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Blaze Dragon posted:I'm not sure I can blame the game for Gamma Urayne and Actan when Ghetsis' Hydreigon exists. It's a rather different situation, sure, but it's still one where your cool new legendary dragon that you're forced to get is totally useless. Like, there is a possibility that they wanted to do something similar with Actan and Urayne, but if that was the case, then they hosed it up anyways.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:
"haha, you fools! only now do you realize the folly of your follies!"
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Goddamn Chernobyl for an ability I don't think they could have made something more stupid/funny if they tried, barring giving Urayne a move called "Hiroshima" or "Fat Man/Little Boy" E: Ghetsis and B/W were both supremely melodramatic, but at least he was a fun fight Jen X fucked around with this message at 06:43 on Aug 25, 2017 |
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Aug 25, 2017 06:36
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Onmi posted:Oh then yeah, if you lose here, it's a Game Over. You're forever locked in here unable to get out. So if you saved before fighting Gamma Urayne, and were completely unprepared The game is now locked and you can never win because losing results in a game over and you cannot leave to grind or change your team. There's a reason why Pokemon doesn't pull game overs and instead boots you back to a certain point. Avoiding unwinnable situations (At least very easily accessible ones) is especially important when the player has the ability to save anywhere. Just pulling off something like that is just failing basic game design. XavierGenisi posted:To be fair, you have an entire fight before Ghetsis shows up to use your legendary, and once Ghetsis rolls around, it isn't insta-dead weight for the entire fight. It might be at a disadvantage at some parts, but you aren't phenomenally screwed for trying to use it against anything else that he throws at you Hydreigon is the only real issue with trying to use your legendary dragon, and it's one Pokemon out of six. So yeah, it's not nearly as bad with what Uranium pulls here.
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Aug 25, 2017 06:39
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Of course, you can always not add the legendary dragon to your party. And then beat both N's legendary dragon and Ghetsis' Hydreigon with Shakes the Maractus for good measure. (although looking back at that LP, Zsa Zsa did the heavy lifting on the Hydreigon. Shakes' sucker punch finished it off though) Paul.Power fucked around with this message at 07:13 on Aug 25, 2017 |
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Dr. Fetus posted:There's a reason why Pokemon doesn't pull game overs and instead boots you back to a certain point. Avoiding unwinnable situations (At least very easily accessible ones) is especially important when the player has the ability to save anywhere. Just pulling off something like that is just failing basic game design. Paul.Power posted:And then beat both N's legendary dragon and Ghetsis' Hydreigon with Shakes the Maractus for good measure. Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if the devs thought Urayne being that overpowered was actually cool and good and the kind of difficulty real gamers want.
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My strategy involved repeatedly reviving Actan until Gamma Uradyne's SpA was -6 then murdering it. Because my team was way too fair to deal with this bullshit. For reference: http://imgur.com/Rq6zdnc
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Red Bones posted:I just took a look at Clover's Wiki and honestly the weirdest thing is that the pokedex is a 50/50 mixture of hate speech and pokemon that aren't jokes at all. If you're going to make a horribly offensive comedy game at least commit to a tone. It's largely inoffensive to someone who regularly browses 4chan since the theme isn't being offensive per se, but to be as "meme" as possible. That does mean being occasionally offensive, but not constantly.  Going purely by pokemon that's intentionally offensive, I'd say about 10% of the entire dex falls under that category (there's more than 20 I counted, but it might be higher depending on your sensibilities). At least 75% of it is some sort of meme, reference, or joke, offensive or otherwise, though.
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Haifisch posted:Also these are games balanced Fixed this for you. That part is unnecessary when the thing you're comparing it to is Uranium.
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Aug 25, 2017 08:58
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This kind of thing seems to always happen with fangames and mods and such. They have the knowledge, so they make things to 'challenge' them. Then they wonder what went wrong when everyone else pipes up with 'It's too hard'. I don't think I've seen anything that didn't fall into that.
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I just love that you managed to poo poo all over Uranium's final battle with the best Pokemon in Uranium. What a way to end the story.
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ahaha, eat poo poo, curie. Who needs your melodramatic boasts about DEATH AND AGONY when an adorable dino baby can just stall out everything?
