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Aug 25, 2017 04:08
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Sephyr posted:https://twitter.com/DougHenwood/status/896507233588178947 how much sheetcake are these people eating now? or donuts?
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Aug 25, 2017 04:10
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Motto posted:just lol if we get to 2019 and every discussion is still in context of the 2016 primary It will never end
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Aug 25, 2017 04:10
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Condiv posted:remember when the media tried to pretend that bernie was stealing credit from bruce rappaport wrt marching in civil rights protests? that sure is kid gloves! So literally the best you have for this media smear campaign is one Washington Post writer saying that it wasn't Sanders in one photo, which he then walked back? This is the greatest injustice that has ever befallen anyone, according to you?
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Aug 25, 2017 04:21
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Motto posted:just lol if we get to 2019 and every discussion is still in context of the 2016 primary The year is 2056. The USA is a shell of its former self, mostly destroyed and heavily radioactive. Survivors search through trash piles trying to find something valuable to sell or eat. One of them coughs and sighs 'If only Hillary had won.' Another yells in anger, 'No! If only Bernie had won!' Both are then shot by corporate police for disturbing the peace.
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Aug 25, 2017 04:24
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joepinetree posted:In the beginning I thought that Glenn Greenwald was going overboard on his Russia investigation stance. And then most centrist publications and a bunch of Blairites and Clintonites decided to attack Corbyn for not being hawkish enough on Russia and he is absolutely right: regardless of what happens with Trump, the whole Russia thing is going to be used as a cudgel to attack anyone who isn't sufficiently hawkish on foreign policy. OTOH, https://twitter.com/mattmfm/status/900887102346416128 Cerebral Bore posted:What's double great is that slate is super mad about Corbs congratulating Maduro once four years ago while the Tories have literally greenlighted british companies selling arms and crowd control equipment to Venezuela for nearly a decade. I'm pretty sure they're mad at Corbs for, when asked if he'd condemn Maduro, said "What I condemn is the violence that’s been done by any side, by all sides, in all this", 6 weeks ago. That was after saying "“The people who have died – either those on the streets or security forces that have been attacked by people on the street – all of those lives are terrible for the loss of them." All lives matter, from my Jezza?
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Aug 25, 2017 04:27
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fulchrum, peachbutt and jc all together is well-nigh unstoppable. centrist ginyu force
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Aug 25, 2017 04:32
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Condiv posted:how much sheetcake are these people eating now? or donuts? We may never know. They should build statues to memorialize their stoic sacrifice. The Monument of the Unknown Cake Eater.
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Aug 25, 2017 04:35
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Calibanibal posted:fulchrum, peachbutt and jc all together is well-nigh unstoppable. centrist ginyu force Excuse me, I am a center-right Hillbot Neoliberal DNC-shill.
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Aug 25, 2017 04:37
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JeffersonClay posted:
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Aug 25, 2017 04:41
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Maybe it was because Hillary Clinton had house slaves back yonder in the late 20th century that drew their ire.
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Aug 25, 2017 04:45
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Crowsbeak posted:If the shoe fits...... Isn't it more the Jackboot with you people? Because you're a Nazi, and constantly screeching Nazi propaganda, you see. I figured I might need to spell it out for you.
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Aug 25, 2017 05:07
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Aug 25, 2017 05:17
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Fulchrum aka Peter Daou posted:Isn't it more the Jackboot with you people? I think this is projection. Considering you're the one who fought with Kataeb.
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Peachfart posted:Please don't call everyone a Nazi, it gives cover to actual Nazis and white supremacists. what do you think centrists were trying to do when they were calling everyone left of hillary the alt-left? 
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Aug 25, 2017 05:43
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Peachfart posted:Please don't call everyone a Nazi, it gives cover to actual Nazis and white supremacists. This line of argument was used to shut down criticism of the nazis who write propaganda that Crowsbeak eagerly repeats.
