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Mister Kingdom posted:That looks like they were finished building it and realized they'd forgotten the motor and just stuck it on the front. I always thought of it as "I have a shiny motor, LOOK AT IT!"
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boxen posted:I always thought of it as "I have a shiny motor, LOOK AT IT!" It's an aesthetic, and a practical choice - where better for an air-cooled engine?
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Aug 25, 2017 21:06
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Darchangel posted:where better for an air-cooled engine?
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InitialDave posted:*Ferdinand Porsche twitches* The fact that every air-cooled 911 ever yearns to kill it's owner and immolate itself by baking into a convenient tree or Jersey barrier just proves my point.
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Darchangel posted:I'm sure there's a tradeoff somewhere - weight versus rigidity, etc. Probably would need a two sided swing arm for that wide, or a really serious single-sided. I'd be a little nervous driving something so small, low, and quiet, but I love how it looks Darchangel posted:It's an aesthetic, and a practical choice - where better for an air-cooled engine? More engines should be visible from the exterior of the car. A lot of people worked hard on those beauties, might as well show them off!
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The Door Frame posted:I'd be a little nervous driving something so small, low, and quiet, but I love how it looks I'm envisioning a beefed up version of a bicycle flag waving from the rear of the trike. An possibly some heavy-duty playing card in the wheel spokes. quote:More engines should be visible from the exterior of the car. A lot of people worked hard on those beauties, might as well show them off!
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The Door Frame posted:More engines should be visible from the exterior of the car. A lot of people worked hard on those beauties, might as well show them off! Funny you mention that, I just saw a little parade of assorted shiny bedecaled Hondas and a Golf drive past and they all had very dressed up engine bays and no hoods. So I guess that's a thing that kids are doing these days.
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It's worth noting that the engine placement on Morgans is practical for a couple of reasons: first has already been mentioned, they're air-cooled and since the cylinder fins are their radiators, it maximizes airflow; second is that they're literally motorcycle engines, and the transverse layout makes it significantly easier to adapt the engine's output shaft to a car transmission. I mean, also, a V-Twin mounted inline to the frame would be hilariously awkward. 
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This is my kind of trike. Ninja 900R powered (~140hp) and weighs 730lb.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ll0KR3qAiQ
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Darchangel posted:edit: God drat - I want one now: How close to the top of the list is Hammond's name?
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Collateral Damage posted:Morgans are awesome and I will fight anyone who says otherwise. An exception that proves the rule through quirky british shed engineering. Why have one wheel when you can have two, other than to scam the DMV 
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Darchangel posted:edit: God drat - I want one now: Never really wanted a Morgan... but now I need one.
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Does anyone else remember the guys that put the drivetrain from an old Audi S4 in a tubular chassis? I think they were building some sort of hillclimb racer. There was a video of the car, just the frame, hauling rear end up a hill.
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Aug 26, 2017 10:06
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Cool engine swapped International Scout at the smog place  
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Aug 26, 2017 20:58
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TPI small blocks. All of the fuel economy of a V8, none of the power!
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afen posted:Does anyone else remember the guys that put the drivetrain from an old Audi S4 in a tubular chassis? I think they were building some sort of hillclimb racer. There was a video of the car, just the frame, hauling rear end up a hill. You'll find his friend over at the Grassroots Motorsports forum in the thread about his hillclimb super modified.
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MrYenko posted:TPI small blocks. All of the fuel economy of a V8, none of the power! Sounds like the motor it came with!
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I don't know whether to put this here, or in the Crappy Construction thread. http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a27924/the-worlds-fastest-street-legal-shed-can-do-96-mph/?src=nl&mag=pop&list=nl_pnl_news&date=082517 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAgdOa0D3Z8
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The Locator posted:Never really wanted a Morgan... but now I need one. I told the Northeast Morgan dealer to put my name on the mailing list for news about it when I first heard about it a year and a half ago, and I haven't heard a whisper.
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kimbo305 posted:I told the Northeast Morgan dealer to put my name on the mailing list for news about it when I first heard about it a year and a half ago, and I haven't heard a whisper.
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InitialDave posted:Oh, Morgan's waiting lists are legendary. My dad put a deposit on one back in the 90s, and it was about 3 or 4 years later his place in the queue came round - and that's not as long as it has been. Plus their attitude was somewhat "well, these are the models we're doing now, so even if you put your deposit on a different variant at the time, tough". The emerald ash borer really caused a disruption in their supply chain.
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Finger Prince posted:The emerald ash borer really caused a disruption in their supply chain. I just love that in an era of self-driving cars, Morgan still has poblems from the nineteenth century.
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This is old but it popped up in my newsfeed for some reason. This is the most gorgeous aircooled engine ive ever seen. http://i.imgur.com/rUHS2vA.jpg http://i.imgur.com/rLr1JQp.jpg http://blog.caranddriver.com/willia...content=8773491
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DogonCrook posted:This is the most gorgeous aircooled engine ive ever seen. Spoken like a person who has never seen a Pratt & Whitney R-4360 Wasp Major. 
