sure the new OP is chock full of 
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The V2 to V1 conversion kit/bios mod for 6 core coffee lakes is going to cause some real good 
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I haven't paid much attention to video cards since I got my nvidia 980Ti a while back. It chugs at 1440p on high detail, though (at least enough to stay below 144hz consistently, and often below 60 depending on game), and my current monitor is also Freesync, not G-Sync. What's the situation with AMD cards nowadays? Anything worth the upgrade, potentially? Googling is rough at work but something called the RX Vega, maybe??
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Yeah, I'm wondering how that new i3-8350k stacks up against say Ryzen 1500x, or 1600, which are likely comparable in price (assuming the i3 doesn't come with a cooler).
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Ciaphas posted:I haven't paid much attention to video cards since I got my nvidia 980Ti a while back. It chugs at 1440p on high detail, though (at least enough to stay below 144hz consistently, and often below 60 depending on game), and my current monitor is also Freesync, not G-Sync. What's the situation with AMD cards nowadays? Anything worth the upgrade, potentially? Googling is rough at work but something called the RX Vega, maybe?? Vega is literally a tire fire in GPU format. Stay far, far away. A 1070 is supposed to be the sweet spot for 1440p gaming, but I'm not sure that would actually be any better than your 980Ti.
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Arivia posted:Vega is literally a tire fire in GPU format. Stay far, far away. A 1070 is supposed to be the sweet spot for 1440p gaming, but I'm not sure that would actually be any better than your 980Ti. Would an RX 580 be at least a side-grade that gets me access to FreeSync, possibly? I can look up benchmarks when I get home from work, I suppose. Darn, that's frustrating that certain games can't keep up without lowering quality options. 
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Zero VGS posted:Don't be afraid of eBay if you wanna save some money:
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22 Eargesplitten posted:Wait, is that 8350 actually going to be a current generation (not top end) i7 for i3 prices? It's more analogous to an i5-7600K, since there's no hyperthreading. 4 cores, 4 threads. 8MB SmartCache, 4GHz base frequency.
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Aug 18, 2017 03:00
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Ciaphas posted:Would an RX 580 be at least a side-grade that gets me access to FreeSync, possibly? I can look up benchmarks when I get home from work, I suppose. No, it would be a downgrade.
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El Generico posted:It's more analogous to an i5-7600K, since there's no hyperthreading. 4 cores, 4 threads. 8MB SmartCache, 4GHz base frequency. Ah, okay. I thought the 7600 was still an i7. Excluding mobile processors, I've only ever had i3s. Still, with how incremental CPU improvements have been over the past few generations, that's still a huge change.
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I recently decided I want to upgrade most of my computer. Still have the 2500k (oc'd to 4.4 or 4.5 I think?) but it's 6 years old and everything but the 970 and hard drives is probably due to be replaced. I saw that the new intel chips are due out (or a release date will be announced?) next week. I've never bought a recently released chip, is this going to be a pain to track down or will they just be readily available on amazon? Also my computer started making a weird rattle/ticking noise tonight and I just shut it off. Hopefully it's a case fan or something. Either way I'm looking forward to the new OP and the new i5s.
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zelah posted:I recently decided I want to upgrade most of my computer. Still have the 2500k (oc'd to 4.4 or 4.5 I think?) but it's 6 years old and everything but the 970 and hard drives is probably due to be replaced. Speaking of the new OP, I'm in the process of seeing what in the original OP is salvageable. I hope to have it ready by Sunday, but I didn't get home until later than expected tonight. As for the Coffee Lakes, eventually retailers will put up pre-orders, but one suspicion I've had as to why Intel isn't shouting from the rooftops about it is that their yields might not have panned out the way they planned, and getting your hands on the first batch might be challenging. I've nothing to base that on, but it's just a guess/conjecture. Just based on the fact that it's still a 14nm chip with two additional cores at the high end means less cores per wafer over Kaby Lake.
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Thanks. I'm in no real rush (unless that ticking turns into smoke) so I'll see what they have to say Monday and be prepared to wait a couple months.
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VulgarandStupid posted:No, it would be a downgrade. Righto then, guess I'm holding tight for now. Freesync will have to wait.
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Ciaphas posted:Righto then, guess I'm holding tight for now. Freesync will have to wait. Just get g-sync. AMD refuses to put together an attractive product stack together for years, we have goons who bought Freesync monitors years ago and are still on Nvidia cards. That extra $200 g-sync tax sucks at the time but you get a great product and you're no longer wanting and waiting.
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Looking to build a relatively cheap Mini ITX rig for Solidworks, I have most of the base specs nailed down but I am unsure on a graphics card, its between a 1050 and 1060. Goons pls steer me the right way
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McSpergin posted:Looking to build a relatively cheap Mini ITX rig for Solidworks, I have most of the base specs nailed down but I am unsure on a graphics card, its between a 1050 and 1060. Goons pls steer me the right way split the difference and get a 1050ti 
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zelah posted:I recently decided I want to upgrade most of my computer. Still have the 2500k (oc'd to 4.4 or 4.5 I think?) but it's 6 years old and everything but the 970 and hard drives is probably due to be replaced. Back your poo poo up ASAP, even odds you have a harddrive with a dodgy head.
