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So I'm having a debate with myself for what to use to ferry some Black Templars across the board. I'm currently trying to decide between a Stormraven or a Landraider Crusader. I'm thinking the Stormraven would be better on the table, but the Crusader is more fluffy.
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# ? Aug 22, 2017 20:56 |
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# ? May 16, 2024 06:56 |
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Floppychop posted:So I'm having a debate with myself for what to use to ferry some Black Templars across the board. I'm currently trying to decide between a Stormraven or a Landraider Crusader. Never don't Crusader for Black Templars. It's too cool not to.
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# ? Aug 22, 2017 21:02 |
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To be completely honest, I don't see AdMech getting much of a release this time around. They're going to be coming right after Death Guard and their release window will probably walk all over AdMech's. They might get Cawl separated from the Triumvirate box. That's all I'd be willing to bet on. It kind of sucks because they're such a new army that there are holes in their range, but GW's pretty focused on getting books out right now.Floppychop posted:So I'm having a debate with myself for what to use to ferry some Black Templars across the board. I'm currently trying to decide between a Stormraven or a Landraider Crusader.
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# ? Aug 22, 2017 21:03 |
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Safety Factor posted:To be completely honest, I don't see AdMech getting much of a release this time around. They're going to be coming right after Death Guard and their release window will probably walk all over AdMech's. They might get Cawl separated from the Triumvirate box. That's all I'd be willing to bet on. It kind of sucks because they're such a new army that there are holes in their range, but GW's pretty focused on getting books out right now. Yeah, I agree. Though I think "Getting books out there" is the way to go right now, particularly if they keep this pace up and hit all the codexes by mid next-year.
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# ? Aug 22, 2017 21:06 |
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Safety Factor posted:To be completely honest, I don't see AdMech getting much of a release this time around. They're going to be coming right after Death Guard and their release window will probably walk all over AdMech's. They might get Cawl separated from the Triumvirate box. That's all I'd be willing to bet on. It kind of sucks because they're such a new army that there are holes in their range, but GW's pretty focused on getting books out right now. This is why I was thinking they might be getting new releases, because it's right after the Death Guard. I hope so anyway. Guess we'll find out in a month! (Not that I can afford it. I just spent like 200 on my Custodes force). Also, thirding the Crusader. You can't take Templars and not take a Crusader.
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# ? Aug 22, 2017 21:06 |
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TheChirurgeon posted:Yeah, I agree. Though I think "Getting books out there" is the way to go right now, particularly if they keep this pace up and hit all the codexes by mid next-year. I wonder what they do after that, though. Traditionally once all the codexes are out its new edition time, but obviously that's not the case anymore. So in a year, maybe 18 months, when we have ~25 codexes and they are all done, what do they put out every month?
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# ? Aug 22, 2017 21:07 |
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JoshTheStampede posted:So in a year, maybe 18 months, when we have ~25 codexes and they are all done, what do they put out every month?
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# ? Aug 22, 2017 21:08 |
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Ilor posted:9th Edition. Yeah, I made that joke too. But really, the Chapter Approved/General's Handbook approach is designed to make an edition last longer, so even if they were The Old GW they'd still not mix those approaches I think.
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# ? Aug 22, 2017 21:09 |
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JoshTheStampede posted:I wonder what they do after that, though. Traditionally once all the codexes are out its new edition time, but obviously that's not the case anymore. I think that's where we start to see more updates to old factions, just done without a new codex to accompany them. Probably a campaign/warzone books that let them update multiple factions at once with 1-2 units apiece
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# ? Aug 22, 2017 21:16 |
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Safety Factor posted:Land Raider Crusader. More capacity, tougher, and a complete monster. I ran one in a 3-game tournament the other week and stuffed it full of Deathwing Knights, Belial, and a Deathwing Ancient. I'd just charge in with the Crusader, unload the terminators and go to town. Stormraven is still 14 wounds. Toughness and save is 1 worse, but wouldn't the -1 to hit compensate for that? Their armaments are very similar as well. Crusader can get a bonus stormbolter, but otherwise it's multimelta vs the Stormstrike launchers. Crusader wins the cool factor, but being able to dump 12 dudes and a Dread in charge range almost wherever I want on on Turn 2 seems big.
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# ? Aug 22, 2017 21:17 |
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JoshTheStampede posted:A disgusting yet revitalizing soda may be the thematic key for my Nurgle/Slaanesh team-up army... Papa Nurgle's Watermellon Slaanesh SeXPunch!™ It's Disgustingly Resilient!
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# ? Aug 22, 2017 21:18 |
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Floppychop posted:Stormraven is still 14 wounds. Toughness and save is 1 worse, but wouldn't the -1 to hit compensate for that? Their armaments are very similar as well. Crusader can get a bonus stormbolter, but otherwise it's multimelta vs the Stormstrike launchers. The crusader is noticeably tougher and holds more guys, which may matter for BTs with their big mixed squads. But you're right, the Raven puts out more offence and can carry a dread, which puts it ahead most of the time for me.
