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Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

zoux posted:

https://gfycat.com/EqualEssentialAxisdeer

Are folding card tables a battalion or division level asset

The little field desk they issued when I was in was a battalion asset. Was a little chest of drawers with a folding table made out of the case for it. I assume it was packable but humping that thing around would have sucked. Also, looked like the design probably hadn't changed since the ACW.

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Polikarpov
Jun 1, 2013

Keep it between the buoys

Murgos posted:

The little field desk they issued when I was in was a battalion asset. Was a little chest of drawers with a folding table made out of the case for it. I assume it was packable but humping that thing around would have sucked. Also, looked like the design probably hadn't changed since the ACW.

That's because every time they tried to replace it the prototype ended up costing $50,000 and somehow acquired VTOL capability.

Kemper Boyd
Aug 6, 2007

no kings, no gods, no masters but a comfy chair and no socks

Polikarpov posted:

That's because every time they tried to replace it the prototype ended up costing $50,000 and somehow acquired VTOL capability.

drat.

Don Gato
Apr 28, 2013

Actually a bipedal cat.
Grimey Drawer

Polikarpov posted:

That's because every time they tried to replace it the prototype ended up costing $50,000 and somehow acquired VTOL capability.

How else is it going to take off from Henderson field and act as a flying life raft :rolleyes:


Edit:

FAUXTON posted:

Weird since marines aren't the type to use writing desks
Writing desks don't have VTOL, why would they want one? It's a very chicken and egg situation.

Don Gato fucked around with this message at 09:21 on Aug 30, 2017

Tias
May 25, 2008

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Off-topic, but I', hoping one of you can help me:

So I'm writing an RPG campaign in the mythic scandinavian iron age. The primary theme will be deconstructing my players dumb notions about the IA such as history channel shows and the like.

While there will be dragons, your loving sword+2 will be made of hammered iron is what I'm saying. Now, an essential part of this is brushing off my knowledge on what daily life and technology was like in the iron age, do any of you guys have some good reads or websites I could check out to get a feel of things?

Tias fucked around with this message at 08:08 on Aug 30, 2017

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

Polikarpov posted:

That's because every time they tried to replace it the prototype ended up costing $50,000 and somehow acquired VTOL capability.

Weird since marines aren't the type to use writing desks

Siivola
Dec 23, 2012

Tias posted:

Off-topic, but I', hoping one of you can help me:

So I'm writing an RPG campaign in the mythic scandinavian iron age. The primary theme will be deconstructing my players dumb notions about the IA such as history channel shows and the like.

While there will be dragons, your loving sword+2 will be made of hammered iron is what I'm saying. Now, an essential part of this is brushing off my knowledge on what daily life and technology was like in the iron age, do any of you guys have some good reads or websites I could check out to get a feel of things?
You should maybe find Rulebook Heavily in Tradgames and send him a PM, he's from Iceland and knows both from sagas and RPGs.

Ask him about the game Sagas of the Icelanders. :v:

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

FOPTIMUS PRIME

Polikarpov posted:

That's because every time they tried to replace it the prototype ended up costing $50,000 and somehow acquired VTOL capability.
i want to kiss this post

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

e: poo poo ignore this (accidental tank destroyer post).

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

This site is reporting that production on the third HBO WWII series The Mighty Eighth about the air campaign over Europe is finally beginning production, and that HBO is going to spend $500m on it. Folks, I'm unbelievably hype.

Tekopo
Oct 24, 2008

When you see it, you'll shit yourself.


zoux posted:

This site is reporting that production on the third HBO WWII series The Mighty Eighth about the air campaign over Europe is finally beginning production, and that HBO is going to spend $500m on it. Folks, I'm unbelievably hype.
I'm the scene where one of the gunners, after one of his friends dies, grabs his machine gun, starts shouting and then fires wildly at german fighters, finally bringing one down

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

This scene from Memphis Belle hosed me up as a kid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djIvmaYI9LQ&t=82s

Tias
May 25, 2008

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I want to be hype, but 500 million USD could just be spent better.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Tias posted:

I want to be hype, but 500 million USD could just be spent better.

