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Egg Moron
Jul 21, 2003

the dreams of the delighting void

Data Graham posted:

Seriously, the alt-right nazis don't actually get boners over building churches and making people more Christian, do they? I was under the impression that the religion aspect was rather minor in those circles.

The adoption of the Christian identity stuff seems like it is a combination of the inclusion of more traditional white nationalist figures like David Duke into the alt-right, antagonism against Islam, attempts to drive their politics further into the mainstream, and I'm sure some are there for the redemptive power of Christ.


Data Graham posted:

E: ^^ Fuckin hell though, I really wish that music weren't so catchy, I've had it stuck in my head against my will


Reminds me of the time I was bullshitting about music with one of my boys and he was like "Skrewdriver's first album is pretty good tho, before the RAC poo poo" and I am like "THAT IS HOW THEY GET YOU"

Egg Moron has issued a correction as of 18:51 on Aug 25, 2017

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Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012
Fashwave is pretty bad at conveying fascism since its indifferentiable from apolitical vapourwave except for the song/artist titles, You guys comparing this to triumph of the will are illiterate cucks

Admiral Ray
May 17, 2014

Proud Musk and Dogecoin fanboy

Slim Jim Pickens posted:

Fashwave is pretty bad at conveying fascism since its indifferentiable from apolitical vapourwave except for the song/artist titles, You guys comparing this to triumph of the will are illiterate cucks

i dunno what ever gave you the impression that we weren't illiterate cucks

Montasque
Jul 18, 2003

Living in a hateful world sending me straight to Heaven

Data Graham posted:

Well I'm glad at least I wasn't the only one who was confused.



Seriously, the alt-right nazis don't actually get boners over building churches and making people more Christian, do they? I was under the impression that the religion aspect was rather minor in those circles.



E: ^^ Fuckin hell though, I really wish that music weren't so catchy, I've had it stuck in my head against my will

Don't worry - it's not fashwave, it's just music from a video game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w0F0eMzD38

Yes, CYBERNAZI is a fraud!

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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:vince:

Egg Moron
Jul 21, 2003

the dreams of the delighting void

Montasque posted:

Don't worry - it's not fashwave, it's just music from a video game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w0F0eMzD38

Yes, CYBERNAZI is a fraud!

THank loving god I can enjoy it without muh guilt

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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*cranks it up*

*coworkers familiar with it from the video turn towards me :catstare:*

ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

i ain't watchin no nazi vid

crime weed
Nov 9, 2009

Data Graham posted:

Seriously, the alt-right nazis don't actually get boners over building churches and making people more Christian, do they? I was under the impression that the religion aspect was rather minor in those circles.
most of the internet nazis are atheists, yeah.

honestly, though, i don't really think it's worth splitting hairs over; the overarching message of the video is pretty clear, and in-line with the whole alt-right narrative -- it covers SJWs, Jews, White Genocide, etc.

Grondoth
Feb 18, 2011

Office Pig posted:

i ain't watchin no nazi vid

It's really pathetic. Knowing that the music was stolen makes it even more pathetic.

Grondoth
Feb 18, 2011

Data Graham posted:

Seriously, the alt-right nazis don't actually get boners over building churches and making people more Christian, do they? I was under the impression that the religion aspect was rather minor in those circles.

Not overtly, but Christianity is part of the non-threatening and comfortable world they're looking for.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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Kjoery posted:

most of the internet nazis are atheists, yeah.

honestly, though, i don't really think it's worth splitting hairs over; the overarching message of the video is pretty clear, and in-line with the whole alt-right narrative -- it covers SJWs, Jews, White Genocide, etc.

I think it matters as to whether it's a joke or not.


Though of course Poe's Law, even if it is one it may as well not be.

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.
The main thing that video did is remind me of how homoerotic and fascist 80s action movies were.

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Jeb! Repetition posted:

The main thing that video did is remind me of how homoerotic and fascist 80s action movies were.

The beach running part of Rocky III's training montage in particular springs to mind for that first thing you mentioned.

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

Kjoery posted:

most of the internet nazis are atheists, yeah.

honestly, though, i don't really think it's worth splitting hairs over; the overarching message of the video is pretty clear, and in-line with the whole alt-right narrative -- it covers SJWs, Jews, White Genocide, etc.

the real nazis werent even christians either. they tolerated certain branches of christianity based on those branches' loyalty to the regime while actively persecuting others (most notably the jehovah's witnesses and christian scientists). nazi party officials were largely atheists or just didn't give a poo poo. then of couse you also had the nazis into the esoteric paganism stuff.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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Darkman Fanpage posted:

the real nazis werent even christians either. they tolerated certain branches of christianity based on those branches' loyalty to the regime while actively persecuting others (most notably the jehovah's witnesses and christian scientists). nazi party officials were largely atheists or just didn't give a poo poo. then of couse you also had the nazis into the esoteric paganism stuff.

My feeling is that "Iron Pill" comic is a lot closer to what these people are about, or closer to their psyche. Even if that too is ambiguously self-parody.

