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the USA doesn't really have an established antifa outside of Berkley. The reality is the people joining the idea of it now are going to be regular dudes that are against fascism, not europunk anarchists.
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Yeah from over here it looks like what you guys call antifa are essentially liberal college students with a hardon for marx and not the see-the-world-burn anarchists we get. Also never come between a drunk german and his doner.
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Aug 30, 2017 21:52
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American Antifa is to European Antifa like how American Gypsies is to European Gypsies. Same word, different image.  VS 
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Aug 30, 2017 21:59
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Probably a majority of the people in Antifa in the USA right now didn't even know what it was a few months ago.
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Aug 30, 2017 22:08
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The Iron Rose posted:Yeah but those consequences shouldn't include getting physically assaulted for exercising your right to freedom of speech. Those who want to remove protections for people in a democratic institution while hiding behind said democratic institution absolutely deserve to be physically assaulted granted it's loving nearly impossible legislate something like this and it's a big rear end slippery slope for anyone who attempts to beyond banning specific unambiguous poo poo like the swastika or nazi salute
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Aug 30, 2017 22:10
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The Iron Rose posted:Didn't realize that we've gone back to the 1500s in terms of our political development. Speech isn't violence. By all means show up and counter-protests, by all means defend yourself against physical violence, but don't reply to words with fists. Sounds like something a Nazi would say
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That Works posted:Probably a majority of the people in Antifa in the USA right now didn't even know what it was a few months ago. I thought they were well-intentioned but histrionic goobers until a few months ago.
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Aug 30, 2017 22:51
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Deal with the problem children when the nazis/white supremacists/alt right is back under the rock they crawled out from. Blac bloc, juggalos, whatever. Good on em. If they want to stomp assholes fine by me. Enemy of my enemy is my friend. If this situation was larger and set in the ME these guys would be who? The kurds? 
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Aug 30, 2017 22:57
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Today in "holy poo poo they asked that question?" and "holy poo poo they got those results?" we have a Fox News poll. https://twitter.com/POLITICO_Steve/status/903016939425058816
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Aug 30, 2017 23:37
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Relevant.
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Aug 30, 2017 23:57
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https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/903030409398812673 Mattis says otherwise. Seems like Rex gets advice from Russians on how to do his job lol
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Aug 31, 2017 00:13
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Aug 31, 2017 00:19
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We elected the wrong old white guy.
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The only concern I have with antifa is that it needs more socialists and fewer anarchists. Too many young left-wingers are seeing the failure of the country's ostensibly left-leaning party to do more than kowtow to business interests and are responding to it by embracing the braindead left-wing equivalent of libertarianism. There's also been a resurgence in tankie ideology that says "America is the worst thing ever, therefore Putin and Assad are heroes." These people need some sense talked into them. Guess I'll have to put my money where my mouth is the next time Nazis go on parade in my neck of the woods.
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Aug 31, 2017 00:34
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Donnie is giving out signals that he'd pardon a fuckload of people, like Manafort and Flynn, if they'd hold on. Mueller has a plan. Politico: Bob Mueller is working with NY AG Eric Schneiderman on his investigation into Paul Manafort. quote:The two teams have shared evidence and talked frequently in recent weeks about a potential case, these people said. One of the people familiar with progress on the case said both Mueller’s and Schneiderman’s teams have collected evidence on financial crimes, including potential money laundering. State crimes aren't pardonable and NY AG Schneiderman has a total hard-on for going after the administration. Crafty!
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Aug 31, 2017 01:08
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Wait what?! A Walking Dead RPG? How the hell would that even work? Nhillistic rape cannibals hunting down one eyed pre-teens with wanderlust?
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facialimpediment posted:Donnie is giving out signals that he'd pardon a fuckload of people, like Manafort and Flynn, if they'd hold on. Said it once I'll say it again. Don't gently caress with spooks
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BigDave posted:Wait what?!
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The Iron Rose posted:Yeah but those consequences shouldn't include getting physically assaulted for exercising your right to freedom of speech. This was a while back, but what the gently caress is it with Americans wholesale believing the first amendment protects them from anything other than being locked up by the government for talking poo poo. I'm not even from there, and I understand that it's not there to protect your horrible opinions from earning you a punch in the face, and to consider it your right to say whatever you want with social impunity is frankly, idiotic. Likewise the moron Republicans railing against people getting sacked or boycotted for overt racism/discriminatory behaviour, because First Amendment. NOT WHAT THAT AMENDMENT DOES.
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Hot Karl Marx posted:https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/903030409398812673 Need a White House mime up ins STAT
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Don Dongington posted:This was a while back, but what the gently caress is it with Americans wholesale believing the first amendment protects them from anything other than being locked up by the government for talking poo poo. I'm not even from there, and I understand that it's not there to protect your horrible opinions from earning you a punch in the face, and to consider it your right to say whatever you want with social impunity is frankly, idiotic.
