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Secx posted:I'm not sure why Jon would have a better claim to the iron throne than Daenerys. Danny's father was king, so wouldn't that make her next in line? Sure, Jon is a legit male heir, but his father was brother to the king. In the end its all cocks
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Captain Splendid posted:I wouldn't think so. Ned's parents were cousins too. Jon and Dany's baby has no chance. Charles II incoming
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The baby's gonna pop out with a hell of a set of eyebrows and a huge gaping mouth.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Jon and Dany's baby has no chance.  Roose did say that Lyanna was "half a horse".
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Secx posted:I'm not sure why Jon would have a better claim to the iron throne than Daenerys. Danny's father was king, so wouldn't that make her next in line? Sure, Jon is a legit male heir, but his father was brother to the king. No, Rhaegar was Aerys' son, and ahead of Viserys in the line of succession. The throne would have passed from Aerys to Rhaegar to Jon. I'm unsure of the monarchy's tradition in the seven kingdoms, but I believe that succession happens even when Aerys is predeceased by Rhaegar (which he was), rather than reverting to Viserys and then Dany. To be clear, this makes Dany Jon's aunt, not first cousin. PoizenJam fucked around with this message at 14:31 on Aug 29, 2017 |
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Vinylshadow posted:https://youtube.com/watch?v=XeYNHwRswYU don't troll.
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Eastdrom posted:I just realized the last scene of ep 8 is almost the same as the wotlk cinematic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCr7y4SLhck Game of thrones is basically just a lovely version of WoW
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lezard_valeth posted:As others have said, Joramun's Horn is supposed to bring down the Wall by "awaking giants from the earth" I really, really want Victorian to get while roasted gazing expectantly at the approaching dragons attracted by his horn... and then on the other side of the world, the Wall crumbles. Anyway, I thought the finale was fine. My expectations for this show are pretty low these days. If those sketchy sounding rumors are real than it will be Dexter levels of making GBS threads the bed.
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Aug 29, 2017 15:11
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Well R.I.P. that goofy loving WW1 trench on top of the wall. You are gone but your nonsensical and rather pointless anachronism lives on forever in our hearts.
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I thought the trench made more sense than the slip and you're dead-way they built the wall at Castle Black.
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Asehujiko posted:Well R.I.P. that goofy loving WW1 trench on top of the wall. You are gone but your nonsensical and rather pointless anachronism lives on forever in our hearts. I'm pretty sure the trench is going to be how they justify Tormund and Beric surviving, like "oh they just fled atop the wall to the next fort or Castle Black". I can't imagine them killing either of them off-screen, although one or both are probably gonna buy it in the first episode next season.
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Rap Record Hoarder posted:I'm pretty sure the trench is going to be how they justify Tormund and Beric surviving, like "oh they just fled atop the wall to the next fort or Castle Black". I can't imagine them killing either of them off-screen, although one or both are probably gonna buy it in the first episode next season. Either they flee back to tell the other characters how easily the wall fell, or they show up as ice zombies for shock factor.
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Skippy McPants posted:World history shows us that the incest taboos don't really hold up for the ruling class beyond immediate family. When long distance travel is hard, and the upper crust make up such a small percentage of the population, it's not long before first and second cousins are the only prospects left. Interestingly enough there are no apparent grades of nobility in Westeros, there's no dukes or counts or earls or margraves or barons or anything like that. I've never known what to make of that, the only formal means of determining precedence among the aristocracy are the traditional lordship of each of the seven kingdoms, and the wardenries which are a crown office. It's a bit odd really. While the Targs preferred incestuous marriages when possible, they don't seem to have had any real objection to marrying other nobility as long as they were from pretty old families. King Robert's grandmother being a Targaryen princess for example.
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why would rhaegar name another son aegon.
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Groovelord Neato posted:why would rhaegar name another son aegon. The first one sucked
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Can't put all your aegons in one basket. Yes I shamelessly stole this what of it.
