call to action posted:

Maybe you could defend Obama some more to really burnish those socialist credentials

call to action posted:

Maybe you could defend Obama some more to really burnish those socialist credentials

WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

Your endorsement of socdem policy instead of socialism

Marx posted:

"“If in the political struggle against the bourgeois state the workers succeed only in extracting concessions, then they are guilty of compromise; and this is contrary to eternal principles. All peaceful movements, such as those in which English and American workers have the bad habit of engaging, are therefore to be despised. Workers must not struggle to establish a legal limit to the working day, because this is to compromise with the masters, who can then only exploit them for ten or twelve hours, instead of fourteen or sixteen. They must not even exert themselves in order legally to prohibit the employment in factories of children under the age of ten, because by such means they do not bring to an end the exploitation of children over ten: they thus commit a new compromise, which stains the purity of the eternal principles. "

It cannot be denied that if the apostles of political indifferentism were to express themselves with such clarity, the working class would make short shrift of them and would resent being insulted by these doctrinaire bourgeois and displaced gentlemen, who are so stupid or so naive as to attempt to deny to the working class any real means of struggle. For all arms with which to fight must be drawn from society as it is and the fatal conditions of this struggle have the misfortune of not being easily adapted to the idealistic fantasies which these doctors in social science have exalted as divinities, under the names of Freedom, Autonomy, Anarchy.

joepinetree posted:

WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

Can't believe Obama did nothing to stop Honduran coup. That's just as bad as Reagan arming the Contras

Reagan, welcome to #theresistance

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

Sometimes i think the focus on the presidency is the biggest mistake we all make. I kinda wish the focus was more on eating our own until we have acquired enough purity to defeat our enemies. The only issue is that we will then be too full of ourselves to eat the rich.

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

Sometimes i think the focus on the presidency is the biggest mistake we all make. I kinda wish the focus was more on eating our own until we have acquired enough purity to defeat our enemies. The only issue is that we will then be too full of ourselves to eat the rich.

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

Sometimes i think the focus on the presidency is the biggest mistake we all make. I kinda wish the focus was more on eating our own until we have acquired enough purity to defeat our enemies. The only issue is that we will then be too full of ourselves to eat the rich.

Condiv posted:

as opposed to yours when you decided it was time to defend nazis marching in the streets as "fake nazis" and that they should be left alone?

call to action posted:

Don't you have more racist Alex Jones screeds to post?

Fulchrum posted:

Are you ever going to stop screaming that everything is bing bong so simple, and the only reason Guantanamo didn't close is cause Obama didnt say the magic words.

So you throw a tantrum when they don't do the impossible, so they make sure only to promise you things that can happen, and you throw another tantrum.

Fulchrum posted:

Are you ever going to stop screaming that everything is bing bong so simple, and the only reason Guantanamo didny close is cause Obama didnt say the magic words.

So you throw a tantrum when they don't do the impossible, so they make sure only to promise you things that can happen, and you throw another tantrum.

Falstaff posted:

"How dare you get mad at us for breaking our promises! Fine, then, I'm just not going to make any more promises, that'll show you little ingrates! Now give me your money and votes!" -A Serious Politician Treating You As An Adult

Kilroy posted:

The GOP doesn't seem to mind causing a Constitutional crisis after Constitutional crisis and holding the economy hostage to get its way, so at some point you have to ask "why do we keep following these stupid rules?"

"Okay I'm either going to send these prisoners to federal penitentiaries within the US and give them a proper trial or I'm going to fly them exactly back where we found them and leave them there. Take your pick, GOP." <- Obama if he was serious about GB.

"Okay McConnell I will take your lack of reply to my nomination as tacit consent and lovely compromise candidate Merrick Garland will be showing up to work at the SCOTUS on Monday. Pleasure doing business with you." <- Obama if he gave a drat about the makeup of the court (along with nominating someone other than Garland, obv).

joepinetree posted:

I am going to repeat myself: It is amazing that, in a situation where the democrats' popularity continues to tank and the popularity of policies further left continues to soar, centrist democrats continue to paint themselves as the pragmatic, realist ones and anyone to the left as the intransigent ones.

joepinetree posted:

I am going to repeat myself: It is amazing that, in a situation where the democrats' popularity continues to tank and the popularity of policies further left continues to soar, centrist democrats continue to paint themselves as the pragmatic, realist ones and anyone to the left as the intransigent ones.

Fulchrum posted:

Show me the popularity of "Bust Khalid Sheik Mohammed out of prison and take him back to Pakistan". I want to see on the graph when it really swung into the 75% approval level.

Amazingly, you dumbshits don't gain credibility through osmosis. Your dumb loving ideas don't get less dumb or less loving by you screaming that you must be right because you're a leftist and all leftist ideas are great.

joepinetree posted:

This isn't disingenuous at all.

