Crane Fist posted:

That honestly reads like a joke but internet vegans are beyond satire so uh yeah

Dapper_Swindler posted:

what the gently caress is this insanity?

Badger of Basra posted:

https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/898335878321393665

heh dumb libs worried about nazis

get that OUT of my face posted:

lee fang is a good writer and isn't an establishment lib, but political violence doesn't bring out his best side

sword_man.gif posted:

no loving idea if it's a legitimate loving insane person or a weirdo who acts like a loving insane person in order to make vegans look worse. either is possible.

https://twitter.com/VeganRevoIution/status/898213683012173827

https://twitter.com/VeganRevoIution/status/898006866978111490

Crane Fist posted:

That honestly reads like a joke but internet vegans are beyond satire so uh yeah

BexGu posted:

Byolante posted:

https://twitter.com/brownisthecolor/status/898300601343369217

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Demystifying the historical figures of the past, pulling them off the great mountain top back down to Earth where they shat, farted, spit, pissed, hosed, raped, murdered, died, and rotted seems like important business for this country. As long as we allow those men to be cults of personality who exist beyond reproach, we're never going to be able to see them for all of their good and all of their evil.

breaklaw posted:

Vice artcle is still up.


https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/9kkkby/lets-get-rid-of-mount-rushmore

Dapper_Swindler posted:

He makes some ok points about Americas whole mythology of perfection around our various leaders. Article is eh but makes some points.

FuzzySkinner posted:

The current DNC has no interest in using him as an icon and it's bullshit.

quote:

Sharpe ripped Jackson for saying he hoped all his players would stand for the anthem and for not expressing more support for athletes’ right to protest. He called Jackson a “clown” and added “in the barbershop, he knows what he is.”

“I took issue with what Shannon said and the reason I took issue with it is because he made it appear that he and I had a discussion about this,” Wooten said Thursday. “That’s simply not true. I told him first and foremost, he owes Hue an apology. What he did to Hue is something I would not support, especially the language.”

sword_man.gif posted:

actually, it's your fault for not getting off your rear end and doing hillary's campaign for her

get that OUT of my face posted:

remember when fox sports 1 was going to our escape from ESPN's rotating cast of loud assholes? good times

FuzzySkinner posted:

Trying to think of a good way of saying this.

I think the ideas that guys like FDR, Teddy, Washington and Lincoln are worth idolizing, remembering. They themselves were merely men, and made a lot of mistakes. But there's a lot of ideas that we should, as Americans, as Human Beings take from some of their accomplishments.

I think FDR is currently my favorite president because he was probably the closest we've ever gotten to someone enacting true socialist reforms on various matters in regards to the economy. Social Security and various "New Deal" programs have been his legacy. Those are things I wish this country would go forward with and bring back.

The current DNC has no interest in using him as an icon and it's bullshit. They're more likely to go at Reagan than ever say anything good about the most successful, popular democratic president that has ever lived.

FDR also did interment camps and a lot of those programs didn't help minorities. Those are legitimate criticisms of the man, and it's why he's not the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ. My hope would be when someone looks at those various monuments dedicated to those men that they would feel inspired/compelled to continue the good of what they stood for, and expand on it.

FuzzySkinner posted:

Trying to think of a good way of saying this.

I think the ideas that guys like FDR, Teddy, Washington and Lincoln are worth idolizing, remembering. They themselves were merely men, and made a lot of mistakes. But there's a lot of ideas that we should, as Americans, as Human Beings take from some of their accomplishments.

I think FDR is currently my favorite president because he was probably the closest we've ever gotten to someone enacting true socialist reforms on various matters in regards to the economy. Social Security and various "New Deal" programs have been his legacy. Those are things I wish this country would go forward with and bring back.

The current DNC has no interest in using him as an icon and it's bullshit. They're more likely to go at Reagan than ever say anything good about the most successful, popular democratic president that has ever lived.

FDR also did interment camps and a lot of those programs didn't help minorities. Those are legitimate criticisms of the man, and it's why he's not the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ. My hope would be when someone looks at those various monuments dedicated to those men that they would feel inspired/compelled to continue the good of what they stood for, and expand on it.

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We love to think of the Great as flawless. We yearn in our imperfection toward Perfection–sinful, we envisage Righteousness.

As a result of this, no sooner does a great man die than we begin to whitewash him. We seek to forget all that was small and mean and unpleasant and remember the fine and brave and good. We slur over and explain away his inconsistencies and at last there begins to appear, not the real man, but the tradition of the man–remote, immense, perfect, cold and dead!

This sort of falsehood appeals to some folk. They want to dream their heroes true; they want their heroes all heroic with no feet of clay; and they are astonished, angered, hurt if some one speaks the grim, forgotten truth. They can see but one motive for such digging up of filth, for such evil speaking of the dead–and that is prurient love of evil.

....

Abraham Lincoln was perhaps the greatest figure of the nineteenth century... And I love him not because he was perfect but because he was not and yet triumphed. The world is full of illegitimate children. The world is full of folk whose taste was educated in the gutter. The world is full of people born hating and despising their fellows. To these I love to say: See this man. He was one of you and yet he became Abraham Lincoln.


...Others may refuse to believe his taste in jokes and political maneuvers and list him as an original abolitionist and defender of Negroes. But personally I revere him the more because up out of his contradictions and inconsistencies he fought his way to the pinnacles of earth and his fight was within as well as without. I care more for Lincoln’s great toe than for the whole body of the perfect George Washington, of spotless ancestry, who “never told a lie” and never did anything else interesting.