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https://twitter.com/pixelatedboat/status/902776691524640768
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Dead Reckoning posted:The interaction between constitutional rights and individual conduct is not always intuitive or obvious. For example, 18 U.S. Code § 241 criminalizes depriving someone of their constitutional rights. Private citizens cannot interfere with another person's right to vote, and intimidating, harassing, or firing someone on the basis of their religion is illegal, so I can see why some people would make the intuitive leap to the idea that doing the same to someone for expressing a disliked opinion would be similarly illegal. Do you pull this boring contrarian poo poo in every thread?
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Don Dongington posted:This was a while back, but what the gently caress is it with Americans wholesale believing the first amendment protects them from anything other than being locked up by the government for talking poo poo. I'm not even from there, and I understand that it's not there to protect your horrible opinions from earning you a punch in the face, and to consider it your right to say whatever you want with social impunity is frankly, idiotic. What country are you from where assault and battery isn't illegal?
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Well, I guess if I can't fire my public relations person, because they're Buddhist, that must mean I can't fire this other public relations person for publicly advocating genocide in the streets. 
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Aug 31, 2017 01:54
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Do yall think Mattis will run for president?
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Dead Reckoning posted:The interaction between constitutional rights and individual conduct is not always intuitive or obvious. For example, 18 U.S. Code § 241 criminalizes depriving someone of their constitutional rights. Private citizens cannot interfere with another person's right to vote, and intimidating, harassing, or firing someone on the basis of their religion is illegal, so I can see why some people would make the intuitive leap to the idea that doing the same to someone for expressing a disliked opinion would be similarly illegal. I can see why but that doesn't make it any less dumb. If you applied Constitutional principles to employer-employee interaction in that way, my boss would need a warrant to monitor my Internet use and to convene a jury to fire me. The US Constitution only applies to government action. If a prosecutor tried to apply the US Code you linked in the moronic way you want to apply it, any judge would toss the case. There are laws, not Constitutional amendments, governing employer-employee interaction. https://www1.eeoc.gov//laws/practices/index.cfm?renderforprint=1
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45 ACP CURES NAZIS posted:Do yall think Mattis will run for president? No, not at all. Lord Protector isn't voted on.
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Man, I just tried to look up National Security Strategy 2017, but of course it isn't published yet.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Do you pull this boring contrarian poo poo in every thread? still, glad to have him (even though I'll poo poo on him and Godholio it's nice to have different opinions, even if they're mostly wrong). gives good exercise for actually arguing against important people that believe those things edit: seriously on most things it's nice to at least see a view that's different as it brings one's own into better focus, but there's times like now where Godholio and DR come off as just contrarian or wrong; as much as I tend to drive-by shitpost I still enjoy reading y'all's viewpoints most times, but this time specifically it's pretty drat laughable. There's other poo poo where it doesn't come off as lovely and instead can be pretty good discussion, but now ain't one of 'em Professor Bling fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Aug 31, 2017 |
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45 ACP CURES NAZIS posted:Do yall think Mattis will run for president? I don't think we deserve him. His role is to lead us through the nuclear hellfire.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Do you pull this boring contrarian poo poo in every thread?
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Mullers team is basically the law enforcement version of Delta Force and all the top tier support guys that work at that level. Almost every single person on that team from the legal side to the interview teams to the counter Intel guys are going to be top notch. This will end with people going to jail for a loooooooong time.
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joat mon posted:What country are you from where assault and battery isn't illegal? Nothing to do with the point being made. Punching a nazi, and impugning on somebody's constitutional rights aren't the same thing. And lets not pretend we live in a Utopian paradise where nobody ever gets hit for being an rear end in a top hat. We may as well argue that punching someone in the face for groping you/your friend/your partner at a bar makes you as bad as the guy who sexually assaulted someone. Professor Bling posted:yeah, he pretty much does. Still better than Viking Skull.
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Smiling Jack posted:
There is no possible way donald j trump will become president.
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ded posted:There is no possible way donald j trump will become president. Yeah, I think that was some pretty wishful thinking that doesn't take into account the different physics on this side of the '16 wormhole.
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hear me out: people associated with Donald Trump and Paul Manafort might not have totally followed the law at all times Note I didn't say DJT or even Manafort is going to jail but a lot of underlings and hangers on are gonna get shredded.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Do you pull this boring contrarian poo poo in every thread? mlmp08 posted:Well, I guess if I can't fire my public relations person, because they're Buddhist, that must mean I can't fire this other public relations person for publicly advocating genocide in the streets. at the date posted:I can see why but that doesn't make it any less dumb. If you applied Constitutional principles to employer-employee interaction in that way, my boss would need a warrant to monitor my Internet use and to convene a jury to fire me. The US Constitution only applies to government action. If a prosecutor tried to apply the US Code you linked in the moronic way you want to apply it, any judge would toss the case. Don Dongington posted:Nothing to do with the point being made. Punching a nazi, and impugning on somebody's constitutional rights aren't the same thing. And lets not pretend we live in a Utopian paradise where nobody ever gets hit for being an rear end in a top hat. We may as well argue that punching someone in the face for groping you/your friend/your partner at a bar makes you as bad as the guy who sexually assaulted someone.
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Smiling Jack posted:hear me out: Nobody knew that following the law would be so difficult. Edit: https://twitter.com/benpershing/status/903056203080720386 facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 02:38 on Aug 31, 2017 |
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