Condiv posted:

are you still sad that i compared your nazi apologist rhetoric to alex jones? since he too believes the charlottesville nazis were actually fake nazis?

get out. you're either a nazi or a nazi apologist. neither are worthwhile

Fulchrum posted:

And you're still all throwing a collective tantrum about being treated like adults and being expected to handle the truth.

joepinetree posted:

I am going to repeat myself: It is amazing that, in a situation where the democrats' popularity continues to tank and the popularity of policies further left continues to soar, centrist democrats continue to paint themselves as the pragmatic, realist ones and anyone to the left as the intransigent ones.

BENGHAZI 2 posted:

What did he actually say about Nazis I wasn't reading this thread for a while

call to action posted:

fake Nazis do go away when they realize they can't troll you. here's a hint, if they're wearing a polo shirt and carrying a tiki torch they're a fake nazi

fat American Nazis and the ones from 100 years ago with the contraptions on the history channel aren't the same or even similar, they're aping those affectations because they get you riled

Accretionist posted:

"Know your place."

- DNC


It's the classic framing of 'Us : Adults :: Them : Children'

Fulchrum posted:

Show me the popularity of "Bust Khalid Sheik Mohammed out of prison and take him back to Pakistan". I want to see on the graph when it really swung into the 75% approval level.

Amazingly, you dumbshits don't gain credibility through osmosis. Your dumb loving ideas don't get less dumb or less loving by you screaming that you must be right because you're a leftist and all leftist ideas are great.

Condiv posted:

he claimed the nazis marching in charlottesville were not actual nazis and were just trolling


then when i pointed out alex jones was making similar "fake nazi" claims he tried to pretend i'm a racist cause alex jones is racist

Fulchrum posted:

Somehow, there's actually this perfect way to break the system and institute full communism now with 49 votes, but Dems are just too weak to try it. But once you full out the dems and liberals and get those 10 votes to 90 in the Senate, then you can activate the super secret ultra move that has to be there, because things are simple and the Dems are mean meanypants.

Calibanibal posted:

*swears off reading the bad dem thread*

*cant resist after a week*

*reads it and gets mad*

*has a melt down*

*swears off reading the bad dem thread*

Kilroy posted:

In fact, it's really about giving people a choice between socialism and fascism, and hoping they make the right choice, as opposed to the Democrats' plan of giving people a choice between fascism and nothing, and hoping that confuses people enough that they vote for nothing in slightly larger numbers. Because that's all liberalism is, that's all the ideas you'll ever bring to the table: nothing. And it doesn't even work, because too many people interpret the choice your party gives them as a choice between "nothing" and "something" and - surprise, surprise - they go with "something".

If we present that choice to the people and they truly embrace fascism, then we'll learn that we were already hosed anyway. No amount of careful messaging of liberal "ideas" is going to change the fact that most people really just want to burn the world alive, if that's what people truly want. All you and people like you do is take away what little hope our species might have left, by allowing no other alternative. So gently caress off.

Fulchrum posted:

It's one of the small comforts of the last election that, because of how far Hillary bent over bacwards to accommodate you petulant shits, you end up saying that the most leftist platform in history is nothing, because you keep forgetting the facts of the election and need it to be that mean old Hillary really was a centrist, because otherwise your narrative is fill of poo poo.

quote:

Review NAFTA - Obama promised to review NAFTA and other free trade agreements to protect labor and the environment. He included those safeguards in agreements with Korea, Colombia, and Panama, but has not yet tackled NAFTA. He repeated his promise in the 2012 campaign to end tax breaks for outsourcing. For more, see Obama and Trade.

Reform Bankruptcy Laws - Obama promised to repeal the 2005 Bankruptcy Prevention Act. The Act made it harder to declare bankruptcy. Many experts now think this helped cause the 2008 financial crisis. That's because homeowners drained the equity in their homes to pay bills because the couldn't declare bankruptcy on their personal debt. For more, see How 2005 Bankruptcy Act Led to Recession.

Reform Minimum Wage - Obama promised to index the minimum wage to inflation. That would help low-income wage earners, the so-called working poor, to earn a decent standard of living. Congress ignored his request to raise the U.S. minimum wage to a living wage. Obama did sign an executive order that requires all government contractors to raise their minimum wage to $10.10 an hour.

Fulchrum posted:

It's one of the small comforts of the last election that, because of how far Hillary bent over bacwards to accommodate you petulant shits, you end up saying that the most leftist platform in history is nothing, because you keep forgetting the facts of the election and need it to be that mean old Hillary really was a centrist, because otherwise your narrative is fill of poo poo.

WampaLord posted:

The "most leftist platform in history" was a joke.

Also the platform is meaningless campaign promises, go look at Obama's platform and see how much of it got enacted.

Fulchrum posted:

We could power loving China if we could harness how quickly goalposts move when you argue.

And we're right back to there's no such thing as complications, everything always works Bing bong so simple, so they lied cause they're meanie meanpants.

And you still somehow can't grasp why you need to be treated like children.