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Covok posted:That was a typo. I actually meant to say that does make sense. OK. Well consider it additional explanation.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Jesus, did I miss the page we talked about the arts and humanity counsel hiding secret messages in a letter to the president? Yeah, you did. Two or three pages.
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Jaxyon posted:It's not accellerationism can't work, it's that it involves a lot of suffering of vulnerable people, and the people who advocate for it are usually not the ones doing that suffering. My impression is quite the opposite; I'm living in camps with some of the most vulnerable people. The poorest are on board for accelerationism. These are the people marching with the 'black bloc'; a riot is the language of the unheard. The incrementalist liberals tend to be rich white female activists and internet geeks on somethingawful.com.
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Bogatyr posted:Chode that attended a hate rally, complains about "the composition of our country" is surprised to get hate right back at him... I had to do a double take. This gently caress is 19?! What is it about college republicans that seems to super age them. I was thinking this guy was in his like mid-30s going back to school
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Crabtree posted:So did they give that shitfuck that killed that woman with a car actual murder or did he get some weak manslaughter instead of terrorism because he's a white chud? Murder 2 (Heather Heyer) Several malicious wounding and aggravated malicious wounding assaults (I assume other injuries that occurred) Obviously the Murder 2 one is the big one and the one that needs to stick and unless we get an A Time To Kill situation considering there's video and all seems like a slam dunk. quote:Second Degree Murder: Maximum of life in prison; Minimum of 25 years if a firearm is used, otherwise a minimum of 10 years under sentencing guidelines for a person with a clean record. Apparently Trumps beaking off about it and calling him a murder and terrorist might make it hard for selecting unbiased jurors which could hold up the prosecutions case though because of course he'd have to have some direct effect on this. Kale fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Aug 19, 2017 |
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Bicyclops posted:lol That BU student who got caught at the rally said that the threats were hurting his "brand." Hopefully they don't learn the complex method to revive General Lee
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Dr. VooDoo posted:I had to do a double take. This gently caress is 19?! What is it about college republicans that seems to super age them. I was thinking this guy was in his like mid-30s going back to school Stress can cause premature aging. You have to be under extreme and constant amount of stress and the effects tend to wear off when you're removed from that environment. College Republicans live on hating everyone who isn't White and Rich and male and are in an environment where those individuals are given equal voice. So, do the math.
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Chilichimp posted:THAT ALL HAPPENED IN 4 loving WEEKS?!?!?!?!?! Do you want to feel really disoriented? Steve Mnuchin commuted perjury for a second time and it didn't last a whole news cycle.
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Kale posted:Murder 2 (Heather Heyer) Why not Murder1? It certainly seemed premeditated.
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Uglycat posted:My impression is quite the opposite; I'm living in camps with some of the most vulnerable people. The poorest are on board for accelerationism. These are the people marching with the 'black bloc'; a riot is the language of the unheard. The incrementalist liberals tend to be rich white female activists and internet geeks on somethingawful.com. oh no, not females!
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Dr. VooDoo posted:I had to do a double take. This gently caress is 19?! What is it about college republicans that seems to super age them. I was thinking this guy was in his like mid-30s going back to school I think it's their sheer hatred of the world combined with a likely upbringing in a household with severely pathological parents.
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Uglycat posted:My impression is quite the opposite; I'm living in camps with some of the most vulnerable people. The poorest are on board for accelerationism. These are the people marching with the 'black bloc'; a riot is the language of the unheard. The incrementalist liberals tend to be rich white female activists and internet geeks on somethingawful.com. That's not accelerationism. Accelerationism is people saying "let the system get as awful as possible." Basically you should neglect or make systems worse because you think that will lead to their collapse. The accelerationist move here would be to let them take power and hurt as many people as possible.
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Covok posted:Stress can cause premature aging. Not really, no.
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Booourns posted:Hopefully they don't learn the complex method to revive General Lee If they do we just fill Sherman's desiccated corpse with whiskey and liquid hate so he can burn the South again.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:oh no, not females! They need to get an avatar. It always takes me too long to realize who it is.
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Trust the arts and humanities council to try to represent the most kindergarten art of the acrostic poem.
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Also, the secret message was just the word "resist." Come back to me when it's something more interesting like "piss tape is real."
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Dr. VooDoo posted:I had to do a double take. This gently caress is 19?! What is it about college republicans that seems to super age them. I was thinking this guy was in his like mid-30s going back to school http://www.theonion.com/video/gop-maintains-solid-hold-on-youth-that-already-loo-36778
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What's the typical lag for news stories to impact Trump's approval? The 538 model is not showing any sort of hit from Charleston yet that I can pick out.
