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financially racist posted:this is correct 
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Allen Wren posted:sure, "hilarious" my main issue was more with the story and characters, both of which were just the loving worst. ff8 turned me away from the entire jrpg genre for over a decade. thank god persona 4 reminded me that i actually like jrpgs, though otoh that meant i subjected myself to eternal sonata so maybe that wasn't for the best.
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Aug 27, 2017 01:54
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univbee posted:I saw a screening a few days before its official opening and yeah, objectively as a movie it was extremely bad in several respects. As advanced as the effects were it was still poo poo tier in terms of acting and story and the other things that actually matter if you want to get box office numbers. Well, I think history shows you don't have to have decent acting or story to do well in ticket sales. You do have to be understandable, though. If people leave the theater saying, "What the gently caress was that?" that's a bad sign. financially racist posted:my main issue was more with the story and characters, both of which were just the loving worst. I recently completed FF8 after bouncing off it several times and I found it to be completely terrible mechanically and storywise. It's so easy to break the combat system and so transparently obvious how to do it. I feel like their playtesting in that regard was just assuming that players wouldn't take the simple way to do. This philosophy also followed Square forward. FF10 has a lot of the same problems as FF8 though at least there the character development system is interesting; literally the only saving grace in that game. FF8 is essentially the moment they decided that their RPG's were not about exploring and developing your character but instead were about telling their stories. Their lovely, lovely stories. Random Stranger fucked around with this message at 02:00 on Aug 27, 2017 |
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Aug 27, 2017 01:54
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FF8 isn't perfect but calling it a lovely game just because you didn't understand the mechanics and wasted a summer playing it wrong is a bit much.
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Aug 27, 2017 01:55
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Random Stranger posted:Well, I think history shows you don't have to have decent acting or story to do well in ticket sales. You do have to be understandable, though. If people leave the theater saying, "What the gently caress was that?" that's a bad sign. excuse me sir but clearly the secret to making lots of money with your cg movie is to have your lead cg 'actress' appear in a swimsuit in a magazine
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Aug 27, 2017 01:55
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Meanwhile, in the category of things that I wish someone that isn't a relative never spent money on even if it was a joke was the night I got a double helping of Bad Rats and Five Nights at Freddy's. Bad Rats just straight up sucks and Five Nights stresses me the gently caress out.
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Aug 27, 2017 01:56
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mycophobia posted:I just saw the cgi and was like "god drat. gently caress" The movie looked amazing them it came out, but they really shouldn't have called it final fantasy. Up to that point, all the FF games had been very not sci-fi affairs. Maybe call it Xenogears or something, I dunno. Mak0rz posted:FF8 isn't perfect but calling it a lovely game just because you didn't understand the mechanics and wasted a summer playing it wrong is a bit much. It's easily the worst FF game, not counting MMO ones. And yes, it's worse than Mystic Quest.
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Aug 27, 2017 01:57
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Sir Tonk posted:The movie looked amazing them it came out, but they really shouldn't have called it final fantasy. Up to that point, all the FF games had been very not sci-fi affairs. Just ignore that Final Fantasy VI was a steampunk setting and Final Fantasy VII was a cyberpunk setting and that Final Fantasy VIII had a god drat robot spider in the first mission that was shot up with a minigun in the end.
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Aug 27, 2017 02:00
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Sir Tonk posted:The movie looked amazing them it came out, but they really shouldn't have called it final fantasy. Up to that point, all the FF games had been very not sci-fi affairs. i mean ff1 had a goddamn space station, so
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Aug 27, 2017 02:03
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^^^ FF1 also had WarMechStar Man posted:Just ignore that Final Fantasy VI was a steampunk setting and Final Fantasy VII was a cyberpunk setting and that Final Fantasy VIII had a god drat robot spider in the first mission that was shot up with a minigun in the end. also you get a sci-fi spaceship in FFIV and you fight inside a giant robot at one point
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Aug 27, 2017 02:04
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It's funny that we're talking about Spirits Within as an incoherent film when I finally watched Eraserhead for the first time yesterday (yes, I know I should have seen it Sir Tonk posted:It's easily the worst FF game, not counting MMO ones. I hate Mystic Quest and I'd rather play it again than FF8. At the very least I'd be finished with it sooner.
