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a cat on an apple posted:I don't know what you guys expected from the police, though. it looks like they were simply following procedures. I found a hefty 110 page PFD about (theoretical?) approaches to managing mass demonstrations, which suggests the idea that their procedures for riots leave them to be quite limited. from viewing the video, I believe this PDF is accurate to their approach. I didn't read the whole thing but a lot of it is focused more on media relations and less so on public safety. the only thing I've found focused more on public safety is something from the ACLU: They're literally macing random people, eat poo poo and die
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:They're literally macing random people, eat poo poo and die a cat on an apple posted:what would you have rathered them do? go in guns blazing to take down the gun-wielding nazis and create a real bloody battlefield? they surrounded, contained, moved in, and worked to disperse a high-threat civilian area. I know we hate blue pigs here but their standing around wasn't in support of white supremacy, it was a controlled process to limit damages.
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Aug 31, 2017 21:21
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a cat on an apple posted:what would you have rathered them do? go in guns blazing to take down the gun-wielding nazis and create a real bloody battlefield? they surrounded, contained, moved in, and worked to disperse a high-threat civilian area. I know we hate blue pigs here but their standing around wasn't in support of white supremacy, it was a controlled process to limit damages. It's real fuckin weird that the only people who they seem to seek out are the ones who aren't Nazis and are acting in self defense or defending other people, as opposed to beating people because they're racist chuds
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Aug 31, 2017 21:22
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If only there was a continuum between only selectively enforcing the law and murdering everyone
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Aug 31, 2017 21:23
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The gently caress kinda person looks at US cops, who are already arbitrary af when it comes to enforcing the law, and is all "hm yes, surely their only alternative was to help the fash"?
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:It's real fuckin weird that the only people who they seem to seek out are the ones who aren't Nazis and are acting in self defense or defending other people, as opposed to beating people because they're racist chuds I didn't see any of that in the video, which is my only real knowledge of what happened at Charlottesville (aside from hearsay). if that did happen, then that's dumb as hell BENGHAZI 2 posted:If only there was a continuum between only selectively enforcing the law and murdering everyone which they did. they surrounded to contain - unless you think they had the numbers to enforce the law and prevent further violence outbreaks on the first night? once they had VSPD to help control the masses, they began using Non-Lethal Devices (tear gas) to disperse everyone. even then, this mostly only ushered riots to other locations. they couldn't perform mass arrests because of what I quoted and some more stuff - that section goes on to mention requiring evidence for the litigation process. I'm not saying they acted perfectly, but them standing around wasn't in support of white supremacy or something dumb like that, and yelling at them about not making arrests or not answering questions is dumb because they had a chain of command to follow. once they had the numbers to act, they began to act. this doesn't exonerate them of other things, but in this case I don't think they could have made significantly better decisions except in hindsight.
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Peachfart posted:This article disagrees. Wow an article from socialistworker.org that has very little actual direct evidence she believes this, what a shocker
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Aug 31, 2017 21:33
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"I don't know what was happening in that scenario but obviously we should give the benefit of the doubt to notably racist American police in a scenario when they didn't prevent far-right violence, guys." ^ oh gently caress off lmao, you write off other Democratic politicians for less than that.
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Lightning Knight posted:"I don't know what was happening in that scenario but obviously we should give the benefit of the doubt to notably racist American police in a scenario when they didn't prevent far-right violence, guys." the video maker in question was constantly asking why no arrests were made or why he was being ignored. the answer is that there was a chain of command, and incidentally the extremely close scrutiny they were held to means that even the slightest misstep would be heavily dissected for all of its flaws (as it is now). by the video, they were following their procedures for mass demonstrations which is likely designed with the goal of overall safety for civilians at large. yes, there was violence, which was why they moved to contain and disperse - strangely, not something that can happen instantaneous. "Why not mass arrest?" because of due procedures. "Why not use of force?" because optics (lmao). if you guys know precisely what CPD could have done differently to have prevented even more damages in this precise scenario, I would love to have your input.
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Aug 31, 2017 21:39
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Like, America gives so little of a poo poo about police brutality that you had to have a massive street protests about cops not gunning down black people willy-nilly only a few years ago (which incidentally were met by police brutality), but now when it's some goddamn fash on the recieving end we suddenly have to get all concerned and demand that the cops treat them with silk gloves.