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I finally received every part for my new PC but the graphics card. I couldn't wait and put everything together with the old one. Apparently the CPU and RAM made a difference because games are running faster and of course everything else runs like butter. I'm glad to be back with AMD (Ryzen 1700) after a decade. The graphics card incoming is a GeForce 1080 GTX. I was running at 2500K and DDR3 RAM. I think the faster RAM and CPU is making a big impact.
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Without seeing the final products, is there a good way to narrow down the list of candidates of high-end motherboards for a 8700K to help me beat the preorder rush?
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Back your poo poo up ASAP, even odds you have a harddrive with a dodgy head. Back it up, but the other side of the even odds says that a cable wiggled itself into a position where it's getting hit by a fan. I used to have that problem a lot with a case that had no provisions for cable management and a non modular PSU.
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ufarn posted:Without seeing the final products, is there a good way to narrow down the list of candidates of high-end motherboards for a 8700K to help me beat the preorder rush? They will be called Z370 motherboards (usually appending something for form factor like Z370m for micro ATX or Z370i for ITX, check the 270 series for each company to learn their nomenclature) and the most feature/price competitive tends to be ASRock, Asus, and MSI. Gigabyte seems to have slightly worse reliability issues and EVGA usually has much less features (i.e. no Wi-Fi or Thunderbolt on a board when everyone else in it's class has it). If you're trying to get the best bang for the buck ASRock is almost always the one, if money is no object then the best board is often MSI or Asus, God help you if you need to RMA with Asus they are especially dumb at it.
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Got my box o parts today. Getting ready to start plugging poo poo in while I "work from home"
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Zero VGS posted:They will be called Z370 motherboards (usually appending something for form factor like Z370m for micro ATX or Z370i for ITX, check the 270 series for each company to learn their nomenclature) and the most feature/price competitive tends to be ASRock, Asus, and MSI. Gigabyte seems to have slightly worse reliability issues and EVGA usually has much less features (i.e. no Wi-Fi or Thunderbolt on a board when everyone else in it's class has it).
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VulgarandStupid posted:Just get g-sync. AMD refuses to put together an attractive product stack together for years, we have goons who bought Freesync monitors years ago and are still on Nvidia cards. That extra $200 g-sync tax sucks at the time but you get a great product and you're no longer wanting and waiting. It's that dire, huh? I'll consider it then. While I'm spending money, I don't suppose a 1070 or 1080 is a particularly significant upgrade over my 980ti for 1440p@144, is it? 
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Ciaphas posted:It's that dire, huh? I'll consider it then. I wouldn't bother, especially not at current card prices.
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Ciaphas posted:It's that dire, huh? I'll consider it then. The 1070 offers 980Ti performance at better thermals. 1080s have had some insane deals over the past few months, but that was before the buttcoin bubble. I would hold onto your 980Ti for as long as the warranty covers it - hopefully by that point we'll know more about Volta. But right now nVidia knows they don't have to rush consumer-grade Volta because "Team Red" is making GBS threads the bed.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:The 1070 offers 980Ti performance at better thermals. 1080s have had some insane deals over the past few months, but that was before the buttcoin bubble. I would hold onto your 980Ti for as long as the warranty covers it - hopefully by that point we'll know more about Volta. But right now nVidia knows they don't have to rush consumer-grade Volta because "Team Red" is making GBS threads the bed. Blarg. My need to not turn down quality settings in games like Prey is competing with my need to not be stupid with money. Oh well, the latter will win out. Thanks all for the information
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Ciaphas posted:Blarg. My need to not turn down quality settings in games like Prey is competing with my need to not be stupid with money. Hey, maybe the RMA fairy will visit you and you'll get a 1080 as a replacement. But yeah, the only upgrade a 1070 gets you is 2GB of extra frame buffer and less heat in your case.
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I'll probably be getting a new Intel + motherboard/RAM/case since my 3570k is pushing 5 years. I use my two SSDs for gaming, and mostly use my 1 TB HDD for Plex & games that don't need SSDs. Is it a bad idea to store videos and such on a SSD for Plex? I'm wondering if I should replace the HDD with a 1 TB SSD or new HDD. I wish NVMe SSDs were more affordable, I'd just put one of those in for my boot drive.
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Mr E posted:I'll probably be getting a new Intel + motherboard/RAM/case since my 3570k is pushing 5 years. I use my two SSDs for gaming, and mostly use my 1 TB HDD for Plex & games that don't need SSDs. Is it a bad idea to store videos and such on a SSD for Plex? I'm wondering if I should replace the HDD with a 1 TB SSD or new HDD. I wish NVMe SSDs were more affordable, I'd just put one of those in for my boot drive. It's only the 1TB+ NVMe drives that are still commanding premiums, if you can settle for a 500GB boot drive, they're affordable. There'll also eventually be 22110 M.2 drives that might make higher capacities possible while making existing capacities cheaper since there'll be more space on the very small PCB to use larger/cheaper NAND. If I were building my own box today I'd go with twin M.2 drives - one 1TB WD Blue in the SATA-keyed slot and a 960 EVO in the NVMe-only one. Simply to save on having to run, route, and manage four extra leads.
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