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I recall people comparing him to Reagan right as he was elected and it's only gotten more apropos. A smile on the face of robbing the country.
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While I have problems with Obama who was way too conservative despite his 2008 campaign, Reagan ran on straight up white supremacy so Obama isn't that.
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Aug 23, 2017 14:30
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I really can't stress how loving dumb and reductive this argument is. Just because you didn't care for both of them doesn't make them the same. Yes, Obama wasn't actually pushing for leftist policies, but Reagan inspired an entire wave of conservatives into slashing the government down to the bone, they are not comparable.
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Aug 23, 2017 14:32
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WampaLord posted:I really can't stress how loving dumb and reductive this argument is. Just because you didn't care for both of them doesn't make them the same. Yeah we get it, you like Obama.
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Aug 23, 2017 14:35
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call to action posted:Definitely not a lie, maybe slightly hateful (he deserves to be called Blackface Reagan tho) 
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Aug 23, 2017 14:39
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AstheWorldWorlds posted:Yeah we get it, you like Obama. I don't! But comparing Obama and Reagan is loving stupid. WampaLord posted:Secondly, I've always been in favor of things like higher minimum wage and single payer, I was very upset with Obama not pushing for a public option with the ACA. I actually protest voted for Stein in 2012 since I was in CA, which I now regret since she's exposed herself as a total loon.
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Aug 23, 2017 14:39
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Um. That kind of highlights an issue: for a lot of people, the Dem status quo is materially better than Republican leadership, even for people who hate the status quo. Drawing equivalences between Reagan and Obama just shows you don't get it. The difference is small relative to the difference between Obama and Ideal Socialist Candidate but it's still important, and while I'm unhappy with his presidency, he managed to be unambiguously the best president since Kennedy.
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Aug 23, 2017 14:41
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WampaLord posted:I don't! But comparing Obama and Reagan is loving stupid. I think it's useful framing if not entirely accurate. Personally I find Obama to be closer to Hoover.
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Aug 23, 2017 14:43
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Like Reagan gave a campaign speech 7 miles from where this took place: to talk about "states rights" knowing exactly what he was doing. Reagan was 100% trash so just saying Obama was new Reagan cheapens how bad Reagan was. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 14:49 on Aug 23, 2017 |
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Aug 23, 2017 14:45
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Also much like Hoover if we start getting actually socialist policy getting passed Obama will become an attack dog against it. He's already headed that direction with his interventions wrt Ellison. Except with Reagan-like charisma so it'll be more effective.
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Aug 23, 2017 14:48
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WampaLord posted:Look, Obama was disappointing, but he wasn't loving Reagan. Also ignore the obvious troll who refers to him as "King Hussein," this isn't hard to figure out. fyi Obama tried to and the GOP stopped him
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Aug 23, 2017 14:55
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NewForumSoftware posted:fyi Obama tried to and the GOP stopped him No, he tried to raise the minimum age to access Medicare, get it right, he was actually trying to increase tax rates with the Grand Bargain. quote:Obama had proposed to Republicans a “grand bargain” that accomplished a host of individual things that are unpopular on their own, but that just might pass as a huge package jammed through Congress with default looming. Obama offered to put Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid cuts on the table in exchange for a tax hike of roughly $100 billion per year over 10 years. Meanwhile, government spending would be cut by roughly three times that amount. It’s no small irony that the party’s dogmatic opposition to tax increases is costing the GOP its best opportunity to roll back social programs it has long targeted. To be clear, I am not defending the Grand Bargain, but to claim that Obama wanted to slash taxes like Reagan did is pure loving fiction. Reagan cut the top tax rate from 70% to 50%!!!! Do not compare that poo poo to Obama! Christ, I don't want to be defending the man but I can't just let y'all make up poo poo either. WampaLord fucked around with this message at 15:02 on Aug 23, 2017 |
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Aug 23, 2017 14:58
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Aug 23, 2017 14:59
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WampaLord posted:No, he tried to raise the minimum age to access Medicare, get it right, he was actually trying to increase tax rates with the Grand Bargain. oh I'm sorry he just re-signed bush's tax cuts, alongside the patriot act and a bunch of other horrific poo poo that Reagan never came close to doing overton window is a bitch my friend the fact that he actually tried to cut federal spending is just a cherry on top
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Aug 23, 2017 15:05
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NewForumSoftware posted:oh I'm sorry he just re-signed bush's tax cuts, alongside the patriot act and a bunch of other horrific poo poo that Reagan never came close to doing you don't actually know anything about what reagan did, do you
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Aug 23, 2017 15:06
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Ze Pollack posted:you don't actually know anything about what reagan did, do you made the rich pay a higher tax rate than barack obama i know, its shocking
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Aug 23, 2017 15:11
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not a drat thing, huh
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Aug 23, 2017 15:15
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NewForumSoftware posted:made the rich pay a higher tax rate than barack obama WampaLord posted:Reagan cut the top tax rate from 70% to 50%!!!! Do not compare that poo poo to Obama! Christ, I don't want to be defending the man but I can't just let y'all make up poo poo either. Extending the Bush tax cuts is not equivalent to a loving 20% tax cut for the richest Americans. Holy gently caress are you ignorant.
