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B | 77 | 25.50% | |
K | 160 | 52.98% | |
M | 65 | 21.52% | |
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call to action posted:Maybe you could defend Obama some more to really burnish those socialist credentials as opposed to yours when you decided it was time to defend nazis marching in the streets as "fake nazis" and that they should be left alone?
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# ? Aug 23, 2017 23:24 |
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# ? May 26, 2024 08:54 |
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Can't believe Obama did nothing to stop Honduran coup. That's just as bad as Reagan arming the Contras Reagan, welcome to #theresistance
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# ? Aug 23, 2017 23:24 |
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call to action posted:Maybe you could defend Obama some more to really burnish those socialist credentials Anybody who thinks Obama was as bad as Reagan knows very, very little about all the extremely lovely things that Reagan did. Also Reagan plays a pretty big role in why every major party politician for the last thirty years has had to act like a deficit hawk on the lookout for perfidious Welfare Queens. Without Reagan, America would be a very different, much more progressive country. Majorian fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Aug 23, 2017 |
# ? Aug 23, 2017 23:37 |
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Your endorsement of socdem policy instead of socialism Marx posted:
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# ? Aug 23, 2017 23:52 |
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Oh, totally engage and extract concessions, but the concessions are never the focus nor the central demand
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# ? Aug 24, 2017 00:10 |
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Can't believe Obama did nothing to stop Honduran coup. That's just as bad as Reagan arming the Contras he did more than nothing, he actively worked to legitimize it and legitimize obviously shady elections. that still doesn't make him as bad as reagan arming the contras illegally. though obama continuing to arm and train the honduran coupers after they were murdering citizens and journalists is inching close.
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# ? Aug 24, 2017 00:18 |
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Sometimes i think the focus on the presidency is the biggest mistake we all make. I kinda wish the focus was more on eating our own until we have acquired enough purity to defeat our enemies. The only issue is that we will then be too full of ourselves to eat the rich.
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# ? Aug 24, 2017 00:40 |
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Sometimes i think the focus on the presidency is the biggest mistake we all make. I kinda wish the focus was more on eating our own until we have acquired enough purity to defeat our enemies. The only issue is that we will then be too full of ourselves to eat the rich. There is always room for dessert.
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# ? Aug 24, 2017 00:51 |
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Sometimes i think the focus on the presidency is the biggest mistake we all make. I kinda wish the focus was more on eating our own until we have acquired enough purity to defeat our enemies. The only issue is that we will then be too full of ourselves to eat the rich. "Eating our own" meaning what, exactly, in this context?
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# ? Aug 24, 2017 00:57 |
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Sometimes i think the focus on the presidency is the biggest mistake we all make. I kinda wish the focus was more on eating our own until we have acquired enough purity to defeat our enemies. The only issue is that we will then be too full of ourselves to eat the rich. I'm not sure what you're implying here. That leftists are literally killing or otherwise preventing liberals from voting? Or that attacking liberals somehow prevents leftists from voting? Strange analogy.
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# ? Aug 24, 2017 01:13 |
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i think what he's saying is that we should slay each other and ritually consume the heart, brain, and liver of those slain, thereby making their strength our own
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# ? Aug 24, 2017 01:18 |
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I guess to me, trying to slash social security is probably just as bad, if not worse (!), than perpetuating a lovely racist caricature. even for minorities.Condiv posted:as opposed to yours when you decided it was time to defend nazis marching in the streets as "fake nazis" and that they should be left alone? Don't you have more racist Alex Jones screeds to post?
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# ? Aug 24, 2017 01:20 |
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call to action posted:Don't you have more racist Alex Jones screeds to post? are you still sad that i compared your nazi apologist rhetoric to alex jones? since he too believes the charlottesville nazis were actually fake nazis? get out. you're either a nazi or a nazi apologist. neither are worthwhile Condiv fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Aug 24, 2017 |
# ? Aug 24, 2017 01:42 |
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I find it darkly funny that at least Obama thought we were worth the effort of lying to. "Sure, close Guantanamo, Single Payer, get tough on Wall Street. I'm for all that, just like you. Just vote for me." The DLC and their pals don't think we deserve even that much. They fully expect to be applauded and lionized for acting like republicans circa 1992, and seem genuinely hurt and puzzled when they aren't. "You guys don't get poo poo! Just focus on, um, innovation, disruption, new economy! Hey, why are you leaving?"