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Covok posted:Why not Murder1? It certainly seemed premeditated. It can still be upgraded to Murder 1 as the investigation continues which it likely will for months still. If there's enough evidence then it'd get upgraded. Murder 1 obviously carries with it a higher burden of proof since you have to prove both the criminal act (the slam dunk part) versus premeditated intent. I'm sure there's some facebook or /pol/ post where the guy incriminated himself before going to the rally though and I assume they already have his computer and permissions to access it all by now. If you're stewing about this at all and the whole taking time thing then recall Fields was denied bail and will spend it in a jail cell somewhere. Possibly where a cop accidentally on purpose leaves him unattended in a cell full of non-white people overnight.  e: Oh also there's no actual maximum sentence for 2nd degree murder (this might vary by state though). He can get life for that and he can life for 1st degree, it's the minimums that make up the difference. Kale fucked around with this message at 01:23 on Aug 19, 2017 |
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:How about looking it up instead of coming in here all excited to get outraged? So far its second degree murder, various "malicious wounding" and failure to stop after he hit someone. So yeah, its looking like white leniency.
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Uglycat posted:My impression is quite the opposite; I'm living in camps with some of the most vulnerable people. The poorest are on board for accelerationism. These are the people marching with the 'black bloc'; a riot is the language of the unheard. The incrementalist liberals tend to be rich white female activists and internet geeks on somethingawful.com. Violent upheaval and accelerationism are two different things. I'm fine with revolutionary socialism, I'm fine with people with no other choice rioting. But amping up the suffering and hoping it gets better hasn't been popular with any leftist group or poor community I've ever been involved with. It's almost always middle class white males who are doing poverty tourism or won't be hurt by it. But hey, experiences differ.
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Covok posted:Why not Murder1? It certainly seemed premeditated. Might be because he didn't intend to kill her so much as he intended to kill someone.
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TGLT posted:That's not accelerationism. Accelerationism is people saying "let the system get as awful as possible." Basically you should neglect or make systems worse because you think that will lead to their collapse. The accelerationist move here would be to let them take power and hurt as many people as possible. I suppose this may be where the two talk past each-other; the magnification of suffering is not a necessary condition for accelerating the /next/ iteration. It is, of course, wisest to have a sense of what you're going to replace an existing system with - before you tear down that existing system. In ideal circumstances, you just make the old system redundant and irrelevant and antiquated until everyone forgets it and it no longer holds any power. But after Bernie's loss at the DNC, facing Hillary (characterized as '8 more years of the same, plus hawkish') or Trump (who is clearly not popular with the GOP, and is very likely to flub the whole job in less than a year, taking down much of the existing federal structure and respect among the general public for the 'Legitimacy' of that federal machine)... Like, not /everybody/ believes that we all enjoy our present state of luxury /because/ of the continued existence of (and general regard for) the US Federal Government Particularly the people that don't enjoy those same luxuries, the ones for whom the game is not rigged. Particularly those whose ancestors were destroyed in genocides perpetrated by that government.
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Dr. VooDoo posted:I had to do a double take. This gently caress is 19?! What is it about college republicans that seems to super age them. I was thinking this guy was in his like mid-30s going back to school Saw the video. Was literally about to post the above when I scrolled down and saw somebody had already done it. WTF? Is this man the result of some shady Y2K experiment called 'Project Dorian Grey'. He's technically a teenager but he looks and sounds like Ayn Rand's lovechild gone to seed. Again WTF?
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JVNO posted:What's the typical lag for news stories to impact Trump's approval? The 538 model is not showing any sort of hit from Charleston yet that I can pick out. If I recall correctly, it can take up to 2 weeks. Xibanya posted:Might be because he didn't intend to kill her so much as he intended to kill someone. That's a really dumb distinction to make. Like, if I just fired into a crowd randomly, I shouldn't get a lighter sentence then someone who specifically wanted to kill a particular person. Kale posted:It can still be upgraded to Murder 1 as the investigation continues which it likely will for months still. If there's enough evidence then it'd get upgraded. Murder 1 obviously carries with it a higher burden of proof since you have to prove both the criminal act (the slam dunk part) versus premeditated intent. I'm sure there's some facebook or /pol/ post where the guy incriminated himself before going to the rally though and I assume they already have his computer and permissions to access it all by now. I do like that last point you make, but it's hard not to see this as leniency because of his race. It's still Virginia and they have Virginia "values" if you know what I mean.