Could it though?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPNBg8k3a60

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

zoux posted:

This scene from Memphis Belle hosed me up as a kid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djIvmaYI9LQ&t=82s

God yes. I also remember getting a huge laugh at the "there's a hole in the wing fuel tank as big as my dick!" "well we shouldn't be in much trouble then" exchange.

Personally the scene I 100% expect to see - since it's pretty much standard fare for any "look at how hosed up the bombing campaign could get" literature - is the one where they airplane is all hosed up, needs to belly land, and they can't get the ball turret gunner out so they need to basically say good bye and try to talk him through becoming a grease stain on the runway.



Tias posted:

I want to be hype, but 500 million USD could just be spent better.

On what? I mean, assuming you're actually a movie production company making entertainment and not just donating it to feed kids in Somalia or something.

edit: the budget really makes me take notice, because a show about aviation is one of the few places where more, better special effects can really, REALLY make a huge difference in the quality of the final product. You can go low budget with dudes in foxholes and still have a good character story, or go medium budget and have some impressive explosions and whatnot, but dudes flying and dying in airplanes will just look cheesy if you don't step up and lay down some cash to make it look right.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Cyrano4747 posted:

God yes. I also remember getting a huge laugh at the "there's a hole in the wing fuel tank as big as my dick!" "well we shouldn't be in much trouble then" exchange.

Personally the scene I 100% expect to see - since it's pretty much standard fare for any "look at how hosed up the bombing campaign could get" literature - is the one where they airplane is all hosed up, needs to belly land, and they can't get the ball turret gunner out so they need to basically say good bye and try to talk him through becoming a grease stain on the runway.


There's an Amazing Stories like that (that also hosed me up since I still remember it all these years later.) It's resolved by magical cartoon wheels. That's also a Steven Speilberg joint.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry
HBO WWII Europe Air Series should/will include

-Idiot gunner that accidentally shoots friendly bomber because didn't check LoS
-Idiot gunner that accidentally shoots friendly fighter because he forgot recognition markings
-Gunner whos weapon jams and has an incredibly hard time getting it in working condition again
-Someone slips on all the loving spent shell casings
-Lighten the plane!!! *cue dumping guns, gear, bullets overboard*
-German chooses not to shoot down frail and injured enemy
-At least one ram kill
-At least one pilot snipe kill
-At least three flak kills, one tears a wing, one blows airframe in two, one takes out cockpit/engine
-MESSERSCHMITTS AT TWELVE OCLOCK HIGH
-Series shows off enemy jet fighters, mentions low production numbers
-Side story about a German pilot just trying to defend his country from merciless bombing raids

Ice Fist
Jun 20, 2012

^^ Please send feedback to beefstache911@hotmail.com, this is not a joke that 'stache is the real deal. Serious assessments only. ^^

Jobbo_Fett posted:

HBO WWII Europe Air Series should/will include

-Idiot gunner that accidentally shoots friendly bomber because didn't check LoS
-Idiot gunner that accidentally shoots friendly fighter because he forgot recognition markings
-Gunner whos weapon jams and has an incredibly hard time getting it in working condition again
-Someone slips on all the loving spent shell casings
-Lighten the plane!!! *cue dumping guns, gear, bullets overboard*
-German chooses not to shoot down frail and injured enemy
-At least one ram kill
-At least one pilot snipe kill
-At least three flak kills, one tears a wing, one blows airframe in two, one takes out cockpit/engine
-MESSERSCHMITTS AT TWELVE OCLOCK HIGH
-Series shows off enemy jet fighters, mentions low production numbers
-Side story about a German pilot just trying to defend his country from merciless bombing raids