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I loving hate CURIE because of his/her/it's "I have a tragic backstory but everything I say sounds like a try-hard 90's cartoon villain" mindset. Who talks that way? People don't think that way. People don't wake up and say "Gee, how many puppies can I punt into a reactor today to be evil", they would justify their evil acts. "Okay, I need to gather puppies to punt into the reactor because *reasons*". "I feel bad about punting puppies in, but it's the only way I've found for *reason*". Not "Mwahahahahaha, you foolish fools who do foolish things for foolish beliefs! I've stolen all the puppies and punted them all into the reactor for reasons that not even I have thought about!" Or the psychopaths have more character development and are better written than that. I honestly question what CURIE adds that just having Urayne on its own causing the trouble wouldn't have been better. Just have it be a unique legendary Pokémon that eats radioactive material and emits high quantities of radiation, and the reason that it goes after the nuclear plants is because humanity accidentally mined into its cavern home and it's attracted to the high concentrations of refined radioactive material. You could still have the final volcano showdown because by this point, all of the reactors have been hit by it and the volcano has the next largest (natural) supply of radioactive materials. Hell, have the Hazmas be a species of Pokémon that evolved alongside it and fed off of its emissions. Boom, you have something causing chaos and shutting down plants, a final showdown, and you cut out the tryhard edgelord crap.
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but then no one will know what a cool and gritty and very adult writer you are
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Randalor posted:I honestly question what CURIE adds that just having Urayne on its own causing the trouble wouldn't have been better. Just have it be a unique legendary Pokémon that eats radioactive material and emits high quantities of radiation, and the reason that it goes after the nuclear plants is because humanity accidentally mined into its cavern home and it's attracted to the high concentrations of refined radioactive material. You could still have the final volcano showdown because by this point, all of the reactors have been hit by it and the volcano has the next largest (natural) supply of radioactive materials. Hell, have the Hazmas be a species of Pokémon that evolved alongside it and fed off of its emissions. Boom, you have something causing chaos and shutting down plants, a final showdown, and you cut out the tryhard edgelord crap. You're right, Metroid Prime is a better game than this.
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Huh, I didn't even realize that what I wrote was basically the plot of Metroid Prime but without "also, Space Pirates doing hilarious experiments that end in failure".
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I now want the dialogue you get for losing, cause to game over in a pokemon game, the plot would have to outright kill you on the spot. I mean all the other times you just white out, so a game over means U R DED SON
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I definitely wouldn't expect any extra dialogue for losing - just a straight game over screen, like you'd get if you lost in the Nuzlocke mode (barring any fights that it's fine to lose in a normal game like the first rival battle). At least I assume you get a game over screen if you lose in the Nuzlocke mode.
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Randalor posted:Huh, I didn't even realize that what I wrote was basically the plot of Metroid Prime but without "also, Space Pirates doing hilarious experiments that end in failure".   It's too bad no one in this game is anywhere near as entertaining as the Space Pirates in Prime 2.
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Aug 25, 2017 17:08
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Reading about Science Team's incompetence was one of the best things about the Prime trilogy.
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FPzero posted:
Imagining the games from the Space Pirates' point of view makes the entire Phaaze incident a flat-out comedy I can't wait for more of their suffering Scanning one slow-moving metroid in their base in Prime will actually show that it ate a pet treat and has indigestion
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Next time: the sympathetic backstory that makes us feel sorry for CURIE and Urayne. Literally why would you do this with a villain that literally just quoted Oppenheimer and was about to blow the entire region to pieces. Why.
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They got the order of operations of "how to build a sympathetic villain" wrong. 
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the Orb of Zot posted:Literally why would you do this with a villain that literally just quoted Oppenheimer and was about to blow the entire region to pieces. I mean that isn't unusual for a game to do but... we've seen CURIE all of, what, two times? Maybe three? And their dialogue hasn't really amounted to much. If you want to try and redeem a villain, you usually have to sprinkle a bit more throughout the game about them. Or you know, make them actually exist for more then 5% of the game
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Vinylshadow posted:MP2 (the entire Trilogy (+1 if one wants to preemptively count Prime 4)) was basically Space Pirates and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Bunch Of Months Prime 1: "Hey cool, we found some space rocks! Let's see what they do! ...okay, control may be a bit of a problem, but we'll get there. Oh poo poo, Samus is here." Prime 2: "Oh poo poo, there's more than one Samus." Prime 3: "Oh poo poo, Samus is controlling us! Help us, Samus!"
