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ProfessorCirno posted:Bill Webb literally injured a Paizo employee at their con because they were trying to stop him from harassing someone. That's incredibly lovely.
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ProfessorCirno posted:I'm not saying the hobby or industry is faring poorly, I'm saying forums and their (bad) award shows are. Then they are not gatekeeping the community.
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Aug 20, 2017 14:33
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In fact why do you guys even care if an imbecilic Charlie and the Chocolate Factory pastiche won an award if the only people who may be aware of it are the inhabitants of a dying forum centered on North America instead of the global TTRPG community as a whole, who is moving towards another directions.
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Aug 20, 2017 14:37
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You sort of answered your own question there.
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Aug 20, 2017 15:18
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ProfessorCirno posted:The ENnies have always been hilariously corrupt. Previously, it was just D&D winning everything every time. Then 4e came out, and it became Pathfinder winning everything. Near the end of 4e's era, the OSR all but took over EN World, and since then, you get a few good awards...and then the inevitable OSR shitshow. They put out Tales of the Yawning Portal this year. I guess that was enough to get the Fan's Choice for Best Publisher and for the book to win a Judge's spotlight.  They have a couple of other books scheduled to come out in September and November, too, but lol. One Paizo product was nominated but didn't win (Pathfinder Pawns: Villain Codex Box). I think that there are a lot of decent products put out with old-school rules and made by decent people, but I have no idea how connected they are to the clique within the OSR community that includes toxic people. Absolutely more should be done to expunge toxic elements from an industry, but there's plenty of people across internet groups that are willing to ignore or dismiss it to avoid drama/appear "professional"/they don't like the "tone" of the conversation or whatever. I don't know what can be done besides continuing to call it out every time it happens and hope more people listen until it hits critical mass? Plutonis posted:In fact why do you guys even care if an imbecilic Charlie and the Chocolate Factory pastiche won an award if the only people who may be aware of it are the inhabitants of a dying forum centered on North America instead of the global TTRPG community as a whole, who is moving towards another directions. it's a poorly designed adventure even if you put all the bad fluff aside, but it's true that the awards are pretty irrelevant. What are the global trends in ttrpg communities?
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Aug 20, 2017 15:45
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Yeah, if nothing else it would probably fall under the site rule against "importing cross-forum drama" since it's a dedicated enworld award. FWIW, the cross-forum drama thing doesn't apply if there's no drama. You could talk about the ENies (probably even the inflation adventure) as long as it didn't turn into boy, those ENWorld posters are a bunch of silly fellows aren't they or something.
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Aug 20, 2017 15:47
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Also, it looks like the Industry Thread is also having ENnies chat, so you should probably take it there.
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Aug 20, 2017 16:11
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Nuns with Guns posted:What are the global trends in ttrpg communities? based on the samples I've spoken to, free-form anime and game of thrones roleplay threads
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Aug 20, 2017 17:04
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Mr.Misfit posted:Wasnīt there some sorta thread or something about how many members and growth different internet resources have compared to each other? From...like 2015 or somewhere around that date, that showcased that most internet action is actually beyond the circles of SA and rpg.NET and instead goes on at pages like...I donīt know storyteller-games.com or something like that? Are you sure? I checked story-games.com and it seemed pretty dead.
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Aug 20, 2017 17:30
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Countblanc posted:based on the samples I've spoken to, free-form anime and game of thrones roleplay threads Same as it ever was. Same as it ever was. Same as it ever was.
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Aug 20, 2017 17:54
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Countblanc posted:based on the samples I've spoken to, free-form anime and game of thrones roleplay threads Freeform/fandom RPing has always been a thing, but separated from tabletop RPGs. Have there been more attempts at integration or adapting RPGs into freeform spaces?
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Aug 20, 2017 18:05
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Nuns with Guns posted:Freeform/fandom RPing has always been a thing, but separated from tabletop RPGs. Have there been more attempts at integration or adapting RPGs into freeform spaces? I've never understood those. 90% of them seem to break down within a few posts or weeks at most, yet people hammer away at them.