Please add:
- Shooting guys in parachutes

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Ice Fist posted:

Please add:
- Shooting guys in parachutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8LVlYJ5eJU

I bet they also do the German fighter pilot who escorted the battered B-17 back to England.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

Ice Fist posted:

Please add:
- Shooting guys in parachutes

Feed this dude in as the pre-episode vet interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8LVlYJ5eJU


edit: ^ :argh:

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye


Me 264s over New York City in an imaginary 1945

AMERICA BOMBERS 1943: Eris is Goddess

The really, really, condensed version of big bomber development in 1943 in the Third Reich is this:



as the Nazis go around and around without getting anywhere

The slightly longer version is this is possibly the most chaotic thing I've ever written, so if y'all have writing notes for me please give them. Like that gif above, here's another image that is worth 1000 words:

[link]



Maslovo
Oct 12, 2016

Tias posted:

Off-topic, but I', hoping one of you can help me:

So I'm writing an RPG campaign in the mythic scandinavian iron age. The primary theme will be deconstructing my players dumb notions about the IA such as history channel shows and the like.

While there will be dragons, your loving sword+2 will be made of hammered iron is what I'm saying. Now, an essential part of this is brushing off my knowledge on what daily life and technology was like in the iron age, do any of you guys have some good reads or websites I could check out to get a feel of things?

It might not be the most academic source but maybe check out UnReal World? It's a roguelike survival game set in low-fantasy iron age Finland.

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

Tias posted:

Off-topic, but I', hoping one of you can help me:

So I'm writing an RPG campaign in the mythic scandinavian iron age. The primary theme will be deconstructing my players dumb notions about the IA such as history channel shows and the like.

While there will be dragons, your loving sword+2 will be made of hammered iron is what I'm saying. Now, an essential part of this is brushing off my knowledge on what daily life and technology was like in the iron age, do any of you guys have some good reads or websites I could check out to get a feel of things?

Jared Diamond's book Collapse has a couple chapters on Scandinavians, mostly Iceland, a lot of Greenland history and some bits about of those tiny islands in the North Sea they "settled". Be prepared for lots of stories about Scandinavians doing dumb poo poo like Greenlanders being overrun by Inuit thanks to being too stupid to live, Norwegian kings being assaulted and angering the entirety of North America because apparently the Scandinavian first-contact-protocol back then was "let's try stabbing them to see if they bleed". :shepface:

Exception: Iceland. Because those weirdos actually survived and thrived!

(The other civilizations he looks at are worth it, too: Like the Easter Islanders destroying their island by building more and more dumbass statues, or how the last Mayan uprising very nearly won against the Europeans, but then everyone had to go home to harvest food. Probably not what you want, though. I'm just pointing out the other neat things in the book.)

golden bubble
Jun 3, 2011

yospos

Libluini posted:

(The other civilizations he looks at are worth it, too: Like the Easter Islanders destroying their island by building more and more dumbass statues, or how the last Mayan uprising very nearly won against the Europeans, but then everyone had to go home to harvest food. Probably not what you want, though. I'm just pointing out the other neat things in the book.)

To be fair, Austria Hungary was missing seven out of 16 standing army corps for most of the July Crisis before WWI, because those corps had harvest leave.

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

FOPTIMUS PRIME

golden bubble posted:

To be fair, Austria Hungary was missing seven out of 16 standing army corps for most of the July Crisis before WWI, because those corps had harvest leave.
i mean, before farming got mechanized, you're gonna need a lot of people to grow and harvest that poo poo

dublish
Oct 31, 2011


golden bubble posted:

To be fair, Austria Hungary was missing seven out of 16 standing army corps for most of the July Crisis before WWI, because those corps had harvest leave.

That's... that's not how a standing army works...

golden bubble
Jun 3, 2011

yospos

dublish posted:

That's... that's not how a standing army works...