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The Locator posted:Spoken like a person who has never seen a Pratt & Whitney R-4360 Wasp Major.  HNNNGGGGGGGGHHHHHH
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Wasn't that the engine infamous for ripping itself apart? e: quote:Although mechanically reliable in flight, it developed an unenviable reputation for in-flight fires, particularly in its Boeing Stratocruiser application, and in addition the Wasp Major was maintenance-intensive. Improper starting technique could foul all 56 spark plugs; requiring hours to clean or replace.
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DogonCrook posted:This is old but it popped up in my newsfeed for some reason. This is the most gorgeous aircooled engine ive ever seen. Of course it's for a Singer. 
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Collateral Damage posted:Wasn't that the engine infamous for ripping itself apart? The variants with power recovery turbines had poor reliability records, but overall it was a pretty good engine, particularly the non-turbocompound models. (PRTs are basically the turbine section of a turbocharger attached via a fluid coupling and shaft to the engine accessory gearbox, providing additional power.)
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What are the odds that a complete, running Wasp Major would be cheaper to buy than that Singer motor?
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boxen posted:What are the odds that a complete, running Wasp Major would be cheaper to buy than that Singer motor? That's a pretty tricky question. I imagine it's gonna be hard to find one that's not in service. If it is, then it's because it's broken or needs servicing or is being serviced. If you can find one at all though, it'll probably run you somewhere in the neighborhood of $5000-10,000 ( I saw one on ebay 8 years ago for $3000) so there's a good chance that it's less than a Singer motor. Edit: apparently this one sold for $2500 https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/22174/lot/223/?category=list GnarlyCharlie4u fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Aug 28, 2017 |
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GnarlyCharlie4u posted:That's a pretty tricky question. I imagine it's gonna be hard to find one that's not in service. If it is, then it's because it's broken or needs servicing or is being serviced. I have the idea that the Singer motor would cost somewhere north of a hundred grand, if they'd let you buy it without a car attached at all. Safely at least half that, I think, and 50 grand for 500 hp seems absurd to me, but I'm nowhere near the clientele of Singer. I wonder how streetable that engine is too... one one hand, I expect it to be only barely driveable due to being a 500hp aircooled engine, but on the other I wonder if Singer's clients would put up with something like that on a car they paid a million for and that's the reason a 500hp aircooled N/A motor costs so much.
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If I had more money than god I'd be in line to buy one of those with a car attached.
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Fifty fouled spark plugs ahahaha. I bet some pilots got tore a new rear end in a top hat doing that. I remember reading the manual for falcon 4.0 and the pilot writing it said if you hosed up firing an f16 they had to spend thirty minutes cranking some hydraulic starter and you pretty much had to cough up a case of beer at least when it happened.
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I'm guessing that it drives really nice given that it's a 4.0, has EFI, modern cam profiles, well done head ports, and a big rear end oil cooler. Plus turbo air-cooled 911s make that kind of power and seem to work ok?
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DogonCrook posted:This is old but it popped up in my newsfeed for some reason. This is the most gorgeous aircooled engine ive ever seen. That'll fit in a Baja Bug, right? MrYenko posted:
This... might accidentally ingest a Baja Bug.
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jamal posted:I'm guessing that it drives really nice given that it's a 4.0, has EFI, modern cam profiles, well done head ports, and a big rear end oil cooler. Plus turbo air-cooled 911s make that kind of power and seem to work ok? When it comes to fuel and the flame front and heat management, does EFI have to know anything about how the metal is being cooled on the outside?
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DogonCrook posted:Fifty fouled spark plugs ahahaha. I bet some pilots got tore a new rear end in a top hat doing that. I remember reading the manual for falcon 4.0 and the pilot writing it said if you hosed up firing an f16 they had to spend thirty minutes cranking some hydraulic starter and you pretty much had to cough up a case of beer at least when it happened. What's even more fun is the aftermath of starting a radial engine that's been allowed to sit for too long. Since radial engines always have at least one "bottom" cylinder, oil will gradually pool in those cylinders over time, and if enough is allowed to accumulate, the result is normally bent connecting rods from the pistons trying to compress the oil.
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kimbo305 posted:When it comes to fuel and the flame front and heat management, does EFI have to know anything about how the metal is being cooled on the outside? With appropriate sensors, sure. The nice thing about modern EFI is that it's a reasonably powerful computer with the ability to consider pretty much whatever variable you care to give it an input for, so long as you write a little bit of software to deal with the implications. If you wanted to factor moon phase into your fuel / ignition maps, you could.
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HandlingByJebus posted:With appropriate sensors, sure. The nice thing about modern EFI is that it's a reasonably powerful computer with the ability to consider pretty much whatever variable you care to give it an input for, so long as you write a little bit of software to deal with the implications. If you wanted to factor moon phase into your fuel / ignition maps, you could. "Does it have to" and "is it technically possible for it to" seem like very different questions, though
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Raluek posted:"Does it have to" and "is it technically possible for it to" seem like very different questions, though Sure, but I pretty much guarantee that any modern high-specific-output air-cooled engine's ECU measures and compensates for actual head temperature.
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