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Oh man, I know I missed all the fun but Fulchrum posted:It's one of the small comforts of the last election that, because of how far Hillary bent over bacwards to accommodate you petulant shits, you end up saying that the most leftist platform in history is nothing, because you keep forgetting the facts of the election and need it to be that mean old Hillary really was a centrist, because otherwise your narrative is fill of poo poo. Fulchrum posted:Wait, what? If you have proven that you are completely and totally incapable of ever dealing with the truth, of course they should lie to you. The Dems respect for voters and leftists in particular was a huge problem in the election, and they need to treat you like chimps. "Hillary ran the most leftist platform in history*, and it still wasn't good enough for the petulant moronic voters!" "Was she lying about that platform?" "Of course she was! All the Democrats lie, every time, all the time, they have to, because if they told you what they really plan to do you'd be too stupid to vote for more bailouts for the rich and austerity for you and endless wars for your kids to die in, you don't know what's good for you!"  *not the most leftist platform in history
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Peachfart posted:Please don't call everyone a Nazi, it gives cover to actual Nazis and white supremacists. shut it nazi
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Calibanibal posted:shut it nazi Heil Stalin
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Aug 25, 2017 05:53
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BitcoinRockefeller posted:As I'm sure we all know slate is bad dem central and their insipid article about the absolute boy has some gold in the comments. This article is written by an idiot, but although I'm not familiar with British politics enough to know how many of these claims would be true, quite a few of them would actually be really bad if they were true, with regards to Corbyn and his political views. That doesn't change the reality that the Blairites are little babies throwing tantrums and need to fall in line behind the party, however. Also no one gives a poo poo about comment sections lmao.
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Aug 25, 2017 05:54
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Aug 25, 2017 05:58
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VitalSigns posted:Oh man, I know I missed all the fun but I know your comprehension is bad and all, but how do you manage to mix up the future, and the past. The problem is they have been trying to respect you, and have been telling you the truth. Clearly, that is a bad idea.
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Aug 25, 2017 06:00
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Kilroy posted:So do you and Fulchrum coordinate when you're coming off your probations so he can warm up the thread for you when you're due to be let out? If JC and Fulchrum stopped posting in this thread it would get like 10 posts a day, this is the most activity it's gotten in a month. 
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Aug 25, 2017 06:03
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There's also the media outlet purchased by the campaign being used to castigate Sanders for imagined sexism
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Lightning Knight posted:If JC and Fulchrum stopped posting in this thread it would get like 10 posts a day, this is the most activity it's gotten in a month. Untrue, there have been times the centrists aren't posting and yet the thread manages to move along just fine. Please do not encourage them, I'm serious. They don't argue in good faith, the moving of goalposts and the words they put into other people's mouths are a sight to behold. They'd much rather battle the imaginary straw version of this thread that they've constructed in their minds than actually engage honestly with any of us.
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WampaLord posted:Untrue, there have been times the centrists aren't posting and yet the thread manages to move along just fine. Please do not encourage them, I'm serious. I just think they're funny, and that this thread is much funnier when it's arguing with them than posting Tweets and acting like they represent the heartbeat of the American political soul in 2017.
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Lightning Knight posted:If JC and Fulchrum stopped posting in this thread it would get like 10 posts a day, this is the most activity it's gotten in a month. Just that much more time we can spend vomiting at reality. Edit: baseless and no corroboration so far, but scuttlebutt says congressional democrats are entertaining budget concessions in order to pass a censure of Donald Trump. Nothing to clearly back this yet, but it might give this thread some actual content in the future. ded redd fucked around with this message at 06:13 on Aug 25, 2017 |
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Office Pig posted:entertaining budget concessions in order to pass a censure of Donald Trump. Giving up in exchange for a meaningless symbolic victory? No, that doesn't sound like the Democratic party to me. ...  Lightning Knight posted:I just think they're funny, and that this thread is much funnier when it's arguing with them than posting Tweets and acting like they represent the heartbeat of the American political soul in 2017. If they actually were interested in arguing honestly, I'd like them more, but since I can't bring this topic up in the Trump thread (and we really need to eventually have this centrist vs leftist conversation, y'all can't just keep kicking the can down the road), I guess this is all we get.