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Aug 27, 2017 02:05
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Random Stranger posted:It's funny that we're talking about Spirits Within as an incoherent film when I finally watched Eraserhead for the first time yesterday (yes, I know I should have seen it I realize that the Final Fantasy movie was pretty poo poo and all, but comparing that to David Lynch is like comparing an apple to Jupiter.
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Aug 27, 2017 02:08
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On second thought, I really do ask myself why I pay for Virtual Console copies of Zelda II when I loathe that game. God bless those of you that enjoy it, but it feels like I have to learn how to play it again every time I try.
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Aug 27, 2017 02:13
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Mak0rz posted:FF8 isn't perfect but calling it a lovely game just because you didn't understand the mechanics and wasted a summer playing it wrong is a bit much. Yeah, it's lovely because it's really poorly written and has terrible mechanics
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Aug 27, 2017 02:16
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Eh, Ehrgeiz is a better fighting game than Mystic Quest is an RPG. Mystic Quest is the nadir of Final Fantasy. Cyber Org is an obscure Squaresoft dud from the PlayStation. Mediocre 3-D action game with an aesthetic that's half anime, half American comic book. Even so, PlayStation-era Square is one of my favorite developers. They tried something new every other month. Edit: Final Fantasy VIII is an excellent comedy and the Draw system is neat.
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Aug 27, 2017 02:18
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Kid Fenris posted:Mystic Quest is the nadir of Final Fantasy. You can swing a dead carbuncle and hit an entire room full of worse FF games than MQ.
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Aug 27, 2017 02:22
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Star Man posted:I'm trying to think of any really bad games that I owned that I or my parents spent money on. We were pretty broke in the early 90s, so my NES collection (yes, NES) consisted of, like, a bunch of average (but older) games and some really poo poo ones. And Crystalis. If memory serves, this is what was in that old Converse shoebox: SMB/DH Crystalis Ice Hockey Hogan's Alley Destination Earthstar Skate or Die Back to the Future Metal Gear (found at a yard sale for $5 in like 1994, cart only, still had to beg for it) Solomon's Key (basically same) Conquest of the Crystal Palace (borrowed from another kid around the same time period, both our families moved out of town before the cart could be returned IIRC) I think that's it really
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Aug 27, 2017 02:22
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Star Man posted:Just ignore that Final Fantasy VI was a steampunk setting and Final Fantasy VII was a cyberpunk setting and that Final Fantasy VIII had a god drat robot spider in the first mission that was shot up with a minigun in the end. financially racist posted:i mean ff1 had a goddamn space station, so And you spent most of those games wandering around with a sword. None of the FF games had been straight 90's style sci-fi and it was weird.
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Aug 27, 2017 02:29
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financially racist posted:excuse me sir but clearly the secret to making lots of money with your cg movie is to have your lead cg 'actress' appear in a swimsuit in a magazine But Aki was supposed to be the start of a Digital Actress -- they had plans to reuse her in other Square Film works after Spirits Within. And to be honest the tech was pretty good for the time. It wasn't until Gollum that we got a nice CGI 'actor' character. Random Stranger posted:It wasn't a good movie then. I saw the opening matinée and left disturbed at what an incoherent mess it was. You'd also think that x-many years after the initial Phantom encounters, you'd have a military that realizes that shooting force ghosts doesn't do much unless you're using Cid's Holistic Gaiatech. Of course, the most egregious error was going Full Sci-Fi when most of the games' fans had played High Fantasy/ Retrosteam Fantasy games. Hell, they could have made the Gaia-extraction subplot result in dumb "crystals" as a nod to the original set of games. al-azad posted:I remember Spirits Within being boring as poo poo with little action and a lot of bad dialog. Something about unkillable aliens that steal your soul by touching you and there's no real way to fight them, not an interesting concept for me. I remember Titan AE more vividly than Spirits Within. Oddly, I remember watching it shortly before 9/11, but it looks like it was released sometime in July. There's a timeline somewhere that has Spirits Within the worst tragedy of 2001. FilthyImp fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Aug 27, 2017 |
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Aug 27, 2017 02:30
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Sir Tonk posted:And you spent most of those games wandering around with a sword. Swords have a rich history in sci-fi my dude
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Aug 27, 2017 02:33
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Star Man posted:I realize that the Final Fantasy movie was pretty poo poo and all, but comparing that to David Lynch is like comparing an apple to Jupiter. My point being that incoherent can work if you're a master director creating a series of striking vignettes and images instead of someone who doesn't understand filmmaking creating generic scifi action set pieces.