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# ? Aug 22, 2017 21:19 |
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Floppychop posted:Stormraven is still 14 wounds. Toughness and save is 1 worse, but wouldn't the -1 to hit compensate for that? Their armaments are very similar as well. Crusader can get a bonus stormbolter, but otherwise it's multimelta vs the Stormstrike launchers. Don't get me wrong, the stormraven is totally fine, but I think I prefer the LRC. Can't say for sure though as I don't have any first-hand experience. Dark Angels can't take stormravens.
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# ? Aug 22, 2017 21:25 |
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JoshTheStampede posted:The crusader is noticeably tougher and holds more guys, which may matter for BTs with their big mixed squads. But you're right, the Raven puts out more offence and can carry a dread, which puts it ahead most of the time for me. I suppose saying who I want to carry might help any advice. I'm thinking of putting Helbrecht (or a captain), Emperor's champion, an Apothecary, and a Company Veteran squad. The rest of the capacity I'll fill with what fits. Maybe a Lieutenant or more veterans, or a small crusader squad if the space is available.
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# ? Aug 22, 2017 21:25 |
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Speaking of big expensive units, I am on the cusp of ordering a Leviathan Dread, maybe 2. Anyone have experience playing with one or assembling it? Anything I should look out for? I recommend the Raven over the Crusader for one simply reason, the raven won't be prevented from shooting if it gets charged.
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# ? Aug 22, 2017 21:26 |
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To be honest I'll probably end up owning both at some point. Especially if I get the Stormraven first. I got the BT upgrade kit and I wouldn't want the pretty Landraider doors to go to waste.
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# ? Aug 22, 2017 21:31 |
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Floppychop posted:To be honest I'll probably end up owning both at some point. Especially if I get the Stormraven first. I got the BT upgrade kit and I wouldn't want the pretty Landraider doors to go to waste. Long term I'd say get both, but in the short term go for the rule of cool. They'd be pretty similar in how useful they are, and the landraider fits so much better for BT it's hard for me to seriously consider another alternative.
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# ? Aug 22, 2017 21:36 |
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Uroboros posted:Speaking of big expensive units, I am on the cusp of ordering a Leviathan Dread, maybe 2. Anyone have experience playing with one or assembling it? Anything I should look out for? Mine assembled really easily, and as far as playing with a melta Lance and siege drill it murders everything it sees. Easily my favorite model in my army. Almost a must take, but 360 points is a lot and it seems a bit too powerful.
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# ? Aug 22, 2017 21:44 |
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I won a game tonight against CSM. I played like poo poo, but then he killed a Razorback and I used a CP to reroll the explosion dice. Got a 6 which: Killed Kharn Killed 5 Berzerkers Killed my other Razorback Put 3 wounds on Pedro Put 2 wounds on my LT Killed 2 Chaos bikes Put 2 wounds on his Exalted Champ Put 2 wounds on two of my Predators It was the single most effective thing I did all game, although my Predator one-shotting a Knight was a close second.
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# ? Aug 22, 2017 22:45 |
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Corrode posted:I won a game tonight against CSM. I played like poo poo, but then he killed a Razorback and I used a CP to reroll the explosion dice. Got a 6 which: I really enjoy how dangerous things like vehicles exploding or a psyker rolling perils are these days. I really, really enjoy that you can use a command point to re-roll that result so you don't feel like you lose a good chunk of your army to something that's basically out of your control.
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# ? Aug 22, 2017 23:12 |
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Corrode posted:I won a game tonight against CSM. I played like poo poo, but then he killed a Razorback and I used a CP to reroll the explosion dice. Got a 6 which: A Good Example as to why putting characters in transports can be risky now.
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# ? Aug 22, 2017 23:12 |
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If you're comparing the survivability of a Storm Raven vs a Land Raider, the fact that most units cannot assault a Storm Raven, and that it can fly away from things that can, and still shoot, is by FAR a bigger defensive boost for a Storm Raven than the -1 to hit. Mobility is also a pretty big help for getting out of range of dangerous things. A land raider moving out of melta range is probably going to find itself right back in melta range on the next turn, while the Storm Raven can get the hell away.
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# ? Aug 22, 2017 23:19 |
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Safety Factor posted:To be completely honest, I don't see AdMech getting much of a release this time around. They're going to be coming right after Death Guard and their release window will probably walk all over AdMech's. They might get Cawl separated from the Triumvirate box. That's all I'd be willing to bet on. It kind of sucks because they're such a new army that there are holes in their range, but GW's pretty focused on getting books out right now. Mmm, I don't know. The contention was that the AdMech already had more stuff in the pipeline that was pushed back to make way for 8th.