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Skippy McPants posted:World history shows us that the incest taboos don't really hold up for the ruling class beyond immediate family. When long distance travel is hard, and the upper crust make up such a small percentage of the population, it's not long before first and second cousins are the only prospects left. It had more to do with keeping the kingdom/your valuables inside the family instead of splitting it off. Traveling was pretty widespread throughout history, and especially for nobility in the European Middle Ages. Finding a spouse outside family wouldn't have been an issue. Also, while the Ptolemaians and Emperor Claudius hardly set off a trend and were regarded as weirdos by basically everyone for their marriage ideas, a very, very large percentage of marriages throughout histories throughout all classes and races were cousin marriages.
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Why did Rhaegar need to get a divorce? Targs can plural marriage, right? Jon could still be the legitimate King after his slightly older brother died
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skasion posted:Interestingly enough there are no apparent grades of nobility in Westeros, there's no dukes or counts or earls or margraves or barons or anything like that. I've never known what to make of that, the only formal means of determining precedence among the aristocracy are the traditional lordship of each of the seven kingdoms, and the wardenries which are a crown office. It's a bit odd really. While the Targs preferred incestuous marriages when possible, they don't seem to have had any real objection to marrying other nobility as long as they were from pretty old families. King Robert's grandmother being a Targaryen princess for example. I think those grades are present, just unnamed. Nobody in-universe would suggest that House Vypren (sworn to House Frey, who are sworn to House Tully, who are sworn to the royal House Baratheon) is on the same level as House Arryn (sworn directly to the royal House) Seems like the order of precedence could just be the # of levels of fealty you owe. With the Crownlands houses admittedly being a bit of a wrinkle (nobody would suggest the Rykkers are of the same status as the Arryns, even though they are both sworn directly to the crown) Targ marriages to the houses which hold Paramountcy are rare, but most of their outside-the-family marriages are to rich merchants of old Valyrian noble ancestry or to very high 2nd-tier houses (Royces, Daynes, Dondarrions, Blackwoods, all powerful, all former royalty from pre-Targ eras). The Targs who married below that station generally had some extenuating circumstances, like Elaena's various terrible marriages that Aegon the Unworthy arranged out of spite. So it does seem that there's some unspoken precedence that they adhere to fairly strictly.
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Decius posted:It had more to do with keeping the kingdom/your valuables inside the family instead of splitting it off. There were also societies that viewed rulers as literal gods, and gods can only marry gods (thus siblings or close relations). Egyptian, Incan and Hawa'iian societies are all prime examples. I suppose in Game of Thrones the ability to control dragons could be viewed in a very similar light. Professor Shark posted:Why did Rhaegar need to get a divorce? Targs can plural marriage, right? Jon could still be the legitimate King after his slightly older brother died It would make ascendancy an issue and possibly lead to a civil war.
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PupsOfWar posted:Targ marriages to the houses which hold Paramountcy are rare, but most of their outside-the-family marriages are to rich merchants of old Valyrian noble ancestry or to very high 2nd-tier houses (Royces, Daynes, Dondarrions, Blackwoods, all powerful, all former royalty from pre-Targ eras). The Targs who married below that station generally had some extenuating circumstances, like Elaena's various terrible marriages that Aegon the Unworthy arranged out of spite. So it does seem that there's some unspoken precedence that they adhere to fairly strictly. Didn't Rhaegar marry Elia to maintain a nominal level of control over Dorne?
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[quote="“Groovelord Neato”" post="“475866582”"] why would rhaegar name another son aegon. [/quote] Ask George Forman
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Can't put all your aegons in one basket. You'll be hearing from my lawyer. grack posted:It would make ascendancy an issue and possibly lead to a civil war. What do you think the Martells would do if they found out? Oberyn would personally stab Rhaegar in the dick with a poisoned spear. E: Also, judging by what Rhaegar said to Jaime before riding out to the Trident, he was probably planning on making some broad political changes had he won the battle. Not sure if the legitimacy question would be brought up though, or how much pushback he'd get if it did. The Unnamed One fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Aug 29, 2017 |
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Professor Shark posted:Why did Rhaegar need to get a divorce? Targs can plural marriage, right? Jon could still be the legitimate King after his slightly older brother died It wasn't a divorce, it was an annulment, meaning that technically he was never married to Elia and, I guess, that all his children by her are bastards and Jon becomes his only heir.