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Dr. Fetus posted:There's a reason why Pokemon doesn't pull game overs and instead boots you back to a certain point. Avoiding unwinnable situations (At least very easily accessible ones) is especially important when the player has the ability to save anywhere. Just pulling off something like that is just failing basic game design. Seconding this, not to mention that before Ghetsis, you must fight N who leads with the other mascot dragon so your dragon can actually benefit from the Fusion ____'s effect. So Reshiram/Zekrom ends up being more of a reliable (but not something that can completely carry you through the end fight and thus invalidate the team you've built) asset during those two battles than a liability.
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Scintilla posted:Reading about Science Team's incompetence was one of the best things about the Prime trilogy. My favorite is when you scan the logs about trying to replicate the morph ball. 
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Zore posted:My favorite is when you scan the logs about trying to replicate the morph ball. Ah yes, the fact they literally haven't had one test where the tester's spine didn't shatter.
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Bloodly posted:This kind of thing seems to always happen with fangames and mods and such. They have the knowledge, so they make things to 'challenge' them. Then they wonder what went wrong when everyone else pipes up with 'It's too hard'. There's a few redesign mods for FFT that aren't total trashfires, and AM2R doesn't require anything like physics manipulation or really anything too much worse than you'd expect from actual Super Metroid. You better believe if a romhack claims to "fix balance issues", though, it's shifting the paradigm to Bullshit Difficulty. Epicmissingno posted:I definitely wouldn't expect any extra dialogue for losing - just a straight game over screen, like you'd get if you lost in the Nuzlocke mode (barring any fights that it's fine to lose in a normal game like the first rival battle). At least I assume you get a game over screen if you lose in the Nuzlocke mode. Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:
They might have fixed that. I forget. But at least when OFS showed it off, you sure didn't.
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Racist bullshit aside, you know what I like about Clover? There is a sign in the game that says 'This game isn't designed for Nuzlocke runs, but if you're stupid enough to try then go for it.' Instead of pretending it's a legit option ie this game. Because you can't just throw whatever bullshit you want at Tico and expect to not get your rear end set on fire.
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Xelkelvos posted:I'm watching someone stream Clover and there's some really bad (read: offensive) jokes mixed in with some good ones. The "lightyears away from Brock" one is good, but then there's the second gym path being in the shape of the transgender symbol as a dig at tumblr. Those are just minor examples. Post the major examples.
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KataraniSword posted:They might have fixed that. I forget. But at least when OFS showed it off, you sure didn't. The reason for that happening, though, was because OFS tried to enter a battle with no living Pokemon. The first rival battle is, to my knowledge, the only fight in the game where you can lose without getting sent back to a Pokemon Centre or the player character's house, and if you do end up losing you just get healed back up to full. Presumably they programmed that with the same code used for healing at a Pokemon Centre, which doesn't revive dead Pokemon in a Nuzlocke playthrough. Losing any other fight in said mode gives you this screen:  Presumably the game only checks for getting a game over when you would normally be sent back to a Centre or your house, which seems kind of weird. Epicmissingno fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Aug 25, 2017 |
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krisslanza posted:I mean that isn't unusual for a game to do but... we've seen CURIE all of, what, two times? Maybe three? Or once more establish a sympathetic/justifiable backstory which actually makes them going the nuclear option make a little more sense.
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Gonna throw out a random guess and say that our little edgelord here is Dick Solomon's Mom
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theGrooseofLegend posted:Gonna throw out a random guess and say that our little edgelord here is Dick Solomon's Mom It's way too obvious a "twist" to not be the case.
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People have been guessing that since CURIE was first revealed.
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Curie being the protag's mom is so stupidly obvious that I expect Uranium to somehow gently caress up even this bone-dumb reveal. Like, inside the suit is a Nuclear Garlikid who went crazy after being corrupted and decided to kill all humans, and also it was itself a human?
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KataraniSword posted:There's a few redesign mods for FFT that aren't total trashfires, and AM2R doesn't require anything like physics manipulation or really anything too much worse than you'd expect from actual Super Metroid.
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theGrooseofLegend posted:Gonna throw out a random guess and say that our little edgelord here is Dick Solomon's Mom Is it a random guess when it's been so obviously telegraphed it hurts? I'll be more surprised if this isn't the case.
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