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Ze Pollack posted:fulchrum. Does anyone really think the "most popular" label means much? I mean John McCain used to have that title and look how it turned out. I agree Hillary is bad though. I just think it doesn't prove much except as a talking point.
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Nothing, since as we've seen, Bernie popularity doesn't translate to positions or candidates endorsed, even as low as mayor. Trying to use a popularity that is largely defined by what he isn't is useless when you try to create something that is. I'd say the best use he can be is in getting you fuckwits to stop relentlessly attacking the Democrats, but he can't even really accomplish that.
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He's not here to move the party right and neither am I Edit: Fulchrum, you'd be much more comfortable voting for the Republicans. Edit: I think their positions on women, minorities and guns would irritate you less than the, "stop eating the poor," crowd.
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Accretionist posted:He showed up late and unprepared to push issues against the political godzilla of the Democratic party. I wasn't aware New York or California were red states. Or that getting a thousand more delegates is "barely winning." And instead of "red state olds", what you mean is "Southern people of color".
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Fulchrum posted:Nothing, since as we've seen, Bernie popularity doesn't translate to positions or candidates endorsed, even as low as mayor. Trying to use a popularity that is largely defined by what he isn't is useless when you try to create something that is. I'd say the best use he can be is in getting you fuckwits to stop relentlessly attacking the Democrats, but he can't even really accomplish that. the pragmatist, presented the most popular politician in the country, argues he should not be used for any purpose. curious.
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Fulchrum posted:I wasn't aware New York or California were red states. Or that getting a thousand more delegates is "barely winning." Both Clinton and Sanders had great support from African Americans and other persons of color. Also, it's cynical as gently caress to use them like a talking stick. And it feels racist. They're a demographic. Not a combination talking stick - shield - cudgel for your use. The demographic division of note was 'young vs old'
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the republican party gladly wielded John McCain as a tool to push their agenda while he was the most popular politician in the country, and did so to devastating effect, but for some reason, presented with an opportunity to the same, Fulchrum refuses. admittedly doing so would require the Democratic party to -have- an agenda, but I figure the most popular politician in the country can help them with that if they need any ideas.
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Fulchrum posted:I wasn't aware New York or California were red states. Or that getting a thousand more delegates is "barely winning." nah, red state olds. Hillary's commanding lead in the "thinks black people are subhuman" demographic kinda put your argument to bed and sealed it with a kiss last may.
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Ze Pollack posted:the pragmatist, presented the most popular politician in the country, argues he should not be used for any purpose. I assume that you think we should follow Heath Mello's example? Accretionist posted:Both Clinton and Sanders had great support from African Americans and other persons of color. The breakdown of old V young was 27.8 to 71.6. So no, by the numbers, African Americans went for Hillary in a greater proportion than young people went for Bernie, so the Demographic division of note quite clearly was along Bernie's appeal being more to white people.
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^^ Fulchrum posted:Hillary received 75.9% of African American votes cast in the Democratic primary. A large number of Bernie supporters, many on this forum, said that this meant African Americans votes should be largely discounted in the primary process. No, a large number of Hillfolk pretended as much because the strategy appeared to be drowning the party's left in toxicity and accusations of racism/sexism while offering support for Clinton as a way to become 'one of the good ones' Edit: Ze Pollack posted:nah, red state olds. Hillary's commanding lead in the "thinks black people are subhuman" demographic kinda put your argument to bed and sealed it with a kiss last may. Not to mention Trump's margin of victory being smaller than both Trump's over-performance and Clinton's under-performance with minorities in the Rust Belt. Accretionist fucked around with this message at 01:58 on Aug 25, 2017 |
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Fulchrum posted:I assume that you think we should follow Heath Mello's example? you assume many things, Fulchrum. perhaps you should begin by questioning them. after all, they lead up to Hillary Clinton being defeated by a senile game show host.
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Lemme guess, all that harassment and misoginy, and all those people saying that African Americans as a group are just too stupid to know how to vote, that was all just a "false flag"? Bernie supporters are all perfect, therefore anything bad must just be lies, filthy lies by the crooked lying media. Where have I heard that kind of horseshit being bandied about lately?
