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hyphz posted:Again, the word "blame" is used here to confuse by conflation. He should not _blame_ the customers, because they have done no wrong by not buying a car. But at the same time, unless he is assuming that the customers are automatons, he has no way to assume that he had any control over what happened. He can't evaluate why he's failing because he can't assume the customers' actions were predictable given his. All he - or his boss or anyone else - can say is "I cannot engage in further thought about this situation without resolving the paradox of free will vs. determinism and since that cannot be resolved, evaluation ends here. That of which we cannot speak, we must pass over in silence." Mic drop. The fact that you think of relationships like a property transaction is pretty telling. You don't have to persuade a woman to like you. You are a human being and she is a human being, and if you talk to her as such she will be attracted to you or she won't. You don't convince her of the value of choosing you as a mate. You're not arguing a case. You're not selling something. You're just being a person, and they're being a person. You BOTH have free will, equally. I feel like you're bordering on the idea that women don't really want sex, they have to be tricked into it or something. Let me tell you, girls are just as horny as guys (if not more so), they just have more potential consequences to constrain them if they're not crazy. I feel like you're bordering on PUA type magical thinking. I almost expect you to talk about peacocking and ladder theory next. So anyway, in your weird car argument it's like the people walked into the dealership dead set on buying a car that very day, but the salesman was so offputting that they changed their minds. There's nothing you can do to make a woman attracted to you if she isn't already, but there are thousands of things you can do to repel her even if she started out liking you. Imagined fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Aug 25, 2017 |
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Imagined posted:The fact that you think of relationships like a property transaction is pretty telling. You don't have to persuade a woman to like you. You are a human being and she is a human being, and if you talk to her as such she will be attracted to you or she won't. You don't convince her of the value of choosing you as a mate. You're not arguing a case. You're not selling something. You're just being a person, and they're being a person. You BOTH have free will, equally. That's just a variant on what I'm actually saying. She will be attracted to him, or she won't. Outside a few obvious edge cases it isn't determined by his actions. So why is it his fault if she isn't? (And, um, what's wrong with saying a good looking smart guy won the genetic lottery?)
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hyphz posted:That's just a variant on what I'm actually saying. She will be attracted to him, or she won't. Outside a few obvious edge cases it isn't determined by his actions. So why is it his fault if she isn't? Because I have zero confidence in any of these guys being able to impersonate a human being long enough to not send any sentient being they approach romantically screaming in the opposite direction. Have you heard the saying "If all your relationships fail, the common denominator is you."? How about "If one specific girl doesn't like you, fair enough, but if LITERALLY NO ONE WILL HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOU, EVER, it's probably your fault somehow." If you're a baseball player and you miss one pitch, that's life. If you miss every single pitch anyone's ever thrown at you, ever? That's not because every pitcher you ever faced was just that good, and you might need to reevaluate your technique... Imagined fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Aug 25, 2017 |
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Not being attractive makes doing certain things harder. Being attractive makes doing certain things easier. How much of a difference it makes depend on the situation and the deviation from "average." Success or failure at the end of the day will be a combination of factors. What's the disagreement here?
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sincx posted:What's the disagreement here? "Why do anything at all when there's no guarantee of success because of free will?"
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Shanghaied posted:"Why do anything at all when there's no guarantee of success because of free will?" Lol, that's what this hyphz person is arguing? I guess when you touch the poop too much the poop touches back.
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Imagined posted:Have you heard the saying "If all your relationships fail, the common denominator is you."? And that's exactly what I'm saying is wrong, because of free will. The fact that the follow up is ".. your fault somehow" just shows that the speaker has no idea how and thus can't support their claim. I mean, how many people are we talking about before we're deciding on "literally no one"? "Shanghaied' posted:"Why do anything at all when there's no guarantee of success because of free will?" Nope! Just "There's no guarantee of success because of free will." That's no reason not to do anything, success doesn't have to be guaranteed. It is reason not to blame people who don't succeed, especially if there's no obvious reason why (which I accept there is for warped incels), but certainly not to make judgments like the one above. I mean, it's hardly surprising people end up warped if people around them are hammering into them the idea that there's something fundamentally wrong with them, but won't say what it is.
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it's your fault nobody likes you please
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hyphz posted:And that's exactly what I'm saying is wrong, because of free will. The fact that the follow up is ".. your fault somehow" just shows that the speaker has no idea how and thus can't support their claim. I mean, how many people are we talking about before we're deciding on "literally no one"? If you're 20+ and you've never held hands with someone romantically, it's not "women's free will", it's you. Even if it's because you've only talked to one girl, who shot you down. It's still you, because you quit trying.
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Right? Sure a lot of discussion stressing over why incels are lovely Definitely not as simple as mental illness and laziness, no sir
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Well, I've never seen a single issue on SA for which someone would not play Devil's Advocate, so I'm not sure why it surprised me for someone to stick up for the poor "reasonable" incels from inside this thread, but it did.