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Aug 31, 2017 21:42
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just because a dog that did something right has done a lot of things bad in the past doesn't mean you punish them for doing something right. if you guys were head of police in the Charlottesville situation, aside from ending racial discrimination obviously, what would you have done differently to protect as many people as possible in the high conflict rioting? how would you have instantly dispersed the fash without causing more damage over time? it was hundreds of people that hated each other with a lot of people calling for an outright war.
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Aug 31, 2017 21:47
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You go in and start cracking fash skulls, ya dumdum. Fash are cowards and will fold the moment they meet actual resistance, as shown by recent events. Instead the cops sides with the fash, as they always have done, and now we have dumbasses who are pretending that the poor cops just didn't have no choice, honest.
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[quote="“a cat on an apple”" post="“475944687”"] just because a dog that did something right has done a lot of things bad in the past doesn’t mean you punish them for doing something right. if you guys were head of police in the Charlottesville situation, aside from ending racial discrimination obviously, what would you have done differently to protect as many people as possible in the high conflict rioting? how would you have instantly dispersed the fash without causing more damage over time? it was hundreds of people that hated each other with a lot of people calling for an outright war. [/quote] When one fires a god damned gun, you swarm and arrest not stand and sit by. The fact that you need to be told this is astounding.
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Aug 31, 2017 22:29
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lotta bad praxis in the past page
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Aug 31, 2017 22:35
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Can't stop Nazis from assaulting people across the street from the police station, but if you have a bandana in your pocket you're hosed
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Aug 31, 2017 22:45
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Grouchio posted:If the Democrats die out who would replace them? Remember when you hung palin in effigy and didn't understand why that was bad Shut up and go away
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Aug 31, 2017 22:50
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:It's real fuckin weird that the only people who they seem to seek out are the ones who aren't Nazis and are acting in self defense or defending other people, as opposed to beating people because they're racist chuds At the end of the day, the police didn't kill anybody, which is more than you can say about traffic stops of black people
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/cobb-county-georgia-officer-dashcam-footage-we-only-kill-black-n797721quote:In dashcam footage from July 2016, first obtained by WSB-TV Channel 2 in Atlanta, a white woman can be heard telling Cobb County police Lt. Greg Abbott that she was scared to put her hands down because she had "seen way too many videos of cops." Abbott, who is also white, then says, "But you're not black. Remember, we only kill black people. Yeah, we only kill black people, right?" 
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Sep 1, 2017 00:53
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The centrist part of me is asking if he's at least saying it sarcastically.
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Sep 1, 2017 01:47
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Mister Facetious posted:The centrist part of me is asking if he's at least saying it sarcastically. 
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Sep 1, 2017 02:13
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call to action posted:Wow an article from socialistworker.org that has very little actual direct evidence she believes this, what a shocker I'm curious what people in this thread, of all threads, have against Socialist Worker. Too centrist?
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DeadlyMuffin posted:I'm curious what people in this thread, of all threads, have against Socialist Worker. Too centrist? ISO are revisionist scum. The ISO are actually a super creepy cult. They are also Trots, but I repeat myself. Some posters on D&D are on the level with Chomsky. ISO deems him a "fake leftist". I get what they are going for, but as a Maoist (crazy Marxist from the opposite end with it's own problem of historical revisionism) my critique would be that America isn't Russia in 1905. There is no looming march on the Winter Palace that will give rise to what will give rise to the Revolution. Granted, Mar a Lago may prove me wrong. I'm open to being wrong.
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Sep 1, 2017 03:17
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Who knows, here's another centrist rag saying the same thing: https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/05/tulsi-gabbard-president-sanders-democratic-party
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Shbobdb posted:ISO are revisionist scum. So basically the opposite of all this
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Sep 1, 2017 03:24
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I've been too busy to keep up past several days, so let me make sure I got this right: The Democrats are tacking right cause socialism is racism, and are now condemning people resisting fascists who are becoming normalized to Republicans?