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Darkman Fanpage posted:

gently caress the real nazis werent even christians either. they tolerated certain branches of christianity based on those branches' loyalty to the regime while actively persecuting others (most notably the jehovah's witnesses and christian scientists). nazi party officials were largely atheists or just didn't give a poo poo. then of couse you also had the nazis into the esoteric paganism stuff.

I don't think it's right to call them atheists since almost to a man they at least believed in some twisted form of God or higher providence that guided the führer and Aryan race to its great destiny, and many of them were observant of some flavor of Christian worship. Then of course you've also got Rosenberg's Positive Christianity, which attempted to reconcile Christianity with Nazi racial ideology.

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012
i mean nazism as an ideology is a religion in itself complete with its own mythologization of the german "aryan" people that takes a lot from native pre-christianization germanic paganism and odinism. of course much of this is a bastardized retelling of those mythologies. they believed so strongly in their own made up origin stories that they sent archeologists around lookinh for evidence of it.

yoober
Nov 21, 2010


gets are as old as chans

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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Darkman Fanpage posted:

i mean nazism as an ideology is a religion in itself complete with its own mythologization of the german "aryan" people that takes a lot from native pre-christianization germanic paganism and odinism. of course much of this is a bastardized retelling of those mythologies. they believed so strongly in their own made up origin stories that they sent archeologists around lookinh for evidence of it.

Yeah, that's why I brought up that Iron Pill thing, it's full of all that Thule / Norse Gods poo poo.

cargo cult
Aug 28, 2008

by Reene
Oh, hey, a website that's actively aping and mocking Jacobin is providing a manifesto and vision for far right terrorism, like, forreal. I wonder if the FBI will care.

https://jacobitemag.com/2017/06/14/political-violence-is-a-game-the-right-cant-win/

I bet detached white irony will address this

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.
I think it's disingenuous as hell to say that the majority of Nazis weren't Christians. Attempts to revive Norse Paganism were an early phenomenon and mostly given up on when it became apparent it wasn't gonna work out. Nerds like Himmler were basically funding occult passion projects. National Socialism was an extremely Protestant phenomenon. (The Catholics had their own brand of facism, typified by the Fatherland Front in Austria)

I think it's important to realize facism is inherently opportunistic. It will always try to appeal to the largest amount of the dominant group. In Germany's case, this meant trading in Paganism for Protestantism. Another example is how Mussolini was privately an atheist, but publicly made nice with the papacy.

Facism doesn't want to change things, it wants to accumulate as much power as possible and that involves being as palatable as possible to the volk at large.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

cargo cult posted:

Oh, hey, a website that's actively aping and mocking Jacobin is providing a manifesto and vision for far right terrorism, like, forreal. I wonder if the FBI will care.

https://jacobitemag.com/2017/06/14/political-violence-is-a-game-the-right-cant-win/

I bet detached white irony will address this

"Hmm, let's see--I want to copy the leftist magazine renowned for thoughtful content and beautify layouts...what shall I make? A purple blogspot template full of poo poo about how I read LA Kauffman and am waiting for Civil War II, plus an article about how the Something Awful Forums created the modern left!"

https://jacobitemag.com/2017/08/12/how-message-board-culture-remade-the-left/

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

business hammocks posted:

"Hmm, let's see--I want to copy the leftist magazine renowned for thoughtful content and beautify layouts...what shall I make? A purple blogspot template full of poo poo about how I read LA Kauffman and am waiting for Civil War II, plus an article about how the Something Awful Forums created the modern left!"

https://jacobitemag.com/2017/08/12/how-message-board-culture-remade-the-left/

I'm at least mildly insulted that the fucker only went back to the LF/Helldump days and didn't mention us. Keep up with the times, rear end in a top hat! :mad:

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012

Dreddout posted:

Facism doesn't want to change things, it wants to accumulate as much power as possible and that involves being as palatable as possible to the volk at large.


crossposted from chapo thread

Race Realists posted:

https://soundcloud.com/chapo-trap-house/unlocked-episode-133-antifap-feat-shuja-haider-81717


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Assandro Journey at 34:05:
Dissapointing episode. It's weird unanimity among all hosts and guests. Unite the Right was sad postmodernist farce. I'm sorry but I can't see fascists ascendance or fascsm on the rise in Charlottsville protests. It's not the first time Antifa or anti-racists protesters seeked confrontation with Alt-right. It's again not the right context. Alt-righters didn't ascend on black neighborhood yelling and screaming racists slogans. They assembled in public space near statue and they got permit for that. If there were no antifa protesters, then Unite the Right assembly would have been forgotten by now. I'm afraid this hysteria over fascists on the rise plays into hands of those (in center and on cultural the left) who were calling for unity against Trump. So now this anti-racism gonna be weapon to get Trump. And main goal of all leftists and liberals would be oust Trump because fascists on the rise. I think it's all great distraction.

