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Tenzarin posted:Neytiri te Tskaha Mo'at’ite is a hunter, teacher, warrior. There's a point to be made here that, even as relatively simple as Avatar is, she's written as a participatory partner in the conflict and not a trophy or a damsel. She takes her share of kills and in the end is the one to ride to the rescue to shoot Quaritch off Jake's avatar's back.
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Tenzarin posted:She saves her love interest. A male role, but cast a woman.
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Inescapable Duck posted:I was just about to bring up that Dances With Avatar Lady wasn't really much of a point given the utter clicheness of it all Michelle Rodriguez came back after explicitly dying in the Resident Evil series and in the Fast and the Furious series, so with four Avatar sequels happening I'm sure it's just a matter of time.
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Neo Rasa posted:Michelle Rodriguez came back after explicitly dying in the Resident Evil series and in the Fast and the Furious series, so with four Avatar sequels happening I'm sure it's just a matter of time. Isn't Sigourney Weaver signed on for all the sequels too? I assume she'll be like, the face of Eywa, or whatever.
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I heard they're going to bring back Quaritch as well as a clone or something. You know what, I hope they get absolutely silly.
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Tenzarin posted:She saves her love interest. On the topic of Suicide Squad, everything I've read says it was nominated and won for Best Makeup and Hairstyling. There's no mention of a second Oscar. Mr. Apollo fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Aug 25, 2017 |
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Mr. Apollo posted:She's got Diana beat there. My assumption was whoever made that comment thought they were separate awards
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Mr. Apollo posted:She's got Diana beat there. Viola Davis won best supporting actress for her role in it.
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Neo Rasa posted:Viola Davis won best supporting actress for her role in it. lol no she did not, she won it for Fences e: unless that's the joke 
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MacheteZombie posted:e: unless that's the joke Suicide Squad has more Oscars than King Kong, Mean Streets, Psycho, etc. combined.
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Neo Rasa posted:Suicide Squad has more Oscars than King Kong, Mean Streets, Psycho, etc. combined. And just as many as the entire Shrek franchise
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Neo Rasa posted:LOL the interview where they he's just in full marketing mode basically like "Yeah we did a lot of work to make sure she was an alien but still very fuckable." https://twitter.com/lizlet/status/900967403630215168 "Most of men's problems with women probably have to do with realizing women are real" "Right from the beginning I said, "She's got to have tits," even though that makes no sense"
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That seems like a coherent explanation of how he's pandering and why it works.
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Crappy Jack posted:https://twitter.com/lizlet/status/900967403630215168 I'm the 'because she is lit by orange firelight it lights up her nipples. That was good except we're going for a pg-13 rating we had to fix it.'
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gohmak posted:Wait, what? How is the a step forward? How is it not? Cameron dismisses Wonder Woman as an objectified icon (where he entirely misses the point of the character) and undermines the film's success because of that, saying all its praise is misguided. Him saying the film is a step backward is what's misguided considering the tweet I embedded neatly sums up how the movie not only transcends typical reactions from "male Hollywood" as he says, but its success and inspiration crosses into demographics that many female-led films, his included, have never reached, and it does so with great cultural effect at that. [edit] As an aside, I love Etta  https://twitter.com/WonderWomanFilm/status/901196545466355714 teagone fucked around with this message at 23:50 on Aug 25, 2017 |
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Beatrix Kiddo, assassin, martial arts master, mother. She started and finished a war.
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Mr. Apollo posted:She's got Diana beat there. I love Avatar, a lot, but Steve Trevor was a victim of circumstance. He died a true hero 
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RedSpider posted:Oh boohoo. She's trying to build publicity off of Cameron's name, you twat. It's the worst form of virtue signaling. And Sarah Connor — in both Terminator films — was a much better female character in every aspect. You know, I hate to just straight up say this, but I think your kind of acting like a big sexist knob.
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Tenzarin posted:Beatrix Kiddo, assassin, martial arts master, mother. Tarantino is... another story. Though last I checked he pretty much specialises in minority revenge porn lately, which is also a lot more thematically interesting, so it's all good.
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teagone posted:How is it not? Cameron dismisses Wonder Woman as an objectified icon (where he entirely misses the point of the character) and undermines the film's success because of that, saying all its praise is misguided. Him saying the film is a step backward is what's misguided considering the tweet I embedded neatly sums up how the movie not only transcends typical reactions from "male Hollywood" as he says, but its success and inspiration crosses into demographics that many female-led films, his included, have never reached, and it does so with great cultural effect at that. How is a tweet of little girls cosplay a step forward? Now woman have a problematic action figure to idolize like boys have? That’s your step forward? gohmak fucked around with this message at 12:40 on Aug 26, 2017 |
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BrianWilly posted:Problematic how? Step forward how?
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Every time someone posts the pictures of little girls excited to see Wonder Woman stuff I think of the little girls excited to see Ghostbusters 2016 stuff. Crazy idea, you can be inspiring to little kids and still have made an incredibly poo poo movie. Not that Wonder Woman is an incredibly poo poo movie, but by do those last twenty minutes turn into a complete waste of everything beforehand.