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# ? Aug 24, 2017 01:58 |
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Are you ever going to stop screaming that everything is bing bong so simple, and the only reason Guantanamo didny close is cause Obama didnt say the magic words. So you throw a tantrum when they don't do the impossible, so they make sure only to promise you things that can happen, and you throw another tantrum.
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# ? Aug 24, 2017 02:02 |
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Fulchrum posted:Are you ever going to stop screaming that everything is bing bong so simple, and the only reason Guantanamo didn't close is cause Obama didnt say the magic words. That's why this thread is fun to read, and it will never change so don't bother.
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# ? Aug 24, 2017 02:20 |
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And you're still all throwing a collective tantrum about being treated like adults and being expected to handle the truth.
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# ? Aug 24, 2017 02:23 |
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"How dare you get mad at us for breaking our promises! Fine, then, I'm just not going to make any more promises, that'll show you little ingrates! Now give me your money and votes!" -A Serious Politician Treating You As An Adult
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# ? Aug 24, 2017 02:54 |
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Fulchrum posted:Are you ever going to stop screaming that everything is bing bong so simple, and the only reason Guantanamo didny close is cause Obama didnt say the magic words. "Okay I'm either going to send these prisoners to federal penitentiaries within the US and give them a proper trial or I'm going to fly them exactly back where we found them and leave them there. Take your pick, GOP." <- Obama if he was serious about GB. "Okay McConnell I will take your lack of reply to my nomination as tacit consent and lovely compromise candidate Merrick Garland will be showing up to work at the SCOTUS on Monday. Pleasure doing business with you." <- Obama if he gave a drat about the makeup of the court (along with nominating someone other than Garland, obv). Instead, Democrats consistently let the GOP define the terms of the debate along with what the acceptable outcomes may be, and then we're all supposed to act surprised when they set the terms such that they can never lose. The Democrats are a weak and pathetic excuse for a party and they don't deserve power. This is obvious to most of the electorate and it's why they lose every election where the GOP message rises even just to the level of "oh we want to try something different guys, we're not sure what yet". Even if that thing is fascism. The only way Democrats win is if the GOP collectively throw up their hands and admit they don't know what the gently caress they're doing. You seem to be of the mind that the process is the most important thing. Sure, Obama couldn't close Guantanamo because the mean ol' GOP wouldn't "let" him, where "let" is dependent upon an specific interpretation of the Constitution and the willingness to give a poo poo. The GOP apparently sees no reason to limit itself that way, and the fascists sure as poo poo don't (but I repeat myself). Leftists interested in getting poo poo done will respond in kind, and I suppose liberals could as well but hardly any of you ever do. That's why you're weak even when you win elections, and consequently why no one wants to vote for liberal Democrats - even liberals - because what's the point? Even with full control of the government the first things Democrats would do is waste time figuring out if they can reinstate the filibuster without pissing people off too much, before they get on with the business of replacing RBG with a nice moderate Republican. Literally anything else is a better use of my time than voting for that poo poo - if nothing else I won't vote for liberal Democrats anymore because it means I can fill out the ballot a little bit more quickly and get on with my day sooner.
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# ? Aug 24, 2017 02:57 |
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I am going to repeat myself: It is amazing that, in a situation where the democrats' popularity continues to tank and the popularity of policies further left continues to soar, centrist democrats continue to paint themselves as the pragmatic, realist ones and anyone to the left as the intransigent ones.
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# ? Aug 24, 2017 03:18 |
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Falstaff posted:"How dare you get mad at us for breaking our promises! Fine, then, I'm just not going to make any more promises, that'll show you little ingrates! Now give me your money and votes!" -A Serious Politician Treating You As An Adult And I'm sure your dad just cancelled that trip to Disneyland because he hated you and liked lying to you. That thing about losing his job was just a part of the lie. Kilroy posted:The GOP doesn't seem to mind causing a Constitutional crisis after Constitutional crisis and holding the economy hostage to get its way, so at some point you have to ask "why do we keep following these stupid rules?" I like how the only things you could think of rely on a Jill Stein level of idiocy about what the president can do. Which of course you will follow up with "gently caress the rules, I say what I wanna do. If dems cared about anything, they would just ignore the law". Amazingly, try ing to airlift people out of Gitmo into Pakistan is illegal, and telling a man who isn't confirmed to sit on the supreme court just leads to that man being arrested. Weirdly, passive aggressive condescension doesn't make it legal. Somehow, there's actually this perfect way to break the system and institute full communism now with 49 votes, but Dems are just too weak to try it. But once you full out the dems and liberals and get those 10 votes to 90 in the Senate, then you can activate the super secret ultra move that has to be there, because things are simple and the Dems are mean meanypants.