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Aug 20, 2017 18:11
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hyphz posted:I've never understood those. 90% of them seem to break down within a few posts or weeks at most, yet people hammer away at them. Sounds like a typical pbp experience to me
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Aug 20, 2017 18:12
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hyphz posted:I've never understood those. 90% of them seem to break down within a few posts or weeks at most, yet people hammer away at them. Back in the usenet days there were a few free form RP threads that went on for literally years
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Aug 20, 2017 18:15
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Covok posted:Are you sure? I checked story-games.com and it seemed pretty dead. Thatīs the problem with memory. Iīm sure it was some sorta page named like that, but I donīt exactly remember. Iīll have to hunt down the article in question again I suppose, because it was a really fascinating look at some numbers which you usually donīt get because people donīt like to be reminded of their diminishing importance, especially on trpg-forums.
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Aug 20, 2017 18:27
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Andrast posted:Sounds like a typical pbp experience to me That's what's so odd. There's whole fora of freeform RPs that never get beyond intros with anime pictures or starters, yet the same people start them over and over. Nobody ever says "hey guys, this isn't working". What are they looking for/hoping for?
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Aug 20, 2017 18:34
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hyphz posted:What are they looking for/hoping for? Problem is that they all want to be the extra special main character of the universe so anyone not playing into that is an rear end in a top hat godmoding funhater
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Aug 20, 2017 18:39
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hyphz posted:I've never understood those. 90% of them seem to break down within a few posts or weeks at most, yet people hammer away at them. I've never done freeform stuff either, but friends who have make it sound like the motivation to do it is the same as lot of RPG players: wish fulfillment/power fantasies. Except with no rules, or at most some basic stats and a few dice rolls to adjudicate fights that break out. And it's usually set in a specific fandom's universe where people play their favorite characters or self-inserts.
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Aug 20, 2017 18:40
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Nuns with Guns posted:I've never done freeform stuff either, but friends who have make it sound like the motivation to do it is the same as lot of RPG players: wish fulfillment/power fantasies. Except with no rules, or at most some basic stats and a few dice rolls to adjudicate fights that break out. And it's usually set in a specific fandom's universe where people play their favorite characters or self-inserts. I mean, it's as good a use of your time as "serious" RPing.
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Aug 20, 2017 18:44
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Yawgmoth posted:They want to RP their mary sue being the extra special awesome main character of the universe and have everyone else fawn over how amazing and wonderful they are Oh god, memories of Second Life freeform role players. Which is exactly the same except one or all of the people involved are paying $195/month for hosting the zone. GOMO and drama everywhere.
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Aug 20, 2017 18:46
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Plutonis posted:I mean, it's as good a use of your time as "serious" RPing. No, I agree. There's not much difference in freeform RPing online vs playing an RPG.
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Aug 20, 2017 18:48
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hyphz posted:Oh god, memories of Second Life freeform role players. Which is exactly the same except one or all of the people involved are paying $195/month for hosting the zone. GOMO and drama everywhere.
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Aug 20, 2017 19:03
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hyphz posted:What are they looking for/hoping for? Speaking as a terminal PBP flake, I want to do more gaming than I even remotely have time for. The idea of a game I can post in in my free time here and there (or at work) is great but inevitably I hit a part where life goes crazy or I run out of ideas and don't post for a week, and once the momentum's gone that's it.
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Aug 20, 2017 19:26
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gradenko_2000 posted:It looks like the Warhammer 40k books are back in drivethrurpg as PDFs: A half-gigabyte rulebook is certainly something.
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Aug 20, 2017 19:30
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Mr.Misfit posted:Thatīs the problem with memory. Iīm sure it was some sorta page named like that, but I donīt exactly remember. Iīll have to hunt down the article in question again I suppose, because it was a really fascinating look at some numbers which you usually donīt get because people donīt like to be reminded of their diminishing importance, especially on trpg-forums. If you can find it, that'd be useful. It'd be cool to get in on this hip-new TRPG scene and talk some brass tacks with hip young people. I'm not old.
