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Solo Wing Pixy posted:So as to not emptyquote, the whole WoL is a primal thing would be really obvious and boring and open more than a few plot holes w/r/t the Scions and such. Add em to the list.
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The last fight of the last expansion will either be WoL fighting a primal version of themselves, or WoL becomes a primal and hulks out from the prayers of every living thing on Hydaelin so we can have a Gurren Lagan fight with the moon.
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Aug 23, 2017 20:50
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Didn't we already get the "goes super saiyan primal via people's prayer" thing with Louie-louie anyway?
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Aug 23, 2017 20:52
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Solo Wing Pixy posted:So as to not emptyquote, the whole WoL is a primal thing would be really obvious and boring and open more than a few plot holes w/r/t the Scions and such. Well yeah, but it's still lots of fun to put on the ol' tinfoil hat and imagine what terrible things could be if you just squint hard enough.
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Aug 23, 2017 20:52
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ImpAtom posted:Didn't we already get the "goes super saiyan primal via people's prayer" thing with Louie-louie anyway? That's where people got the idea that the WoL could accidentally/involuntarily primalize
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Aug 23, 2017 20:53
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cheetah7071 posted:That's where people got the idea that the WoL could accidentally/involuntarily primalize Oh, I assumed people were talking more about like Good King Moggle Mog-style stuff and not Shiva-style stuff. "The WoL was a primal all along" vs "The WoL becomes, I don't know, Triple Bahamut."
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Aug 23, 2017 20:54
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I just started playing this on PS4 and god drat the controls are weird to get used to using. Is there a magic time on the east coast to try to get a character rolled onto Excalibur or if I decide to buy it after I hit 35 in the free demo I should just pay the transfer fee to play awful games with goons?
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Virigoth posted:I just started playing this on PS4 and god drat the controls are weird to get used to using. Is there a magic time on the east coast to try to get a character rolled onto Excalibur or if I decide to buy it after I hit 35 in the free demo I should just pay the transfer fee to play awful games with goons? I like the controller controls a lot, but if you end up deciding you just can't get used to them, you can just plug in a USB keyboard/mouse to your PS4 and play that way. You probably should anyways to be able to type in chat.
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Aug 23, 2017 21:00
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The crowning achievement of FFXIV's development is going to be a random quest generator that has you running between different npcs, forever. There will be no ending.
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Aug 23, 2017 21:10
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HOOLY BOOLY posted:Had a Red Mage just now in Shisui complain that i shouldn't be stance swapping because he kept ripping aggro off me in Deliverance. Once i told him i'm going to keep doing it because i like to do damage, he spent the entire next pull AFK typing out some long diatribe on how it's a leveling dungeon and it doesn't matter and i should learn how to "weave" Overpower into my DPS The pull he sat out was slightly slower, but suddenly there were no issues, no problems with the ninja or the healer taking aggro at all. If you're losing aggro, someone is playing wrong. You can argue the RDM for not using diversion/lucid, or the ninja for not shading you, or the tank because it should also be literally impossible to lose threat outside a few weird conditions. In group pulls overpower is also more dps than single target combos anyways, and even without the defiance emnity bonus, overpower has a bonus built in.
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Aug 23, 2017 21:13
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Mordiceius posted:Zenos himself wasn't insanely strong compared to the average mortal. He just had the ability to use the echo go predict attacks. Which will always give him an advantage against those that would attack him. I think Zenos actually was superpowerful by mortal standards, but you're right on the money that the WoL him/herself is not. As the main character, you defeat godlike threats by being A) arbitrarily immune to their usually-deployed win button and B) using agility and cunning to evade - not simply overpower - their massively dangerous attacks. Shiva could facetank an imperial battleship, but you can't facetank Shiva.
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Aug 23, 2017 21:14
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If a tank loses aggro outside of like the very first GCD of the fight its the tank's fault. In dungeon bosses diversion mostly turns "I use my aggro combo once at the beginning and then watch closely to maybe use it again near the end" into "I use my aggro combo once at the beginning then forget about it".
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Aug 23, 2017 21:25
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cheetah7071 posted:If a tank loses aggro outside of like the very first GCD of the fight its the tank's fault. In dungeon bosses diversion mostly turns "I use my aggro combo once at the beginning and then watch closely to maybe use it again near the end" into "I use my aggro combo once at the beginning then forget about it". Yep! I've seen tanks (even goons) keep padding their SICK DPS (it's not sick) for a solid minute while I'm a pixel away from taking aggro. It's dumb.