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# ? Aug 24, 2017 03:21 |
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joepinetree posted:I am going to repeat myself: It is amazing that, in a situation where the democrats' popularity continues to tank and the popularity of policies further left continues to soar, centrist democrats continue to paint themselves as the pragmatic, realist ones and anyone to the left as the intransigent ones. "If those idiot leftists had done well in school and entered a respectable university, they wouldn't have to ask for entitlements to bail them out of a situation they put themselves in. Instead, they're begging the only adults in the room for solutions to unrealistic dreams, from a past that can't exist again" - A centrist
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# ? Aug 24, 2017 03:27 |
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joepinetree posted:I am going to repeat myself: It is amazing that, in a situation where the democrats' popularity continues to tank and the popularity of policies further left continues to soar, centrist democrats continue to paint themselves as the pragmatic, realist ones and anyone to the left as the intransigent ones. Show me the popularity of "Bust Khalid Sheik Mohammed out of prison and take him back to Pakistan". I want to see on the graph when it really swung into the 75% approval level. Amazingly, you dumbshits don't gain credibility through osmosis. Your dumb loving ideas don't get less dumb or less loving by you screaming that you must be right because you're a leftist and all leftist ideas are great. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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# ? Aug 24, 2017 03:28 |
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Fulchrum posted:Show me the popularity of "Bust Khalid Sheik Mohammed out of prison and take him back to Pakistan". I want to see on the graph when it really swung into the 75% approval level. This isn't disingenuous at all.
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# ? Aug 24, 2017 03:56 |
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joepinetree posted:This isn't disingenuous at all. Considering it's a direct response to the solution Kilroy said Obama was obligated to undertake in order to prove he wasn't lying about Guantanomo because he was a meany meanpants? No, it's not disingenuous in the slightest. These are the ideas leftists in this thread are holding up while other claim that all their ideas are unassailable because LEFT!!!!!
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# ? Aug 24, 2017 04:02 |
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*swears off reading the bad dem thread* *cant resist after a week* *reads it and gets mad* *has a melt down* *swears off reading the bad dem thread*
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# ? Aug 24, 2017 04:05 |
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Condiv posted:are you still sad that i compared your nazi apologist rhetoric to alex jones? since he too believes the charlottesville nazis were actually fake nazis? What did he actually say about Nazis I wasn't reading this thread for a while
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# ? Aug 24, 2017 04:07 |
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Fulchrum posted:And you're still all throwing a collective tantrum about being treated like adults and being expected to handle the truth. "Know your place." - DNC joepinetree posted:I am going to repeat myself: It is amazing that, in a situation where the democrats' popularity continues to tank and the popularity of policies further left continues to soar, centrist democrats continue to paint themselves as the pragmatic, realist ones and anyone to the left as the intransigent ones. It's the classic framing of 'Us : Adults :: Them : Children'
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# ? Aug 24, 2017 04:09 |
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:What did he actually say about Nazis I wasn't reading this thread for a while he claimed the nazis marching in charlottesville were not actual nazis and were just trolling call to action posted:fake Nazis do go away when they realize they can't troll you. here's a hint, if they're wearing a polo shirt and carrying a tiki torch they're a fake nazi then when i pointed out alex jones was making similar "fake nazi" claims he tried to pretend i'm a racist cause alex jones is racist
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# ? Aug 24, 2017 04:11 |
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Accretionist posted:"Know your place." Wonder where anyone could get that impression, just under you managing to confuse trying to explain basic facts with them being cruel tyrants.
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# ? Aug 24, 2017 04:13 |
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Fulchrum posted:Show me the popularity of "Bust Khalid Sheik Mohammed out of prison and take him back to Pakistan". I want to see on the graph when it really swung into the 75% approval level. IMO, if Obama was truly pragmatic he would have polled the American people on whether or not he should have continued allowing prisoners to receive yogurt enemas. On the taxpayer's dollar at that! Edit: It might have actually been hummus. It was definitely some sort of thick condiment.