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Assandro Journey at 8:55:
@user-186806394: Nagle, actually, was right. Identity politics and call out culture did cause or contribute to backlash from all sides. People are throwing word fascism so loosely these days it lost its meaning. Why was there so much fuss about Unite the Right protest? It was protest against removal of monument. It wasn't fascist ascendance. Yes, many people from protest were reactionary nihilists and ethno-nationalists but they have the right to protest as well. Now any person on the Left who is not willing to call Charlottsville a fascsist on the rise gonna be condemned or silenced and ignored. That's whole hysteria is great distraction for liberals and pseudo-lefties who wanted unity against Trump. Now they get it,



what the gently caress are you talking about sjw facism is a word that has lost all meanin :downs:

SpaceGoku
Jul 19, 2011

https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/901162908368941056

DeepDickPizza
Oct 11, 2012

THREE TIME! THREE TIME!
lol

https://twitter.com/TheAVClub/status/901149443747131392

Ruzihm
Aug 11, 2010

Group up and push mid, proletariat!



now they call him based man

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006


What is it about nazis and failure?

The part of his set where he attacks teen girls for wanting the hpv vaccine because they're excited to "gently caress immigrants" genuinely raised my brow, even knowing who he became. At least he dropped that weight.

Zikan
Feb 29, 2004

more like busted stickman

https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/901162908368941056

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

business hammocks posted:

What is it about nazis and failure?

Back in 1940, Dorothy Thompson wrote a piece for Harper's Magazine entitled "Who Goes Nazi?" It's delightfully well written and boils down to her core thesis that Nazism appeals to four broad sections of western society: those disaffected by the inability of liberal democracy to live up to its meritocratic promises, resentful losers with overblown opinions of their own abilities, craven amoral opportunists, and psychopaths.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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business hammocks posted:

What is it about nazis and failure?

The part of his set where he attacks teen girls for wanting the hpv vaccine because they're excited to "gently caress immigrants" genuinely raised my brow, even knowing who he became. At least he dropped that weight.

I'm more wondering what it is about nazis and that kind of fast-talking, erudite, linguistic-blitzkrieg kind of verbal style.

When I first saw this guy in the Vice video he reminded me eerily of a whole bunch of people I've known who have this sort of repulsive yet irresistible charisma about them. Even if you hate what they're saying, you're compelled to listen to them just because they seem so drat confident. Talking comes naturally to them, they can hold an audience; in another life they might have been That Theatre Major Guy. Or preachers. Cantwell's not the only one either; some of the other nazis the Vice video talked to have the same kind of oratorical energy, though of a more formulaic, sloganeering kind. But on this track they've managed to aim themselves in a direction where their verbal aptitude (even if it isn't backed up by, like, being funny or likable or anything) is what makes them seem like some kind of superman that others in the group can nucleate around. Small wonder he spent all that time in the gym.

ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

Data Graham posted:

Talking comes naturally to them, they can hold an audience; in another life they might have been That Theatre Major Guy.

harassing parking meter attendants, with magnetism

Grand Prize Winner
Feb 19, 2007


Captain_Maclaine posted:

Back in 1940, Dorothy Thompson wrote a piece for Harper's Magazine entitled "Who Goes Nazi?" It's delightfully well written and boils down to her core thesis that Nazism appeals to four broad sections of western society: those disaffected by the inability of liberal democracy to live up to its meritocratic promises, resentful losers with overblown opinions of their own abilities, craven amoral opportunists, and psychopaths.

It's a pretty good one, even if it spends a lot of time veering into kitschy Americana.

e: meant to post a link: https://harpers.org/archive/1941/08/who-goes-nazi/

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

https://twitter.com/LeftyPeasant/status/901118333118025729

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

business hammocks posted:

"Hmm, let's see--I want to copy the leftist magazine renowned for thoughtful content and beautify layouts

So why did they copy Jacobin then?

Grand Prize Winner posted:

It's a pretty good one, even if it spends a lot of time veering into kitschy Americana.

e: meant to post a link: https://harpers.org/archive/1941/08/who-goes-nazi/

It was written in 1941 so that stuff wasn't kitschy Americana yet.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

So why did they copy Jacobin then?

The fascist lacks a true creative drive, and can do little better than to ape the aesthetic conventions of things they find appealing even if they don't understand them.

Much like your posting.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

quote:

Mr. G is a very intellectual young man who was an infant prodigy. He has been concerned with general ideas since the age of ten and has one of those minds that can scintillatingly rationalize everything. I have known him for ten years and in that time have heard him enthusiastically explain Marx, social credit, technocracy, Keynesian economics, Chestertonian distributism, and everything else one can imagine. Mr. G will never be a Nazi, because he will never be anything. His brain operates quite apart from the rest of his apparatus. He will certainly be able, however, fully to explain and apologize for Nazism if it ever comes along. But Mr. G is always a “deviationist.” When he played with communism he was a Trotskyist; when he talked of Keynes it was to suggest improvement; Chesterton’s economic ideas were all right but he was too bound to Catholic philosophy. So we may be sure that Mr. G would be a Nazi with purse-lipped qualifications. He would certainly be purged.

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