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# ? Aug 22, 2017 23:48 |
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DumbparameciuM posted:A Good Example as to why putting characters in transports can be risky now. Speaking of both this AND expensive units, I really want to use a unit of meganobz, but oh my god they're so slow, but like hell am I putting them in a trukk because that's a massive "SHOOT HERE" sign. But putting them in a wagon basically doubles their cost. I just want to field some Ded 'Ard Lads
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# ? Aug 22, 2017 23:48 |
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Booley posted:Mine assembled really easily, and as far as playing with a melta Lance and siege drill it murders everything it sees. Easily my favorite model in my army. Almost a must take, but 360 points is a lot and it seems a bit too powerful. Awesome, I was going to with double Grav flux or stormcannon since as Ultras it can step out of combat and just lay into people.
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# ? Aug 23, 2017 00:16 |
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:Speaking of both this AND expensive units, I really want to use a unit of meganobz, but oh my god they're so slow, but like hell am I putting them in a trukk because that's a massive "SHOOT HERE" sign. But putting them in a wagon basically doubles their cost. Teleport them with a Weirdboy.
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# ? Aug 23, 2017 00:35 |
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Uroboros posted:Teleport them with a Weirdboy. Teleport them with a Weirdboy surrounded by thirty other boyz. Boom, 3+ on 2d6 to cast!
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# ? Aug 23, 2017 00:38 |
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Teleport them with a Weirdboy surrounded by thirty other boyz. Boom, 3+ on 2d6 to cast! You just have to worry about blowing up.
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# ? Aug 23, 2017 00:41 |
Floppychop posted:You just have to worry about blowing up. Worrying is for grots.
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# ? Aug 23, 2017 00:43 |
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Floppychop posted:You just have to worry about blowing up. If you're worried, Orks might not be the army for you! Push da button
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# ? Aug 23, 2017 01:03 |
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I guess worry was the wrong word. I should have said plan on it blowing up. If I had enough Grots I'd make a grot and weirdboy list. Mash them up front and use the grots to supercharge the weirdboys into doing a perils of the warp intentionally while they're in range of enemy units.
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# ? Aug 23, 2017 01:21 |
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OMG ADMECH CODEX! I'm so insanely over-stoked about this! I really won't be able to think about much else this month, because I have a stupid obsessive brain, even though I don't even play that much. Can anyone suggest any rumours (other than those old BOLS ones about new models) as to what might be in? No matter HOW spurious, ANY speculation at all is like mana to me right now
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# ? Aug 23, 2017 02:57 |
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Any idea when we're gonna get Xenos stuff? My Tyranid and Ork friends are itching for some real poo poo
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# ? Aug 23, 2017 03:02 |
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goose willis posted:Any idea when we're gonna get Xenos stuff? My Tyranid and Ork friends are itching for some real poo poo There's a Blood Angel book called "The Devasation of Baal" coming out in November detailing the fight against the Tyranids there. Bolter and Chainsword is pretty sure the BA codex will release somewhere near this, and it would make some sense to see the Tyranids alongside. Obviously this is just conjecture.
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# ? Aug 23, 2017 03:14 |
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I hope the Admech codex has some new HQs. It's a bit rough having just Cawl and the Dominus
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# ? Aug 23, 2017 03:56 |
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Endman posted:I hope the Admech codex has some new HQs. It's a bit rough having just Cawl and the Dominus Still hoping they make the Enginseer into a mini HQ, I grabbed and painted one just a while ago, love the model.
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# ? Aug 23, 2017 04:04 |
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!Klams posted:OMG ADMECH CODEX! I'm so insanely over-stoked about this! I really won't be able to think about much else this month, because I have a stupid obsessive brain, even though I don't even play that much. Can anyone suggest any rumours (other than those old BOLS ones about new models) as to what might be in? No matter HOW spurious, ANY speculation at all is like mana to me right now There's mounting evidence that AdMech will merge with the T'au and begin fielding their own battlesuits. They're described as sort of a mashup of the current XV-8s and the Kastelans.
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# ? Aug 23, 2017 05:19 |
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Also... get ready for this poo poo... TWO lances for the dragoons!
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# ? Aug 23, 2017 05:21 |
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Floppychop posted:You just have to worry about blowing up. Weirdboyz have enough wounds that they can't die from their first peril. After that it's just gravy.
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# ? Aug 23, 2017 05:28 |
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Endman posted:I hope the Admech codex has some new HQs. It's a bit rough having just Cawl and the Dominus I only care about having Cawl for them sweet, sweet re-rolls. My techpriest is just around to heal wounds on my 2nd Kastelan.
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# ? Aug 23, 2017 05:28 |