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Aug 23, 2017 15:16
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GWB also actually oversaw the prosecution of crimes re: the savings and loans crisis as well Obama did... make sure the banks knew they were safe as soon as he was elected WampaLord posted:Extending the Bush tax cuts is not equivalent to a loving 20% tax cut for the richest Americans. what was the tax rate on the richest Americans during Barack Obama's presidency. Now Regan?
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Aug 23, 2017 15:16
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how many illegal immigrants did Regan deport? how many civilians did he kill overseas with American bombs? how many whistle-blowers did he prosecute? did he sanction the spying on every single American? ya'll are just delusional if you think the overton window hasn't pushed this country right so far Reagan is a modern democrat
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Aug 23, 2017 15:19
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Obama wasn't great but in comparison to every previous president, I'd say he's at the top, if not the best one we've had.
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Dizz posted:Obama wasn't great but in comparison to every previous president, I'd say he's at the top, if not the best one we've had. lmao holy poo poo that people actually believe this btw for those reading at home, this is exactly what I'm talking about when I say that most of the leftists in this thread would be more than happy to compromise for a corporate shill as long as they oppose Trump NewForumSoftware fucked around with this message at 15:23 on Aug 23, 2017 |
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Aug 23, 2017 15:20
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"Obama is the best we had" is exactly why I'm OK with describing Obama as Neo-Reagan, if only to counterbalance that poo poo but from the left.
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Aug 23, 2017 15:23
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yeah dude i have to defend a loving democrat because apparently he's just as bad as the president before and after him
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Aug 23, 2017 15:26
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NewForumSoftware posted:what was the tax rate on the richest Americans during Barack Obama's presidency. Now Regan? What was the tax rate on the richest Americans at the start of Reagan's term? Now at the end? Now do the same for Obama.
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Aug 23, 2017 15:28
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Dizz posted:yeah dude i have to defend a loving democrat because apparently he's just as bad as the president before and after him Yeah Obama was quite bad. The fullness of time will reveal him to be Hoover levels of bad.
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Aug 23, 2017 15:28
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AstheWorldWorlds posted:"Obama is the best we had" is exactly why I'm OK with describing Obama as Neo-Reagan, if only to counterbalance that poo poo but from the left. Then you are being dishonest as well as dumb. Obama was a status-quo poo poo, selling out peacemeal to keep his tenure going. Reagan was an actively regressive conservative steamroller singling out unions, slashing taxes, naming government as the eternal enemy and appointing loons (loving Dinesh D'Souza got his big start under him) as the logical conclusion of what he'd been preaching with a dead smile for almost 30 years. I despise Obama, but this is asinine and doesn't help anything. Why not say he is the new Dr. Mengele, then while we're at it? Think how much counterbalancing that would do!
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Aug 23, 2017 15:28
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Dizz posted:yeah dude i have to defend a loving democrat because apparently he's just as bad as the president before and after him I think you may have your timeline confused as Trump is unequivocally "worse" than Obama (he should be, he's a GOP member). Reagan was over 30 years ago, it's not "the president before". But I mean, this is what happens when you re-sign the Patriot act, keep up the war on terror, stabilize the economy via tax cuts, bail out all banks and corporations, prosecute whistleblowers, sign off on the largest domestic spying incident in modern history, etc
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Aug 23, 2017 15:28
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WampaLord posted:Extending the Bush tax cuts is not equivalent to a loving 20% tax cut for the richest Americans.