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Aug 27, 2017 02:41
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I got an NES Max today on a whim. I took it apart, retrobrited it, cleaned it all up and then played Ice Hockey with it. What a great controller. I'd always been curious about it since my childhood but never tried one until today. I don't imagine I'll use it for lots of games but it might be good for guardian legend, some other shooters, and some sports games.
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Aug 27, 2017 02:47
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univbee posted:Off the top of my head Nintendo had some really poorly-received games recently, like Animal Crossing: Amiibo Festival, Not ashamed to say that this is the disc in my Wii U at the moment. It's fun. It's just a different kind of fun.
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Aug 27, 2017 02:52
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Mak0rz posted:FF8 isn't perfect but calling it a lovely game just because you didn't understand the mechanics and wasted a summer playing it wrong is a bit much. I'd almost argue that FF8 is a shittier game when you do understand the mechanics. Using the junction system to its fullest potential removed all challenge from the game, and it's definitely not a game you continue playing for the story (at least after a certain point in Disc 2). I liked Ehrgeiz, but I've never been really proficient in fighting games—3D fighters in particular—so I was probably blind to a lot of its flaws. I remember liking it more than Tekken 3, less than Soul Blade, and finding the dungeon mode a lot of fun.
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Aug 27, 2017 02:56
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RZA Encryption posted:Not ashamed to say that this is the disc in my Wii U at the moment. It's fun. It's just a different kind of fun. I was super excited to play it, bought it day one for the cute amiibos. One turn in my sister, who loves Animal Crossing, Mario Party, and Japanese video game boardgames she turned to me and said "this loving sucks."
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Aug 27, 2017 02:57
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The worst game Square has published is The Third Birthday and nothing else is even remotely close imo.
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Aug 27, 2017 03:22
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Harlock posted:Who is more thirsty for their protagonist, the third birthday guy and Aya or Final Fantasy Lightning guy. At this point I'd like to also kick you while you're down and remind you that Maeda was more than likely waifu-director's stand-in. With all the relevant horrifically-creepy connotations of that.
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Aug 27, 2017 03:26
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Our X-bone controller that was purchased for PC gaming is dying. Finally. It' started out just fine but is a launch-age one so it's flimsy and unresponsive and the sticks drift and is generally a piece of poo poo that gets worse each day. Though I'm not sure if new ones are any better. I want a replacement. I'm coming to this thread because the new controller will get a lot of use as something to play emulated console games and whatnot with. It will also get some use as a PC game controller, probably mostly for Fallout/Skyrim. Any recommendations? I really want a DS4 because I know they're high quality but drat they have a fat price tag and I don't want to deal with an Xinput wrapper. The 8bitdo ones look sick as hell and the idea of having an adapter for my SNES when I eventually drag it up this way is really nice. Should I wait until the SNES model with the dual sticks are available, though? I like playing platformers so floaty "joyhat" nonsense like what's on the 360 pad simply would not do. Mak0rz fucked around with this message at 04:55 on Aug 27, 2017 |
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Aug 27, 2017 04:52
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Random Stranger posted:I know you're joking, but Square's output for the Famicom Disk System is essentially a list of terrible games. I wasn't joking. I like every game they did for the PS1. Ofecks posted:What do you consider the terrible SNES game? Sir Tonk posted:mystic quest this.