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hyphz posted:Again, the word "blame" is used here to confuse by conflation. He should not _blame_ the customers, because they have done no wrong by not buying a car. But at the same time, unless he is assuming that the customers are automatons, he has no way to assume that he had any control over what happened. He can't evaluate why he's failing because he can't assume the customers' actions were predictable given his. All he - or his boss or anyone else - can say is "I cannot engage in further thought about this situation without resolving the paradox of free will vs. determinism and since that cannot be resolved, evaluation ends here. That of which we cannot speak, we must pass over in silence." Mic drop. Wait are you seriously arguing that there's no middle ground between 'having complete control over a situation' and 'having no control over a situation'? Cause follows effect.
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Imagined posted:There's nothing you can do to make a woman attracted to you if she isn't already, but there are thousands of things you can do to repel her even if she started out liking you. Working out, getting nice clothes, haircuts, becoming a more interesting person and working on your social skills?
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lol posted:Nothing but respect for this guy. He is both physically and intellectually superior to me. He deserves all the recognition he's getting.
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# ? Aug 25, 2017 03:14 |
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I don't understand this car dealership argument or how it started, but it is tedious as hell.
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an incel posted:An anglecel is a guy who is good looking from most angles, except one angle where he looks extremely subhuman. Most of the more attractive but not super good looking normies are anglecel.
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Indistinguishable from parody
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# ? Aug 25, 2017 03:49 |
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trouble in paradise (this is the 10th most upvoted post of all-time on r/incels)
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Shanghaied posted:
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an incel posted:Consider this, the seven deadly sins of history applied to western women in 2017. Modern womyn are notorious for committing these sins and I will cite a few examples. Female independence, sexual liberation, no consequences for ones actions results in said women being given carte blanche to do as they will to men in the dating/life game.
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an incel posted:Many people including some proof posted by an incel shows that Our community is practically regarded as the worst community out there, even though there are other far more evil and popular subs, like child rape, violent racism, sadistic misogyny and terrorism. In our controlled media, there is often a dark reason behind such concentrated public animosity, and things are never so simple. What could be the reason for us being labelled by the illuminati as public enemy number 1? How are incels such a threat to the system that we get our very own brigade of third world dictatorship style cyber troopers and downvote professionals?
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an incel posted:So here me out I read an article and now I'm thinking, if you look at females today, you see they're nothing like the men of the homo species, our human ancestors. The earliest Human fossils are men. Female fossils don't come til much later.
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an incel posted:I see some people debate this. You can't be both an incel and a cuck.
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is there some reason why incels use "womyn"? as far as i know "womyn" is only used by uber-feminists
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Koyaanisgoatse posted:is there some reason why incels use "womyn"? as far as i know "womyn" is only used by uber-feminists They want to distance themselves from women. women who use womyn want to distance themselves from men.
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# ? Aug 25, 2017 04:07 |
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Chadler.
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china bot posted:
What does cuck even mean anymore?? Like at least when it was just a fetish thing it had a definition, now everything is cucking everything else all the time.
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What does cuck even mean anymore?? Like at least when it was just a fetish thing it had a definition, now everything is cucking everything else all the time. [/quote] What does gently caress even mean? In a thousand years will we have advanced to where Huck, Buck, and Luck are curse words bereft of any context too?
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Say Nothing posted:Chadler. Chadler, seriously? Chadolf.
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Croisquessein posted:What does cuck even mean anymore?? Like at least when it was just a fetish thing it had a definition, now everything is cucking everything else all the time.
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Think it was only if you had the "misfortune" of having a daughter, cause you'd take care of her and she would love her daddy until she hit that age where she starts lusting for Chad and then stop loving you or some poo poo. Kill all incels
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# ? Aug 25, 2017 07:47 |
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Reminder that these idiots get all their beliefs from porn and there was at least one porn site where the theme was "daughters gently caress dudes in front of crying fathers". Every single one of their hosed-up beliefs was formed with one hand on their dicks.
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# ? Aug 25, 2017 08:17 |
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lmao at anglecel. I'm perfect from all directions, particularly underneath.
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# ? Aug 25, 2017 08:39 |
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I legit want to hear how this guy thinks male-only humans reproduced.
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# ? Aug 25, 2017 10:23 |
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My dude, let me tell you about the Omegaverse...
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Hobologist posted:Chadler, seriously? THANKyou
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# ? Aug 25, 2017 11:17 |
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/r/Incels: I'm no scientist but I bet if you tested it you'd find proof
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angelcel He looks like a regular guy with decent features, but then the femoid spots his wings and halo and it's all over (j/k, wings and halo are worth at least a +2)
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Palpek posted:/r/Incels: I'm no scientist but I bet if you tested it you'd find proof The worst thing about incels is that I get the urge to try and lead them through the mistakes in their thinking. It's frustrating to know how badly they'd rationalize their bad arguments.
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