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Rhaegar named two of his kids Aegon because he thought one of them will be the last hero. Thousands of years ago another war against the Others took place during the Long Night. According to stories, it ended in the defeat of the Others at the Battle for the Dawn or the last hero or through the actions of Azor Ahai. Ellia Martell and child (Aegon) had already been murdered when Jon Aegon Snow Stark Targaryen was born anyways so its not like there really was 2 Aegons. He knew a son of named Aegon was destined to sit on the Iron Throne. And since names carry value, perhaps he knew that by naming his new son Aegon it would help him some day become King. The first Aegon was Aegon the Conquerer, who (along with his three dragons) originally united all of the Seven Kingdoms and most recent Aegon to sit on the Iron Throne was Aegon V. He was called "Egg" by Maester Aemon.
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Constant posted:Rhaegar named two of his kids Aegon because he thought one of them will be the last hero. Thousands of years ago another war against the Others took place during the Long Night. Actually we don't know who named Jon "Aegon" - it could just as well have been Lyanna who wanted to gently caress over Ellia one more time. Additionally your timeline is wrong, since Rhaegar dies first and King's Landing is well after that.
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GaussianCopula posted:Actually we don't know who named Jon "Aegon" - it could just as well have been Lyanna who wanted to gently caress over Ellia one more time. Additionally your timeline is wrong, since Rhaegar dies first and King's Landing is well after that. Why would Lyanna have any animosity towards Ellia Martell? She probably felt bad for her and sheepishly guilty. Pregnancy takes 9 months and im sure Rhaegar made his wishes known plenty of times in regards to names. All of this is  anyways. people keep asking why he named 2 kids Aegon so i explained why.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Can't put all your aegons in one basket. I like the King of the Hill - version "Aegon and Good Aegon" better Although I also liked when the Real Negus thought his name is "Igor or something" Igor Targaryen, leader of the cossacks
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I don't mind the 2 Aegons, but the annulment is silly. Rhaegar should have pulled an Aegon and taken a 2nd wife
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Maybe it turns out that Elia was just as lovely as all the sand snakes
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https://youtu.be/kVFjaOyAWd4 I don't care if someone already posted this, my original jokes must be heard.
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Lloyd Boner posted:Maybe it turns out that Elia was just as lovely as all the sand snakes Elia: You want that bad pussy, husband. Rhaegar: I want a loving divorce.
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Doesn't Oberyn have some lines in the book that imply Elia knew about Lyanna, and was cool with it? She couldn't give Rhaegar any more children and likely knew he wanted a third.
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esperterra posted:Doesn't Oberyn have some lines in the book that imply Elia knew about Lyanna, and was cool with it? She couldn't give Rhaegar any more children and likely knew he wanted a third. I don't remember who said it, but Rhaegar is obsessed with prophecy and needed to have a third child and couldn't with Elia. Also he is described as a harp playing Chad with a heart of gold that hypnotized women.
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Groovelord Neato posted:don't troll. Awesome Good to know I shall change my mindset at once and start endlessly griping about it
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it hasn't been good for three season so yeah.
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So the dead formed the Stark Sigil walking passed the wall giving more people who think Bran is the Night King evidence to believe in. Great.
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Groovelord Neato posted:it hasn't been good for three season so yeah. What an....interesting view of writing you have
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I think Jon is named Aegon in the show because GRRM told D&D that that's his name. It makes more sense for GRRM to do because he doesn't simplify names in the books and has all these confusing characters - the Kettleblacks all have similar names, the Freys, Big Walder and Little Walder but little Walder is big and Big Walder is little. It's one of those weird details that is sort of historically based and happens in real life but you don't see often in ficton that he does from time to time. Oh and earlier this season the sheeple maesters scoffed at a prophecy claiming the Drowned Men would be the end of Aegon the Conqueror so Jon is going to be killed by Euron.
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