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Uglycat posted:I suppose this may be where the two talk past each-other; the magnification of suffering is not a necessary condition for accelerating the /next/ iteration. It is, of course, wisest to have a sense of what you're going to replace an existing system with - before you tear down that existing system. In ideal circumstances, you just make the old system redundant and irrelevant and antiquated until everyone forgets it and it no longer holds any power. But after Bernie's loss at the DNC, facing Hillary (characterized as '8 more years of the same, plus hawkish') or Trump (who is clearly not popular with the GOP, and is very likely to flub the whole job in less than a year, taking down much of the existing federal structure and respect among the general public for the 'Legitimacy' of that federal machine)... Like, not /everybody/ believes that we all enjoy our present state of luxury /because/ of the continued existence of (and general regard for) the US Federal Government Tearing down the existing system and accelerationism are not the same things. I think you're confusing terms.
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Jaxyon posted:Also most black bloc folks I know would laugh at an accellerationist That's a very strange thing in my experience. How large is your sample pool? Might this be an availability bias? Ending the military industrial complex, ending the militarization of police forces, smashing capitalism, breaking the back of fascism... those seem incrementalist?
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Bogatyr posted:Chode that attended a hate rally, complains about "the composition of our country" is surprised to get hate right back at him... literally noone told your whiny, entitled white rear end to show up at a loving hate rally, you losah bitch. Ya pretty wicked smaat.
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Uglycat posted:That's a very strange thing in my experience. How large is your sample pool? Might this be an availability bias? None of those are accelerationism. Those are the things you hope it accomplishes. Accelerationism would be wanting to increase the MIC in the hopes that people will finally have enough and smash it.
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Covok posted:That's a really dumb distinction to make. Like, if I just fired into a crowd randomly, I shouldn't get a lighter sentence then someone who specifically wanted to kill a particular person. 1st degree requires that the murder be premeditated, 2nd degree doesn't. For a prosecutor on this, 2nd should be a slam dunk to get. 1st would be really difficult unless the guy wrote about his intentions ahead of time.
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Covok posted:If I recall correctly, it can take up to 2 weeks. I don't know man, no bail, murder 2, plus 5 additional charges laid today alone doesn't seem like a whole lot of leniency. I was expecting some limp dick vehicular manslaughter charge and bail opportunities cause he's only 20 or some sort of crap justification.
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Jaxyon posted:Tearing down the existing system and accelerationism are not the same things. If you interpret accelerationism as 'nihilism that delights in chaos, and works ever toward it', I think you'll find you're straw-manning the viewpoint. I see 'accelerationism' and 'incrementalism' as on the same gradient as 'conservatism.' Conservativism wants to keep things more or less the same. Incrementalism sees a better world, and wants to build on the present foundations toward that reality. Accelerationism, as I use it anyway, sees the present foundations as condemned, cracked and broken; needing to be cleared away to build a new, functional structure. Accelerationism has a time element, a sort of 'fuse'; for example, global warming. If these 400 parts per million really do put us beyond the brink... well, if there's any hope at all, that hope dwindles by the day. We need /significant/ change in our social structures and physical organization before /winter/. If that's the aim you're working for, and the options are Hillary vs. Trump... a rapid failure taking out the GOP and the Executive seems like the best bet for achieving that aim.
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Uglycat posted:I suppose this may be where the two talk past each-other; the magnification of suffering is not a necessary condition for accelerating the /next/ iteration. It is, of course, wisest to have a sense of what you're going to replace an existing system with - before you tear down that existing system. In ideal circumstances, you just make the old system redundant and irrelevant and antiquated until everyone forgets it and it no longer holds any power. But after Bernie's loss at the DNC, facing Hillary (characterized as '8 more years of the same, plus hawkish') or Trump (who is clearly not popular with the GOP, and is very likely to flub the whole job in less than a year, taking down much of the existing federal structure and respect among the general public for the 'Legitimacy' of that federal machine)... Like, not /everybody/ believes that we all enjoy our present state of luxury /because/ of the continued existence of (and general regard for) the US Federal Government Okay we're talking past each other because you're confusing the end state (the collapse of the current economic and political systems) with the method. If you are advocating for active resistance to a system or actively tearing it down right now, you are not an accelerationist. If you voted for Donald Trump so he could take charge and show everyone just how bad the system is, you are an accelerationist. I don't know the New Statesman's rep, but this article is a pretty decent rundown of it. At least how the term gets used on these forums.
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