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Sneakster posted:I've been too busy to keep up past several days, so let me make sure I got this right: The Democrats are tacking right cause socialism is racism, and are now condemning people resisting fascists who are becoming normalized to Republicans? Pretty much on the money, yes. They're also compromising on abortion, and literally shutting out Sanders supporters of colour with token gifts of donut and water, and are celebrating this with donut emojis. (Nina Turner, wasn't that?)
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Shbobdb posted:The ISO are actually a super creepy cult. They are also Trots, but I repeat myself. Some posters on D&D are on the level with Chomsky. ISO deems him a "fake leftist". I get what they are going for, but as a Maoist[...] I honestly didn't think your gimmick could get any worse, but here we are.
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Ignoring all the shitpost for a bit, I saw this today: https://news.vice.com/story/podcasts-are-becoming-the-lefts-right-wing-talk-radio The story itself is pretty bland and nothing new for most of us. But here's the interesting passage: quote:“The Pod Bro’s are a gift to the Republican Party — pushing Democratic candidates to adopt extremely liberal policy positions that only appeal to the Kool-Aid drinkers,” said Jesse Hunt, the national press secretary for the National Republican Congressional Committee. “Look no further than the Democrats’ failed special election run when gauging the impact of left-wing podcasts.” Notable because: - NRCC is using language that centrist democrats created to smear the left ("Bro"). - NRCC is grouping everyone from Ossoff to Pod Save America with Chapo
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joepinetree posted:Ignoring all the shitpost for a bit, I saw this today: Incredible. Never seem someone so jealous that they aren't the "new liberal media".
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DeadlyMuffin posted:I honestly didn't think your gimmick could get any worse, but here we are. I've come to respect my place in the mass line here at SA, you'll come around eventually. A few years ago, I was getting banned for saying the antifa are good. Now it's a regular SA talking point. I've always been at the bleeding edge. Join me and embrace the future.
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Sep 1, 2017 15:23
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Who gives a poo poo what a bunch of tankies think about Tulsi? Literally every criticism of her applies to Obama as well, someone who Tulsi-haters universally adore. Something tells me the concern isn't in good faith! 
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Shbobdb posted:A few years ago, I was getting banned for saying the antifa are good. Now it's a regular SA talking point.
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Skyscraper posted:I'm looking at your rap sheet but not seeing that one. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3806934&pagenumber=3&perpage=40#post468624212 Here's a more recent probation from this year. Hilarious when you consider this other probation: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3797481&pagenumber=1517&perpage=40#post469720905 "Don't ever solicit money (for antifa) but if you want to solicit money for other things that's contextual" Lots of other ones are tangential to the actual reason for banning/probation. You know how it goes, express an opinion and eventually they'll find something to make it stick.
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Sep 1, 2017 16:33
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call to action posted:Who gives a poo poo what a bunch of tankies think about Tulsi? Literally every criticism of her applies to Obama as well, someone who Tulsi-haters universally adore. Something tells me the concern isn't in good faith! that's the spirit. cory booker 2020.
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Shbobdb posted:https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3806934&pagenumber=3&perpage=40#post468624212 Well, the word antifa certainly does appear in one of those probated posts.
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call to action posted:Who gives a poo poo what a bunch of tankies think about Tulsi? Literally every criticism of her applies to Obama as well, someone who Tulsi-haters universally adore. Something tells me the concern isn't in good faith! Plenty of leftists were rather unhappy with how Obama turned out, in fact it's been brought up more than a few times in this thread. Most leftists don't want more of the same, otherwise this thread probably wouldn't exist. Maybe you just haven't been paying attention?
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call to action posted:Who gives a poo poo what a bunch of tankies think about Tulsi? Literally every criticism of her applies to Obama as well, someone who Tulsi-haters universally adore. Something tells me the concern isn't in good faith! Kinda doubt that.
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Here's an excellent video explaining how fascists manage to trick centrists into supporting fascism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sx4BVGPkdzk
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On other news, in discussing the difficulty of closing tax loopholes Dan Pfeiffer perhaps revealed more than he wanted in the latest PSA. He was talking about how they were trying to end the private jet tax loophole against staunch republican opposition, and what he claims really led to them eventually giving up was that Democratic donors got upset over it. Now, the point of his argument was that tax loopholes are hard to do away with, but it also reveals how much power democratic donors have over the party.
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