It is in the Austro-Hungarian Empire :sweatdrop:

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Sorry mates, gotta get back to me ol gaffers farum and oil up the comboine 'arvester, Fritz'll have ta wait til next season.

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

FOPTIMUS PRIME

dublish posted:

That's... that's not how a standing army works...
it really is, the 18th century prussian army was full of dudes with part time jobs in the cities where they were garrisoned

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

dublish posted:

That's... that's not how a standing army works...

Leaning on a nearby wall army.

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

golden bubble posted:

To be fair, Austria Hungary was missing seven out of 16 standing army corps for most of the July Crisis before WWI, because those corps had harvest leave.

For the Mayans, the problem was extreme: Their culture had no wheels and no pack animals at all, so they had to carry their food around on their backs if they wanted it transported it somewhere. This gave Mayan armies a ridiculous short reach -in Pre-European times, Mayan armies often had difficulties even getting to their next door neighbors. Also, apparently they had serious trouble with food production, anyway: Their history is a sordid history from cities growing until food production can't keep up, followed by total collapse shortly after. Followed then by other cities now growing and expanding, often thanks to survivors of the older cities being integrated and then the same thing happened again!

When the first Europeans showed up, they sometimes just walked past ruins of those long dead cities, since the incredibly dense jungle tended to make them disappear in short order. Sometimes the Mayans themselves had lost all knowledge about those places, which didn't help matters either

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

golden bubble posted:

To be fair, Austria Hungary was missing seven out of 16 standing army corps for most of the July Crisis before WWI, because those corps had harvest leave.

were those the ones where the officers could speak the same language as the enlisted or nah

trick question none of the army corps had enlisted that could speak the same language as their officers

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Tias posted:

Off-topic, but I', hoping one of you can help me:

So I'm writing an RPG campaign in the mythic scandinavian iron age. The primary theme will be deconstructing my players dumb notions about the IA such as history channel shows and the like.

While there will be dragons, your loving sword+2 will be made of hammered iron is what I'm saying. Now, an essential part of this is brushing off my knowledge on what daily life and technology was like in the iron age, do any of you guys have some good reads or websites I could check out to get a feel of things?

Step one: play King of Dragon Pass. :v:

Neophyte
Apr 23, 2006

perennially
Taco Defender

OwlFancier posted:

Leaning on a nearby wall army.

"If you've got time to lean you've got time to glean!" :argh:

aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


A plane that size doing a dive bombing attack would have been so loving awesome

It being on fire as it does it honestly just makes it even more metal

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

aphid_licker posted:

A plane that size doing a dive bombing attack would have been so loving awesome

It being on fire as it does it honestly just makes it even more metal

The Nazis were loving obsessed with literally everything being able to dive bomb tbh

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

feedmegin posted:

The Nazis were loving obsessed with literally everything being able to dive bomb tbh

In the abstract it was smart: aircraft that could bomb really accurately could replace the swarms of bombers the Nazis figured they couldn't fuel

Engineering reality tho said it was dumb as hell

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.
Speaking of WWII bombs:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/70-000-evacuated-over-wwii-bomb-frankfurt-154435398.html

70,000 evacuated in Frankfurt while they wait for a 4000-lb blockbuster to be disarmed or moved. Or disarmed and moved. But hopefully disarmed at some point.

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

Nebakenezzer posted:


Me 264s over New York City in an imaginary 1945

AMERICA BOMBERS 1943: Eris is Goddess

The really, really, condensed version of big bomber development in 1943 in the Third Reich is this:







Continue to love these posts. Much appreciated, excellent stuff

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KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

Phanatic posted:

Speaking of WWII bombs:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/70-000-evacuated-over-wwii-bomb-frankfurt-154435398.html

70,000 evacuated in Frankfurt while they wait for a 4000-lb blockbuster to be disarmed or moved. Or disarmed and moved. But hopefully disarmed at some point.

if frankfurt blew up very little of value would be lost

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