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Fulchrum posted:I know your comprehension is bad and all, but how do you manage to mix up the future, and the past. The problem is they have been trying to respect you, and have been telling you the truth. Clearly, that is a bad idea. You were asked a question about the past: "Obama abandoned promises he made in his platform; how can you point to the platform but then tell people they shouldn't expect it to be carried out" and your response was that of course the platform is a lie because the stupid untrustworthy voters wouldn't have voted for Obama if he'd said "I'm going to bail out the banks while your homes go into foreclosure, then protect Wall Street from any criminal charges even if they're flagrantly violating the law and illegally kicking you out of your homes, then I'll pass Romneycare, try to cut Social Security as hard as I can, keep torturing people in Guantanamo for eight years, and Afghanistan will become our forever war as I send soldiers to die who aren't old enough to remember how the war started"
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WampaLord posted:Giving up in exchange for a meaningless symbolic victory? No, that doesn't sound like the Democratic party to me. How do you define "arguing honestly," because I'm pretty sure they totally believe what they're saying and aren't lying.  Also l m a o that nobody loving learned from the Grand Bargain, loving morons.
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Lightning Knight posted:How do you define "arguing honestly," because I'm pretty sure they totally believe what they're saying and aren't lying. What I said earlier, the lack of moving goalposts would be a nice starting point, and not doing poo poo like this where they put words in people's mouth and then argue with their own constructed argument: Fulchrum posted:"Trump did nothing wrong and ran the most scrupulous, ethical and above board campaign ever, and that is a scientific fact" - a Leftist. This style of communication doesn't get us anywhere. You have to engage with what people are saying, not make up strawmen and debate them.
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Lightning Knight posted:How do you define "arguing honestly," because I'm pretty sure they totally believe what they're saying and aren't lying. I mentioned centrists making GBS threads on leftist/antifa during the shitstorm in C-ville. Fulchrum replied that it had nothing to do with anything since it was obviously right-wingers bashing on protesters. I brought up several tweets of liberals bashing leftist counter-protesters while people were literally still bleeding on the sidewalks. Fulchrum immediately picks on another post by someone else and starts calling people real nazis. Rinse, repeat. Trolls never really add much to a thread. Even when they are amusing, which JC and Fulchrum certainly aren't, they keep actual conversation and exposition from happening.
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yronic heroism posted:Does anyone really think the "most popular" label means much? I mean John McCain used to have that title and look how it turned out. It proves that, at the very least, being openly progressive doesn't turn the electorate against you. That being said, I disagree with the "Bernie Sanders' popularity means Americans are clamoring for leftism" interpretation as well. It would be nice if it were true, but Joe Biden is almost as popular as Sanders as, which gives the impression that their popularity is more due to a combination of name recognition and perceived "genuineness". But ultimately all that matters is that moving to the left doesn't seem to harm a politician's chances, so if you believe leftism is good (which I do, and presumably most people in this thread do) there's no reason not to support leftist candidates. The "we can't be leftist because it'll hurt electoral chances" argument no longer holds much water, and it'll continue to be less and less relevant as older people continue to die off and be replaced with people born after the Great Recession. edit: err, "who became adults after the Great Recession", not born, lol Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 04:03 on Aug 26, 2017 |
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Calibanibal posted:When the centrists send their people, they’re not sending their best. They’re bringing insults. They’re bringing shitposts. They’re trolls. And some, I assume, are good people  Well played, sir or madam. Well played.
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Ytlaya posted:It proves that, at the very least, being openly progressive doesn't turn the electorate against you. It stopped holding water the second the most electable centrist in history lost to a dayglo orange piss fascist
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