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Fulchrum posted:Lemme guess, all that harassment and misoginy, and all those people saying that African Americans as a group are just too stupid to know how to vote, that was all just a "false flag"? Bernie supporters are all perfect, therefore anything bad must just be lies, filthy lies by the crooked lying media. Excluding your own posts, quote where this has been said
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Accretionist posted:Excluding your own posts, quote where this has been said I remember Jefferson Clay saying something about Hispanic and African American males being to dumb tovote for ZHRC in the general.
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Remember the statistical data showing Hillary supporters are more racist than Bernie supporters?
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Crowsbeak posted:I remember Jefferson Clay saying something about Hispanic and African American males being to dumb tovote for ZHRC in the general. Haha, at least he's consistent. Trump's margin was smaller than Clinton's underperformance with a number of demographics. If you blame 'Berniebro turncoats' or whatever, the rationale equally applies to these other demographics, too. Women, African Americans, etc. Which should suggest that maybe it's a poo poo rationale and an unreasonable line of criticism but if you're unwilling to blame Clinton's terrible campaign...
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The Kingfish posted:Remember the statistical data showing Hillary supporters are more racist than Bernie supporters? Oh, but don't you know? Voting for Hillary wipes out at least 5 racisms from your record.
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I have two friends that are young PoC girls and ridiculously hyped for Bernie, doing campaign stuff and all and they were basically crushed at how invisible they were in any discussion. Whenever they tried to offer themselves as examples of Bernie support that wasn't white college bros they were simply ignored, online or offline. Hell, Rosario loving Dawson was all in for Bernie and basically no one gave a gently caress because it was against the narrative.
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And Ben Carson is out there trying to tell people how Trump is the furthest thing from a Nazi. Anecdotal evidence is ignored in favor of statistics. The hell is your point?Accretionist posted:Excluding your own posts, quote where this has been said I find quoting graphic death and rape threats to be unpleasant, but if you've scrubbed it from your memory... http://elitedaily.com/news/politics/bernie-sanders-supporters-texting-threats-official/1495578/ Fulchrum fucked around with this message at 02:28 on Aug 25, 2017 |
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Fulchrum posted:And Ben Carson is out there trying to tell people how Trump is the furthest thing from a Nazi. Anecdotal evidence is ignored in favor of statistics. The hell is your point? and when those statistics point out Hillary's commanding lead in the "thinks black people are subhuman" demographic within the democratic party, well...
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The Kingfish posted:Remember the statistical data showing Hillary supporters are more racist than Bernie supporters? Also, more racist than Kasich supporters.
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Ze Pollack posted:and when those statistics point out Hillary's commanding lead in the "thinks black people are subhuman" demographic within the democratic party, well... You people absolutely loving cling bitterly to that single poll.
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I like how neck-and-neck Clinton supporters are with Kasich supporters.Fulchrum posted:I find quoting graphic death and rape threats to be unpleasant, but if you've scrubbed it from your memory... Do the death threats say, "Bernie Sanders supporters are perfect" if you just want to slag on supporters, there was a lot of anti-semitism from the Clinton camp, a lot of made up poo poo about Sanders and his supporters, they tried to swift boat him over his getting arrested at a civil rights protest, they would do poo poo like put out articles and think pieces using rape-imagery to describe his campaigning, etc. The whole primary was an abjectly disgusting poo poo show that I should've seen coming given how racist Clinton got against Obama I think the game plan was drowning half the base in toxicity and offering Clinton-support as a life boat, assuming demand inelasticity would get them the votes anyways.
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Fulchrum posted:You people absolutely loving cling bitterly to that single poll. remember a few posts ago, when anecdotes meant nothing before statistical data, friend pragmatist? my, how time flies
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Fulchrum posted:You people absolutely loving cling bitterly to that single poll. Fulchrum posted:And Ben Carson is out there trying to tell people how Trump is the furthest thing from a Nazi. Anecdotal evidence is ignored in favor of statistics. The hell is your point? Fulchrum posted:Lemme guess, all that harassment and misoginy, and all those people saying that African Americans as a group are just too stupid to know how to vote, that was all just a "false flag"? Bernie supporters are all perfect, therefore anything bad must just be lies, filthy lies by the crooked lying media. Edit: All in the span of an hour. JC does this FAR better than you Fulchrum. BadOptics fucked around with this message at 02:39 on Aug 25, 2017 |
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BadOptics posted:Edit: All in the span of a few hours. JC does this FAR better than you Fulchrum. JC is comfortable in a praxeological haze. Fulchrum actually cares when reality contradicts him. It is why we will get him in the end.