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Tenzarin posted:Beatrix Kiddo, assassin, martial arts master, mother. It's worth stating that no one is upset at badass warrior women with troubled pasts or trauma. The Bride is a fine character, as are Sarah Connor and Furiosa. The objection is entirely the notion that this archetype is somehow the best or only permissible archetype, and that Wonder Woman is somehow a worse character for being innocent.
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To give Cameron a little more credit, his point isn't that it's better to have women who are warriors with troubled pasts rather than women who are warriors and also basically perfect. His point is that men get to be complex, troubled heroes with interesting character flaws, men don't always have to be gorgeous objectified sex objects when they're action heroes, etc., and it would be better if women were like that too (which is what Connor and Ripley are like). He's wrong because there are plenty of cheesecake men like Wonder Woman, so there's nothing wrong with having women like Wonder Women, but he's not as bad as someone who thinks that for a woman to be an action hero she's gotta be hosed up somehow, which is definitely a thing some people think.
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gohmak posted:Now woman have a problematic action figure to idolize like boys have? That’s your step forward? How and why is this problematic? Please explain. gohmak posted:Step forward how? teagone posted:How is it not? Cameron dismisses Wonder Woman as an objectified icon (where he entirely misses the point of the character) and undermines the film's success because of that, saying all its praise is misguided. Him saying the film is a step backward is what's misguided considering the tweet I embedded neatly sums up how the movie not only transcends typical reactions from "male Hollywood" as he says, but its success and inspiration crosses into demographics that many female-led films, his included, have never reached, and it does so with great cultural effect at that.
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Schwarzwald posted:It's worth stating that no one is upset at badass warrior women with troubled pasts or trauma. The Bride is a fine character, as are Sarah Connor and Furiosa. I would agree that WW is not a step backwards like Cameron argues but I’m not convinced it was a step forward either. I could care less if it was hyper successful. Transformers is hyper successful but I will not allow my 6 year old son to watch Optimus Prime behead enemies as they plead for their life.
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The Cameo posted:Every time someone posts the pictures of little girls excited to see Wonder Woman stuff I think of the little girls excited to see Ghostbusters 2016 stuff. I know you're not necessarily comparing Wonder Woman 2017 to Ghostbusters 2016, but come on. The message of Wonder Woman, both the film and the character, are
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[quote="“teagone”" post="“475769785”"] I know you’re not necessarily comparing Wonder Woman 2017 to Ghostbusters 2016, but come on. The message of Wonder Woman, both the film and the character, are [/quote] I haven’t seen Ghostbusters 2016 but explain how so? What does WW represent that little girls should aspire?
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BrianWilly posted:Problematic how? Let’s start with she’s a white woman.
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gohmak posted:I haven’t seen Ghostbusters 2016 but explain how so? What does WW represent that little girls should aspire? Ghostbusters 2016 is a terrible film with zero message; it's an advertisement parading around as a film using a nostalgic property and brand recognition to trick you into thinking it's an actual movie. Instead you're just met with a boring story and characters that are flat and nonsensical, with no true emotional arcs among them to latch on to. What sucks the most is 3/4 of the core cast are supposed to be scientists, but the film does a really poor job presenting this because the characters are so poorly written. It's a soulless movie, through and through. Wonder Woman 2017 in comparison has a lot of heart and the film's/character's core message of "love conquers all" is about as wholesome as you can get. With all the dreary real world poo poo going on right now, a movie like Wonder Woman is a great thing to have around imo.
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gohmak posted:I could care less if it was hyper successful. Transformers is hyper successful but I will not allow my 6 year old son to watch Optimus Prime behead enemies as they plead for their life. That is like the best part of Dark of the Moon. Megatron says to Prime, "what would you be without me" and then he says " time to find out" and he axe murders him! Then he shoots his mentor in the face with a space robot shotgun for betraying all of his kind and trying to enslave the humans. I also think his mentor begged for his life too, it was sweet. gohmak posted:I haven’t seen Ghostbusters 2016 but explain how so? What does WW represent that little girls should aspire? Be a god that's immune to bullets with the power to slowmo and sex the male love interest before he dies. What a high bar Wonder Woman set. drat she copied the plot to terminator one! Tenzarin fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Aug 26, 2017 |
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Tenzarin posted:That is like the best part of Dark of the Moon. Megatron says to Prime, "what would you be without me" and then he says " time to find out" and he axe murders him! Then he shoots his mentor in the face with a space robot shotgun for betraying all of his kind and trying to enslave the humans. And be a westernized beauty standard white woman.
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gohmak posted:And be a westernized beauty standard white woman. She was crafted by Zeus! How did he even know?
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gohmak posted:And be a beautiful white woman. Not sure what agenda you're pushing here, but do you really feel Diana being beautiful diminishes the core value of the character or the film in any way? Quoting Patty again, because it's worth repeating: "If women have to always be hard, tough, and troubled to be strong, and we aren't free to be multidimensional or celebrate an icon of women everywhere because she is attractive and loving, then we haven't come very far have we. I believe women can and should be everything just like male lead characters should be. There is no right and wrong kind of powerful woman." [edit] Oh you slightly edited your post for some reason. teagone fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Aug 26, 2017 |
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gohmak posted:And be a westernized beauty standard white woman. So are you purposely ignoring the fact that she's Jewish or what? Yeah, she definitely checks a lot of Western beauty standard boxes, but it's not very often that you see an olive-skinned foreign actress star in a big American blockbuster.
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