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Aug 20, 2017 21:37
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ProfessorCirno posted:Bill Webb literally injured a Paizo employee at their con because they were trying to stop him from harassing someone. I'd like to hear more about this if you have anything you can point me to because this is in fact incredibly lovely and the first I've heard of it.
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Aug 20, 2017 21:41
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Reene posted:I'd like to hear more about this if you have anything you can point me to because this is in fact incredibly lovely and the first I've heard of it. https://twitter.com/Sphynxian/status/882439561237995520 Freelancer who works with Paizo. Some people from other cons in the thread that it's really not out of character for Webb at all.
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Aug 20, 2017 21:52
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Thanks for the info. Fortunately my group doesn't own anything he's made but it's good to be aware.
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So, some of you may know I run a Marvel Heroic Roleplaying game on Saturday. Some of you may also know that I recently recruiter 3 SA posters because two of the players...well, let's go into it. It's after Charolettesville's Nazi march. A political discussion impromtu starts in the discord. It is mostly civil with everyone condeming the Nazis. Flashforward, a few days later. Trump walks back his condemnation of the Nazis. This leads to some players bringing it up in the discord and..chaos reigns. It goes from "republicans have no voice in government and constantly under attack: we are the real minority" to "I'm afraid to come out as republican" to "the google guy was fired for wrong reasons: men and women are biologically different and that's why women choose not to work in tech" to "parents are forcing their kids to come out as transgender to be trendy" to "kids shouldn't be thinking of gender identity or sexual orientation: they're kids, their innocent, they're not perverts!" to "well, I identify as a ghostpiraterobot and if you disagree with me, I'll throw a tantrum, triggered yet?" and, that's when I kicked and banned the two players spouting all this bullshit. Should have done it sooner, but I got wrapped up in arguing with them. One of them quietly left and has said nothing. The other has begun to harass my players into to talking to me on his behalf, which I ignored doing and told them to block him. Not once, but twice. First time was the next day and then, again, the day of the next session. Used the fact I forgot to kick him on roll20 to try to join the game as if he wasn't banned from it and started trying to play: I kicked him from the roll20. And, now, a day later from kicking him from the roll20, I'm starting to get private messages on Roll20. And, it was...comical.  His new avatar looked weird so, when I went to block him, I noticed something:  If you can't see, outside the context and substance of the comic itself, it also seems to be from something called "AntiFemComics." Really loving "Shot and chaser" there with the "no you are a bigot" and a MRA comic as your avatar. Edit: For the record, I was already considering kicking this guy because he was pulling some poo poo already. He was kind of whiny in the game itself -- I spend a plot point to have the Doom Pool succeed on the roll and got "oh, come on, please: this is bullshit! Come on, don't do this! I want to win! Come on" till I relented --, brought up bullshit mid-game like "wow, all those people who love diversity in comics seem to forget we had a black Captain Marvel in the 70s" which happened the session before Charolettesville, and refused to work within the constraints of the system like "but, why can't I just increase my stats forever? Yeah, I get that MHR isn't that kind of game and it's not about vertical advancement but I want to advance all my stats to d12s, come on, come on, let me do it, come on, come on!" Edit Edit: I'm also laughing a bit to myself because I bet his "you are a bigot, not me" line is trying to say that I banned him for being white or male or Christians or whatever and not because he was a whiny brat who caused problems in the game and has poo poo views that demonize people for existing. Covok fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Aug 20, 2017 |
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Aug 20, 2017 22:14
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Andrast posted:Godbound is good I kickstarted it and I have played four sessions of it so far and I can already see quite a few flaws. The main problem is the same with other games that explicitly model powerful characters - it becomes incredibly hard to properly gauge the opposition without accidentally having battles become totally one sided for or against the characters. Combat ended up kind of rocket tag-gy for my players in that the battles ended almost instantly or turned into a slog that they might never win. The words have some balance issues that could probably get ironed out with some careful rewriting, but as of now things like Sword are explicitly less powerful than Bow, and both are basically inferior to several non-combat words that can sidestep fights entirely. There are other problems that I've read about but have not yet experienced about higher level fights and how many statblocks for 'mundane' enemies make no sense and are absurdly powerful in comparison to your godbound. My point is that as much as I want to like the game, using OSR mechanics would maybe work for one on one play or, perhaps, two godbound at most. Once you get a party of four or five players with three words each going the possibilities and interactions are basically limitless and make it impossible for a GM to quickly react while also reacting with proper threats. I will be perfectly honest in saying that I am not a good enough GM to react on the fly to some of these things in a way that was still entertaining and I doubt that too many GMs are. I feel that something more rules light is probably the only way to go in a game like this, Exalted be damned.