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Sephyr posted:Then you are being dishonest as well as dumb. Truth doesn't mean poo poo, hope that helps.
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Aug 23, 2017 15:31
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Sephyr posted:I despise Obama, but this is asinine and doesn't help anything. Why not say he is the new Dr. Mengele, then while we're at it? Think how much counterbalancing that would do! "Obama is the best president we've ever had" is not the same as "Reagan was better than Obama". Look, relative to where they started, Reagan did a lot more damage. I'll agree with that. But Obama has signed off on that continuing and quite frankly, as a Democrat, that makes him worse than Reagan. Reagan did what he was supposed to, Obama sold us out to keep his rich friends happy. The idea that you could compare Obama favorably to any president that presided over the expansion of the social safety net is ludicrous. gently caress, Eisenhower was a Republican and listen to the speech he gave before he left office.
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Aug 23, 2017 15:32
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twodot posted:I'm honestly not seeing your point. Your own data says Reagan presided with a higher tax rate than Obama did. Now maybe you think Reagan would have preferred an even lower tax rate than he achieved and Obama would have preferred a higher tax rate (despite signing the Bush tax cuts), and they both lacked the political ability to achieve their true desires, but you aren't going to demonstrate that with what you've presented, and I'm not certain how such a thing should affect our analysis of the actual performance of past Presidents. If Obama was basically Reagan, but only because the entire rest of the government/country was basically Reagan, I don't think that does much to dispute the claim. Obama's the type of guy who would be classy enough to explain to you in IMs why he's not giving money to the gofundme for your medical bills, because he knows you made unwise spending choices in your youth, and you can't reward that. He's not the kind of rear end in a top hat who'd bust you out in the mentions of your facebook post about it.
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Aug 23, 2017 15:34
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twodot posted:I'm honestly not seeing your point. Your own data says Reagan presided with a higher tax rate than Obama did. Saying this and leaving it at that is ignoring a world of context. Reagan slashed rates, Obama did not, and in fact tried to and did increase taxes (The ACA taxes). You cannot compare the two on their policies towards tax rates and claim to be arguing in good faith.
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Aug 23, 2017 15:35
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WampaLord posted:You cannot compare the two on their policies towards tax rates and claim to be arguing in good faith. actually you can but I can understand how a smootherbrained person might be unable to grasp the irony of our 2016 Democratic president essentially being a GOP member from the 80s but yes, he tried to raise taxes *ignores foreign wars, domestic spying, deporations, whistleblowers, patriot act, handling of the financial crisis* *unironic post about how Barack Obama is literally the greatest president we've ever had*
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Aug 23, 2017 15:37
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Also, didn't Obama invite associations with Reagan himself?
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Aug 23, 2017 15:38
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Sure Lincoln gave the emancipation proclamation but Obama laid that sweet zinger during the correspondent's dinner Obama also saved the banks from losing money, really a grand guy
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Aug 23, 2017 15:39
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AstheWorldWorlds posted:Also, didn't Obama invite associations with Reagan himself? Apparently Obama thought Reagan was cool and gave America what it needed: "He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it. I think they felt like, you know, with all the excesses of the 60s and the 70s, and government had grown and grown, but there wasn't much sense of accountability in terms of how it was operating. I think people just tapped into -- he tapped into what people were already feeling, which was, we want clarity, we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship that had been missing."
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Aug 23, 2017 15:40
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steinrokkan posted:Apparently Obama thought Reagan was cool and gave America what it needed: hahaha holy poo poo that quote, great find a disciple of Reagan indeed
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Aug 23, 2017 15:40
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Dizz posted:Obama wasn't great but in comparison to every previous president, I'd say he's at the top, if not the best one we've had. jesus thats depressing I mean what even is Obama's legacy?
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steinrokkan posted:Apparently Obama thought Reagan was cool and gave America what it needed: On second thought maybe comparisons to Reagan actually are truthful and accurate in totality.
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