No! I do not love evil as evil; I do not retail foul gossip about either the living or the dead; but I glory in that crucified humanity that can push itself up out of the mud of a miserable, dirty ancestry; who despite the clinging smirch of low tastes and shifty political methods, rose to be a great and good man and the noblest friend of the slave.

Do my colored friends really believe the picture would be fairer and finer if we forgot Lincoln’s unfortunate speech at Charleston, Illinois, in 1858? I commend that speech to the editors who have been having hysterics. Abraham Lincoln said:

"I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races–that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to inter-marry with white people; and I will say in addition to this, that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

This was Lincoln’s word in 1858. Five years later he declared that black slaves “are and henceforward shall be free.” And in 1864 he was writing to Hahn of Louisiana in favor of Negro suffrage.

The difficulty is that ignorant folk and inexperienced try continually to paint humanity as all good or all evil. Was Lincoln great and good? He was! Well, then, all evil alleged against him are malicious lies, even if they are true.

“Why should you wish to hold up to public gaze those defects of character you claim he possessed, knowing that he wrought so well?”

That is the very reason for telling the Truth. That is the reason for painting Cromwell’s mole as it was and not as some artists conceive it ought to have been.

The scars and foibles and contradictions of the Great do not diminish but enhance the worth and meaning of their upward struggle: it was the bloody sweat that proved the human Christ divine; it was his true history and antecedents that proved Abraham Lincoln a Prince of Men.

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.."My forebears were Confederates.… Every factor and influence in my background—and in my wife’s for that matter—would foster the personal belief that you are right.

But my very stomach turned over when I learned that Negro soldiers, just back from overseas, were being dumped out of Army trucks in Mississippi and beaten.

Whatever my inclinations as a native of Missouri might have been, as President I know this is bad. I shall fight to end evils like this.”...

Truman’s reading in history and in documents such as the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights had led him to question the assumptions on which he was raised. He acted as he did not because he believed in the social equality of the races, not because he was “anti-South,” but because he took solemnly the oath he had sworn to sustain the Constitution.

As a border-state Democrat Truman carried within him the conflicts that divided not only Missouri but the country. He had been nurtured on the valor of Robert E. Lee, the iniquity of the Union raiders, the melancholia of the Lost Cause. Only someone who understood himself to be a Southerner could have felt such empathy for the traditions of the South. Yet he also had a schoolboy’s love of the history not of a section but of a nation, took pride in having been a doughboy in the Army of the United States of America, and viewed the Constitution as sacred text. That nationalist theme, a minor one when he was a child, was the one that prevailed in the end. As a consequence Truman permanently altered the character of Southern politics. For the first time since Reconstruction, he made civil rights a proper concern for the national government, and for the first time ever the Democratic party became the main protagonist for the rights of blacks. The South, and the nation, would never be the same again.

Dapper_Swindler posted:

pretty much. i am history major and you learn that poo poo right away. i am gonna sound like an alt right dipshit but i dont like the politicization history(and no its the the "evil sjw liberals/colleges doing it) its bad ways of saying it. its more, i hate the super black and white duality alot of people use as lense, left and right.(and the left left does it too, zinn included, he is great starting point for learning a more populist history and the pulling back the myth making, but he makes every rich guy in history the evilest gently caress who ever lived and goes AmerKKKa alot, he isnt wrong persay but he will make sorta lovely people look like magical angels just as much as the right does.)

Like i love Teddy Roosevelt even though i am pretty left leaning guy. he did a lot of lovely things but he also did alot of good that pushed progressive ideas even if he wasnt debs. and stuff evolves over time, for example the animal conservation movement. for a long time speciese were mostly being conserved through taxadermy or drawings. hell most of the conservationists thought this was good thing, they assumed animals would all be killed off for fashion trends or hunting or art. so they decided it would be best to keep them preserved so when they were all dead we would know what they looked like. eventualy a bunch them realized there mistakes and modern conservation was born. history is complex like that.

basicaly the right tries to make all these people magical super christian saints who did all that was right and good, and the left take issue with that. the problem is part of the left burried it self up its own rear end in a top hat so basicaly you have to be sinless to not be "problamatic" and teachable. its probably why they like fictional brands so much.

OWLS! posted:

Boston is a city generally deserving of mockery, whether it's for the blatant governmental corruption, the cronyism, or the attitude of the locals.

But lol at people wigging out at a bunch of libertarians apparently having a rally for free speech.

sword_man.gif posted:

i'm not mocking the protest that's fine, just specifically the horcruxes dipshit because stop associating actual real life things with a loving book about wizards

steinrokkan posted:

Maybe they will pick up some actual politics by participating ?

OWLS! posted:

Don't have to pick up politics when you're pretty much the face of the political affiliation. (I'd say movement, but it isn't really a movement per se)

steinrokkan posted:

I mean getting surrounded by people with more assertive agendas than Harry Potter might expose the superficiality of the liberal belief system. But realistically confirmation bias will kill off any possibility of learning from an individual event.

OWLS! posted:

The actual hardcore punch-nazis-patch-on-work-backpack, card-carrying-socialist lefties I know actually espouse the political value and ~meaning~ of harry potter.

OWLS! posted:

The actual hardcore punch-nazis-patch-on-work-backpack, card-carrying-socialist lefties I know actually espouse the political value and ~meaning~ of harry potter.

(lol american leftism)