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Aug 27, 2017 04:57
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btw Ehrgeiz has a fun as hell roguelike mode.
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Aug 27, 2017 05:00
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please be nice to mystic quest it does the best it can 
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Aug 27, 2017 05:16
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yeah, I should really give Mystic Quest the credit it deserves. Its good at telling me my snes's cpu&ppu info.
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Aug 27, 2017 06:01
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Star Man posted:On second thought, I really do ask myself why I pay for Virtual Console copies of Zelda II when I loathe that game. Learning to play it isn't that hard; the game only has one relevant button. The one that turns it off. There's just nothing redeeming about it. The US music is terrible due to the warbling they added, the experience and level system feels horribly tacked on and doesn't really feel like you get much for how long it takes to earn increases, the dungeons are repetitive...
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Aug 27, 2017 06:33
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Zelda II is a fucker but I love lots of things about it. The dungeons aren't actually that bad until the final one, which is a bastard. If enemies dropped hearts or magic drops were a bit more frequent that'd go a long way to balancing it better.
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Aug 27, 2017 07:08
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Mak0rz posted:Our X-bone controller that was purchased for PC gaming is dying. Finally. It' started out just fine but is a launch-age one so it's flimsy and unresponsive and the sticks drift and is generally a piece of poo poo that gets worse each day. Though I'm not sure if new ones are any better. Just buy another Xbone pad, try to get the most recent revision that comes in a white box since it did fix some of these issues and it has bluetooth support on Windows 10 if you don't already have the older wireless adapter. I honestly think the DS4 is a less quality and considerably less nice and comfortable controller than the Xbone pad, and for your uses has a worse dpad. The 8bitdo FC30Pro is a good controller, but the joysticks aren't really suitable for playing anything for a long period, and I don't think the larger sticks on the SNES version are going to help a ton.
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Aug 27, 2017 10:21
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Discount Viscount posted:Zelda II is a fucker but I love lots of things about it. The dungeons aren't actually that bad until the final one, which is a bastard. The scale of the sprite is a huge problem with Zelda 2 as it makes combat incredibly annoying. The game has other problems: the dungeons are boring, the leveling system is half-baked (especially in the disk system version), the magic system is poorly considered. It's the terrible combat that's the real nail in Zelda 2 for me. The flaws in that game are really common with terrible action-adventure games on the Famicom at the time, too... I've said it before and I'll say it again: Castlevania 2 is Zelda 2 done right.
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Aug 27, 2017 15:36
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The combat in Zelda II is great. It's the only Zelda where jumping and stabbing enemies directly in the face is a viable and effective strategy.Random Stranger posted:I've said it before and I'll say it again: Castlevania 2 is Zelda 2 done right. You should stop saying it  Elliotw2 posted:Just buy another Xbone pad, try to get the most recent revision that comes in a white box since it did fix some of these issues and it has bluetooth support on Windows 10 if you don't already have the older wireless adapter. Really? I was under the impression that the Xbone pads are awful poo poo, so I'm assuming they fixed up the later revisions? The one we have now is nearly unusable at this point. A Bluetooth version would be nice. Mak0rz fucked around with this message at 15:42 on Aug 27, 2017 |
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Aug 27, 2017 15:38
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Zelda 2 is awesome. Castlevania 2 sucks donkey balls.
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Aug 27, 2017 16:18
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Zelda 2 shouldn't have had lives. Just let me restart at the temple entrance you assholes. Now the real "better Zelda 2" is Battle of Olympus. It basically starts out Zelda 2 without an overworld in the first half then turns into Castlevania 2 in the end with level design that could pass easily. e: Ah man, I forgot you basically fight Shadow Link at the end of it. al-azad fucked around with this message at 16:38 on Aug 27, 2017 |
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Mak0rz posted:
The Xbox One pad is probably the best feeling controller right now, and for 2d games it has the massive advantage of a switched dpad, which only the Switch joycons can compete with.
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