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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Because you idiots couldn't agree with someone that holds 99% of your values, and gladly advocated for my death? You think you're going to convince people that don't agree with you? You do know you need a majority to win an election right? You let one or two idiots in this thread form your view of all of us. I don't want your death, okay? I disavow!
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Because you idiots couldn't agree with someone that holds 99% of your values, and gladly advocated for my death? You think you're going to convince people that don't agree with you? You do know you need a majority to win an election right? So you're just stupid. I see. I'll make a note in my posting chart that loam is just stupid and not well-off.
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Aug 22, 2017 23:34
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WampaLord posted:Speak for yourself, bougie scum, I'm working class as gently caress. Heck Yes! Loam! posted:We should start with improving things instead of burning them down and rebuilding.... TO take what we have for granted without understanding what was fought for and sacrificed by those that came before you his pretty hubristic. NewForumSoftware posted:It matters because for all of the "the left is growing!" I don't see much evidence of out outside of twitter and forums posts. There is better political engagement on the left compared to during Obama's term, but the same was true when GWB was in office.
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Cerebral Bore posted:I'm just wondering how out of touch you have to be to think that the whole "nobody will vote for leftist ideas" scaremongering will still work after the centrists have blown it as hard as humanly possible. It's almost like you're too dumb to understand. I vote for the same ideas you do! The problem isn't people like me no matter how much you want it to be. I never said people wouldn't vote for leftist ideas, I in fact said the opposite when i informed you that i had voted for these ideas. I just think you'll never form a majority of people that agree with you when you can't stop advocating for the deaths of people that agree with you. I think this thread is a very good case study of what is wrong with the left, and why people who advocate for positions we think are good, don't trust us to actually implement those things without killing people, or failing due to ideological purity purges.
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Aug 22, 2017 23:38
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:
Your party basically exists to funnel contribution money to a professional grifter class of pollsters, bureaucrats and middle managers while making GBS threads on anyone who wants to accomplish any worthwhile goal through political power. gently caress, Obama actually put shitlord extraordinaire [/]Billy Tauzin[/b] (the guy behind the laws that forbid drug reimportation and price haggling for Medicare) in a campaign ad as a symbol of all that was wrong with the system for health care, then called the same scumbag to the White house a dozen times in six months to help craft the ACA before sending him home with a multimillionaire payoff. And when he had to resort to reconcilitiation anyway, he didn't change anything on the bill because dammit, those hucksters won their cash fair and square! No wonder you guys love incrementalism so much. Each incremental step is another opportunity to collect bribes while changing almost nothing.
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Aug 22, 2017 23:39
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:It's almost like you're too dumb to understand. I vote for the same ideas you do! The problem isn't people like me no matter how much you want it to be. I never said people wouldn't vote for leftist ideas, I in fact said the opposite when i informed you that i had voted for these ideas. I just think you'll never form a majority of people that agree with you when you can't stop advocating for the deaths of people that agree with you. If you're basing your perception of the left off this thread you've already made a huge mistake.
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Aug 22, 2017 23:40
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WampaLord posted:You let one or two idiots in this thread form your view of all of us. I don't want your death, okay? I disavow! This is why i took you off ignore. I realized you were pretty sincere and not terrible. So thanks! 
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Aug 22, 2017 23:40
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I think this thread is a very good case study of what is wrong with the left, and why people who advocate for positions we think are good, don't trust us to actually implement those things without killing people, or failing due to ideological purity purges. It's almost like we've lived through 4 terms of 'New Democrat' presidents betraying the left.
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Jizz Festival posted:If you're basing your perception of the left off this thread you've already made a huge mistake.
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Aug 22, 2017 23:41
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Jizz Festival posted:If you're basing your perception of the left off this thread you've already made a huge mistake. I don't, but I still won't call myself a leftist because the people in this thread are more representative than you realize.
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Aug 22, 2017 23:42
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In fairness most who advocate for incrementalism are merely intellectually vapid as opposed to malevolent.
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Aug 22, 2017 23:42
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im sincere and not terrible, but i do wish for your death
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I don't, but I still won't call myself a leftist because the people in this thread are more representative than you realize.
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Calibanibal posted:im sincere and not terrible, but i do wish for your death I like your gimmick for some reason so we're cool. Sneakster posted:Are you trying to cause a glut in the guillotine market? I have cornered the market on guillotine production. Call Me Charlie posted:It's almost like we've lived through 4 terms of 'New Democrat' presidents betraying the left. I feel like this applies to Clinton, but not Obama. I got exactly what was advertised out of Obama, and his legacy will stand up to time pretty well I feel.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:It's almost like you're too dumb to understand. I vote for the same ideas you do! The problem isn't people like me no matter how much you want it to be. I never said people wouldn't vote for leftist ideas, I in fact said the opposite when i informed you that i had voted for these ideas. I just think you'll never form a majority of people that agree with you when you can't stop advocating for the deaths of people that agree with you. drat, you're whiny. Have you ever considered adopting a political worldview that wasn't extremely myopic?
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:
Now you are just trolling.
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Cerebral Bore posted:drat, you're whiny. Have you ever considered adopting a political worldview that wasn't extremely myopic? I was diagnosed with myopia in my left eye at age two. My right eye has been dominant ever since.