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Covok, Don't play with teenagers. If these dudes weren't teenagers, then that's just repulsive. Teenagers can sort of be forgiven for having idiot views temporarily because they are sheltered and ignorant. Adults have no excuse. Good job on how you handled it. Let them find another game - you don't need to tolerate that poo poo.
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Aug 20, 2017 23:58
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Posted on my blog for The Next Project again, finally. Some mechanical upgrades are needed for the d4 classes, so that's the topic of today's post.
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Crawford's work seems to be good in spite of being OSR rather than being because of it. Like, he has a lot of GM support and random generators and setting material, but honestly Silent Legions could have been written as a PBTA game or a d20 game and be just as good, and while I leaned heavily on Stars Without Numbers's generators for plot, I still ran it with Classic Traveller.
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Aug 21, 2017 00:41
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Jimbozig posted:Covok, His voice was one of those weird nerd voices where it's hard to say with confidence if he was 15 or 45. I'd say likely 20-something. The other guy, not "T", was definitely mid-twenties to early thirties, though, and a Canadian conservative. And, yeah, ever since a very bad game of 5e D&D I have got 0 tolerance for this bullshit. Maybe it was that game or maybe it was because I was turning 22 and out-of-college and had finally realized my friends in college were dirtbags, but I have lost all my tolerance for putting up with this kind of bullshit. If someone acts this way, I just sever ties and move on: no point in dealing with crap like that anymore.
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hyphz posted:I've never understood those. 90% of them seem to break down within a few posts or weeks at most, yet people hammer away at them. Freeform RP groups is this iceberg of enormous ongoing groups and a visible set of new ones and failures. I know someone who ran a random one about wild pokemon that had hundreds of players and like 50,000 game posts on a yahoo group of all things.
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xiw posted:Freeform RP groups is this iceberg of enormous ongoing groups and a visible set of new ones and failures. I know someone who ran a random one about wild pokemon that had hundreds of players and like 50,000 game posts on a yahoo group of all things. I remember going to one as a teenager and left a few months later and went on to look at it again ten years later and while it ended, it ended... After half a decade.
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P.d0t posted:Posted on my blog for The Next Project again, finally. This is some interesting stuff, I've been following this project loosely for a while and wish you good luck with hashing all this out. I'll definitely try to join in on the next playtest.
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Aug 21, 2017 01:29
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Kwyndig posted:Yeah we need a real community award that won't just suckle at the teat of the Wizards/Paizo. The problem is there aren't any groups willing to take the job up who could do a good job and manage to be widespread enough to matter. (I could start an awards ceremony tomorrow but without a convention presence i might as well not exist.) I eagerly await the 2017 Kwyndig TG Awards.
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Hey goonfriends, Anyone had a chance to try out the TORG Eternity rules that came out from the Kickstarter yet? I've got them myself, but I really want to play it and not run it. I might need to run a one shot for my group in attempt to convince them that TORG is supreme and they should let me be a dick head wizard.
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