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# ? Aug 24, 2017 04:13 |
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Condiv posted:he claimed the nazis marching in charlottesville were not actual nazis and were just trolling Lmao proud boys aren't real Nazis in the way the Klan isn't It's an academic distinction at best Also one of the fuckin proud boy ranks is "beat up an antifa" so gently caress you guy
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# ? Aug 24, 2017 04:19 |
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Holy poo poo literally argued that they'll go away if we don't engage them gently caress out of here scum
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# ? Aug 24, 2017 04:19 |
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Fulchrum posted:Somehow, there's actually this perfect way to break the system and institute full communism now with 49 votes, but Dems are just too weak to try it. But once you full out the dems and liberals and get those 10 votes to 90 in the Senate, then you can activate the super secret ultra move that has to be there, because things are simple and the Dems are mean meanypants. If we present that choice to the people and they truly embrace fascism, then we'll learn that we were already hosed anyway. No amount of careful messaging of liberal "ideas" is going to change the fact that most people really just want to burn the world alive, if that's what people truly want. All you and people like you do is take away what little hope our species might have left, by allowing no other alternative. So gently caress off.
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# ? Aug 24, 2017 04:30 |
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Calibanibal posted:*swears off reading the bad dem thread* I never actually stop reading it.
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# ? Aug 24, 2017 04:40 |
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Kilroy posted:In fact, it's really about giving people a choice between socialism and fascism, and hoping they make the right choice, as opposed to the Democrats' plan of giving people a choice between fascism and nothing, and hoping that confuses people enough that they vote for nothing in slightly larger numbers. Because that's all liberalism is, that's all the ideas you'll ever bring to the table: nothing. And it doesn't even work, because too many people interpret the choice your party gives them as a choice between "nothing" and "something" and - surprise, surprise - they go with "something". It's one of the small comforts of the last election that, because of how far Hillary bent over bacwards to accommodate you petulant shits, you end up saying that the most leftist platform in history is nothing, because you keep forgetting the facts of the election and need it to be that mean old Hillary really was a centrist, because otherwise your narrative is fill of poo poo.
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# ? Aug 24, 2017 04:56 |
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Fulchrum posted:It's one of the small comforts of the last election that, because of how far Hillary bent over bacwards to accommodate you petulant shits, you end up saying that the most leftist platform in history is nothing, because you keep forgetting the facts of the election and need it to be that mean old Hillary really was a centrist, because otherwise your narrative is fill of poo poo. The "most leftist platform in history" was a joke. Also the platform is meaningless campaign promises, go look at Obama's platform and see how much of it got enacted. quote:Review NAFTA - Obama promised to review NAFTA and other free trade agreements to protect labor and the environment. He included those safeguards in agreements with Korea, Colombia, and Panama, but has not yet tackled NAFTA. He repeated his promise in the 2012 campaign to end tax breaks for outsourcing. For more, see Obama and Trade.
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# ? Aug 24, 2017 04:57 |
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Fulchrum posted:It's one of the small comforts of the last election that, because of how far Hillary bent over bacwards to accommodate you petulant shits, you end up saying that the most leftist platform in history is nothing, because you keep forgetting the facts of the election and need it to be that mean old Hillary really was a centrist, because otherwise your narrative is fill of poo poo. That's the sort of insight you gain when you take lessons from things like 2016, rather than searching for small comforts and basic satisfaction like a little cockroach.
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# ? Aug 24, 2017 04:59 |
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WampaLord posted:The "most leftist platform in history" was a joke. We could power loving China if we could harness how quickly goalposts move when you argue. And we're right back to there's no such thing as complications, everything always works Bing bong so simple, so they lied cause they're meanie meanpants. And you still somehow can't grasp why you need to be treated like children. Fulchrum fucked around with this message at 05:02 on Aug 24, 2017 |
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Fulchrum posted:We could power loving China if we could harness how quickly goalposts move when you argue. So which is it? Was it the most leftist platform ever, or should the Dems not make any promises at all because we're children and can't understand that doing things is hard? Because if Hillary had gotten elected and then done nothing on the platform, you'd still be here calling us children for expecting her to implement it to the best of her ability. You can't have it both ways.
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