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Aug 23, 2017 21:27
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HOOLY BOOLY posted:Had a Red Mage just now in Shisui complain that i shouldn't be stance swapping because he kept ripping aggro off me in Deliverance. Once i told him i'm going to keep doing it because i like to do damage, he spent the entire next pull AFK typing out some long diatribe on how it's a leveling dungeon and it doesn't matter and i should learn how to "weave" Overpower into my DPS The pull he sat out was slightly slower, but suddenly there were no issues, no problems with the ninja or the healer taking aggro at all. Uh, I mean. I play RDM, my buddy plays WAR, and is rarely not in DPS stance after the initial pull to grab aggro. I basically never hit diversion. Only time I can manage to do that is on a boss pull if he's in deliverance and I open up with a bunch of crits, or it's one of those weird two-boss fights and I'm attacking the wrong target for too long. Throw in an aggro ability every so often and you should be good. The DPS having to stop dealing damage so that you can do it instead is going to slow down the run and probably annoy the healer. If they're good enough to pull aggro off you, there's zero chance you'll be able to pull enough DPS as a tank to make up the difference compared to what they're losing by throttling themselves back to make sure they don't pull off you.
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I'm new to the game and my character has 32 monk and 32 white mage right now. I'm trying to decide which side to push on with. It seems, right now at least, that the only time the wm gets to heal is in dungeons which is the only place I've seen grouping. How hard will it be for a wm to mostly solo to 70 compared to a monk?
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Titus Vespasian posted:I'm new to the game and my character has 32 monk and 32 white mage right now. I'm trying to decide which side to push on with. It seems, right now at least, that the only time the wm gets to heal is in dungeons which is the only place I've seen grouping. How hard will it be for a wm to mostly solo to 70 compared to a monk? solo content can be completed easily by any class
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That said, if you intend to level both, whm has an easier time leveling without quests because they get shorter dungeon queues. Using your quest exp on mnk might make sense for that reason.
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Titus Vespasian posted:I'm new to the game and my character has 32 monk and 32 white mage right now. I'm trying to decide which side to push on with. It seems, right now at least, that the only time the wm gets to heal is in dungeons which is the only place I've seen grouping. How hard will it be for a wm to mostly solo to 70 compared to a monk? WHM is basically the easy-but-slow solo. You will never ever die or be at any risk of failing any piece of content but will have to spend a lot of time pounding on certain enemies who can't actually kill you. That said it makes up for it by getting basically instant dungeon queues which saves a shitload of time.
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cheetah7071 posted:If a tank loses aggro outside of like the very first GCD of the fight its the tank's fault. In dungeon bosses diversion mostly turns "I use my aggro combo once at the beginning and then watch closely to maybe use it again near the end" into "I use my aggro combo once at the beginning then forget about it". I do it twice and that's mostly enough to hold for an entire fight.
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Titus Vespasian posted:I'm new to the game and my character has 32 monk and 32 white mage right now. I'm trying to decide which side to push on with. It seems, right now at least, that the only time the wm gets to heal is in dungeons which is the only place I've seen grouping. How hard will it be for a wm to mostly solo to 70 compared to a monk? I have the opposite advice as the rest. Level the monk first so you can leverage the MSQ experience towards your first level 70. Healers and tanks are piss easy to level entirely through dungeons. DPS are a pain in the rear end to level outside of POTD and PVP (If you win).
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isk posted:Yep! I've seen tanks (even goons) keep padding their SICK DPS (it's not sick) for a solid minute while I'm a pixel away from taking aggro. It's dumb. If you are a pixel away from pulling but did not pull aggro the tanks aggro management was excellent. Any threat past what is needed to maintain aggro is wasted.
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tomahawk-onslaught/equilibrium-overpower-thrill of battle/upheaval-BB combo into path combo you'll never lose aggro again
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funkymonks posted:If you are a pixel away from pulling but did not pull aggro the tanks aggro management was excellent. Any threat past what is needed to maintain aggro is wasted. I should clarify that I was only autoattacking for that minute. It was garbage.
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Aug 23, 2017 22:23
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If you pull aggro that means you win. You're gonna win until you get tired of winning.
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If the dps has to stop attacking so the tank can maintain agro (and the dps made an honest effort to use enmity tools) then the tank is 100% at fault, full stop. If the dps didn't use Diversion then the tank is still mostly at fault. And if I'm still tanking 30 seconds later and eat a tank buster we're going to have a chat. I am all for tanks going balls to the wall on dps, but that comes after they have a threat lead. I'm very understanding of newbie tanks who are still finding the balance there too. But if you're tanking ex roulette and I pull hate on the entire trash pack after a couple GCDs of Sword Blender or a minute into a boss pull, you have flunked.