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Aug 22, 2017 23:53
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Because you idiots couldn't agree with someone that holds 99% of your values she didnt agree with any of my values
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I was diagnosed with myopia in my left eye at age two. My right eye has been dominant ever since. This joke doesn't mean what you think it means.
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AstheWorldWorlds posted:This joke doesn't mean what you think it means. What if I knew exactly what I was doing, and didn't care that it was the incorrect use of the word myopic, as well as the idea that it would affect which eye is dominant over the other, will that be a problem?
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:What if I knew exactly what I was doing, and didn't care that it was the incorrect use of the word myopic, as well as the idea that it would affect which eye is dominant over the other, will that be a problem? you're insufferable and dumb and your way is demonstrably not working, gently caress you
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Because you idiots couldn't agree with someone that holds 99% of your values, and gladly advocated for my death? You think you're going to convince people that don't agree with you? You do know you need a majority to win an election right? well, hillary didn't agree with 99% of my values. bernie's closer to that, but hillary was the antithesis of my values cause she takes massive amounts of money from the same banks who've been stealing from us for a long time
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I think Heck Yes! Loam! is trying to say that they are the one who agrees with 99% of our values, not Hillary. At least, I hope so.
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:you're insufferable and dumb and your way is demonstrably not working, gently caress you I likely voted the nearly same way you have in the past 3 elections  Condiv posted:well, hillary didn't agree with 99% of my values. bernie's closer to that, but hillary was the antithesis of my values cause she takes massive amounts of money from the same banks who've been stealing from us for a long time The values comment was in reference to myself, not Hillary. I have no issue with the criticism of her values being lovely. WampaLord posted:I think Heck Yes! Loam! is trying to say that they are the one who agrees with 99% of our values, not Hillary. Hey, at least someone gives me the benefit of the doubt.
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WampaLord posted:I think Heck Yes! Loam! is trying to say that they are the one who agrees with 99% of our values, not Hillary. i hope so too, but i dunno why he thinks preserving a status quo that is currently grinding people to dust and is only getting worse is something we should be pushing for for the next 8 years of governance a lot of things were broken in 2008, and people voted for obama to fix that. and he didn't. he let the lobbyist problem get so bad that now lobbyists have more say in the dem party than regular people (as superdelegates), he let the banks run wild, and now pharma companies are jacking up prices on life saving medication that doesn't cost them hardly anything to make. black people are being shot to death by kkk loving cops, and nazis are making a resurgence. on p much every front, obama and the dems have failed us, and we need leadership that's going to stop doing that and actually fix things (and in a hurry too! people can't afford to wait to stop being murdered!)
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I'd argue that hecky loam's insistence on doubling down on a demonstrably losing strategy for no good reason counts as more than 1% of divergence between us.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I likely voted the nearly same way you have in the past 3 elections i guarantee you you did not considering that at bare minimum i didnt vote in november because i live in new york so we go blue regardless because of the city, and there wasn't a candidate who represented my beliefs
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guys we're really the same shrieks the guy who is arguing for a thing that everyone here hates
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I likely voted the nearly same way you have in the past 3 elections lol u voted for daffy duck 3 times in a row?
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Aug 23, 2017 00:16
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Uncritical belief in incrementalism likely constitutes a hard break in terms of ideology, to be honest. That factor alone is a showstopper.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I likely voted the nearly same way you have in the past 3 elections And you seem ready to keep voting that way for another 3, which will lead to the same ruinous result unless the game is changed. What is it that they say about doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results, again?
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Aug 23, 2017 00:17
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retreat into nihilistic apathy because he's afraid to give a poo poo. it's a fairly common form of political disengagement after you get burned. obama's biggest failure was not Donald Trump, it was turning millions of engaged young people into bitter, apathetic, detached shells because the alternative was admitting obama sold them a bill of goods he'd never intended to deliver on and it's easier to give up on your dreams than give up on your heroes
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:i guarantee you you did not considering that at bare minimum i didnt vote in november because i live in new york so we go blue regardless because of the city, and there wasn't a candidate who represented my beliefs likewise, i voted socialist in november cause i "live" in a blood red state that only ever got close to going dem when ford was on the ballot after he pardoned nixon (still didn't tho  ). lotta centrists still screamed at me about that cause who knows why
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Calibanibal posted:lol u voted for daffy duck 3 times in a row? daffy is a gently caress, gossamer for pres
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Sephyr posted:And you seem ready to keep voting that way for another 3, which will lead to the same ruinous result unless the game is changed. Yes, I will continue to vote for progresssive Democrats, and democratic socialists as I have for the last 3 elections. This makes me literally insane apparently.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Yes, I will continue to vote for progresssive Democrats oxymoron
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:daffy is a gently caress, gossamer for pres daffy stepped up for the Space Jam, where was gossamer? in the bleachers
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Yes, I will continue to vote for progresssive Democrats, and democratic socialists as I have for the last 3 elections. This makes me literally insane apparently. describing hillary as progressive is a bit silly don't you think? she was about as anti-progress as you could get, which is why she said stuff like "america's already great" and "all lives matter"
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Calibanibal posted:daffy stepped up for the Space Jam, where was gossamer? in the bleachers Compromise Michael Jordan from the end of the game when he has one giant arm
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NewForumSoftware posted:lmao everyone in this thread has been posting here for years. yeah, there's a small group of vocal upper middle class forums posters who have become more emboldened by the failure of Hillary Clinton. That says nothing about Americans as a whole.
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