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Primary talk, it must be May 2016! I have time to warn everyone!
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Accretionist posted:I like how neck-and-neck Clinton supporters are with Kasich supporters. Now, if we can leave your intense persecution complex for just a second, maybe we should restrict this to just things from the real world. I mean, there is a big difference between being at a protest one time and not being named King of Civil Rights, and swift boating, but that would require a bit of perspective. Ze Pollack posted:remember a few posts ago, when anecdotes meant nothing before statistical data, friend pragmatist? Now, I know you are very very stupid, but try to keep up. See, a poll gets more accurate the more people who are a part of it. So, the 30-odd million people who participated in the primary, is a bigger number than the 3,500 Hillary and Bernie supporters in that poll. So, one set of results is more accurate. Does that make sense in your brain?
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Peachfart posted:Primary talk, it must be May 2016! I have time to warn everyone! Debate AND discussion? In my forums? NEVER!
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BadOptics posted:Debate AND discussion? In my forums? NEVER! We all know there is no discussion going on here.
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Fulchrum posted:Now, I know you are very very stupid, but try to keep up. See, a poll gets more accurate the more people who are a part of it. So, the 30-odd million people who participated in the primary, is a bigger number than the 3,500 Hillary and Bernie supporters in that poll. So, one set of results is more accurate. Does that make sense in your brain? goodness. there was a thirty-million person poll on if you thought black people were subhuman? i'd love to see the crosstabs on it, Fulchrum. are the results meaningfully different from the one you have been linked?
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Fulchrum posted:Now, if we can leave your intense persecution complex for just a second, maybe we should restrict this to just things from the real world. I mean, there is a big difference between being at a protest one time and not being named King of Civil Rights, and swift boating, but that would require a bit of perspective. I'd ask the person who posted the wall of Centrist Tweets making GBS threads on the "ALT LEFT" during the protests until one died and they siddenly had to pretend to care...but you'd certinly just ignore it. So, yeah. Persecution complex. That's cute. Whatever lets you sleep at night, I guess.
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Sephyr posted:I'd ask the person who posted the wall of Centrist Tweets making GBS threads on the "ALT LEFT" during the protests until one died and they siddenly had to pretend to care...but you'd certinly just ignore it. The gently caress does right wing pundits making GBS threads on protestors have to do with Bernie being handled with kid gloves from beginning to end in the primary, and you still screaming and ranting that he was smeared worse than anyone ever?
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So to change the topic away from the whining Peter Daou clone... The Nation has an excellent article detailing how the democrats can fight to regain some steam in R=rural areas. https://www.thenation.com/article/how-to-take-back-rural-america/ The Nation posted:How the Democrats Can Take Back Rural America
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Fulchrum posted:The gently caress does right wing pundits making GBS threads on protestors have to do with Bernie being handled with kid gloves from beginning to end in the primary, and you still screaming and ranting that he was smeared worse than anyone ever? Because it wasn't right wing pundits, but liberal, reasonable 'progressive' liberals. Also, kid gloves? Wow. This is entering Alex Jones territory. I wouldn't say Bernie got the worst media smear of all time, though. Not by a long shot. He was ignored/belittled just enough, and it worked.
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remember when the media tried to pretend that bernie was stealing credit from bruce rappaport wrt marching in civil rights protests? that sure is kid gloves!
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Ze Pollack posted:remember a few posts ago, when anecdotes meant nothing before statistical data, friend pragmatist? Only the last question in that graphic has a difference between Clinton and Sanders supporters that exceeds the margin of error. Crowsbeak posted:I remember Jefferson Clay saying something about Hispanic and African American males being to dumb tovote for ZHRC in the general. No, I suggested that the drop in the African American vote for democrats being significantly higher for black men than black women could be explained by sexism, and you started calling me a racist for suggesting sexism is not a phenomenon limited to white men, because you're an idiot who doesn't understand intersectionality.
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