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Bleu posted:If you pull aggro that means you win. You're gonna win until you get tired of winning. I like when I win despite using diversion and lucid dreaming.
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I enjoy being the last person standing in a raid wipe because I elusive jump for movement four times and am rock bottom in aggro despite being second place DPS
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Countblanc posted:it still doesn't really unless you think that Zenos is a primal - there's no way a handful of guards could take him out or threaten him in any way but the WoL + a few allies are able to best him. Really if you think about it, MSQ is just a beast tribe reputation grind, but the beast tribes in question is eorzean nation states or what have you.
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Aw man I was so excited to have an O3S kill that was above median last night but it somehow dropped 4 percentage points from 52 to 48 in a single day Does fflogs sometimes gently caress up the percentage at first and this is just a reversion to the correct value, or did 4% of players just upload parses better than me since last night?
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Josuke Higashikata posted:Add em to the list. My thinking is more that whatever Scion you run into in the level 10-ish quests would have taken one look at you with their magic aether-detecting goggles, noticed you were a primal, and shanked you while you were still a squishy pugilist wearing level 5 Au Ra refugee rags. Not like you've done any great deeds that might give you pause at that point in time either. the idea of the WoL getting involuntary primal-hijacked in a crisis is one I hadn't thought of, and makes a lot of sense. Also, I don't really mess with parsers, so I'll admit that I enjoy making the little aggro bar under my name shoot past the (other) DPS and occasionally the tank before I pop LD.
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I don't think anyone that subscribes to the primal theory thinks the WoL is literally a primal though, just that faith in FF14 can sometimes manifest itself physically and a lot of people have faith in the WoL. Spirit bomb tech
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isk posted:I should clarify that I was only autoattacking for that minute. It was garbage. Comment retracted!
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ImpAtom posted:The WoL is incredibly strong in any 1-on-1 circumstances but can and will be overwhelmed by large numbers. The WoL bringing friends along helps diminish this but it only takes one fuckup and that time your tank hyper-pulled half of a level and hosed up becomes real. It's the problem with being a One Man Army. Sure you can take on armies with ease and bend gods over your knee but there's only one of you (or group of you in the case of duties and raids  ) An army is going to have an easier time taking and holding an objective or several objectives and do it far quicker than a single unless said single person has cataclysmic power (which doesn't bode well for your objectives unless you don't care if they're blown up.)Even then a single person can only be in a single theater of battle at a time. An army can be in several and even though that single person may easily win that theater, they'll lose the war because they can't be everywhere at once. To use the Doma Castle problem, the WoL (and friends) could take care of the flying gunships, they could take care of the garrison or they could protect the Doman enclave from retaliation. Three jobs, three places to be at the same time, no way the WoL can do it on their own. Hence everyone else's help
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funkymonks posted:Comment retracted! All good, I wasn't clear enough
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I just did 20 levels of DRK in... 6 days? God, there are a lot of dumb players in DF.  (i'm one of them)  I'm curious: what do you all think is happening in MSQ fights where they story says "you solo'd a Primal! good job!" and the gameplay says "ha you would've been pasted if it weren't for the 3 other WoLs no one talks about"? I can't decide between "light-clones generated by Hydaelyn," "future/alternate selves helping out" or "actually multiple WoLs but my character's just a huge glory-hogging dickbag."
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You're the only Warrior of Light, you're not the only Temper-immune Echo wielder. These are the other players in the story.
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Ghost of Starman posted:I just did 20 levels of DRK in... 6 days? God, there are a lot of dumb players in DF. Your character solo'd it and everyone else is only there because it's a mmo.
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HOOLY BOOLY posted:Had a Red Mage just now in Shisui complain that i shouldn't be stance swapping because he kept ripping aggro off me in Deliverance. Once i told him i'm going to keep doing it because i like to do damage, he spent the entire next pull AFK typing out some long diatribe on how it's a leveling dungeon and it doesn't matter and i should learn how to "weave" Overpower into my DPS The pull he sat out was slightly slower, but suddenly there were no issues, no problems with the ninja or the healer taking aggro at all. he acted like a little poo poo but so did you by basically going "no i wont cooperate or improve myself" you should maximize your damage but if youre losing threat, what the point? its just that a dungeon isnt super punishing for your mistakes
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IcePhoenix posted:Your static would also probably appreciate you taking ten minutes to at least kill Exdeath once a week so you can get your 330 weapon two weeks earlier. Actually to do 4 you had to do 1-3 and I didn't have the kind of free time (was switching jobs etc) to sit down for an hour + and hope pubbies weren't poo poo for a couple weeks outside of trying to grind DRK
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