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suffix: Jul 27, 2013; Wheeee!

ultravoices posted:

okay you sort of can do that in python by with hasattr, it will retain state between function calls but the attribute will be accessible from outside the scope of the function.

how would you use hasattr?

the only ways i've seen in python is either

code:


static_foos = ['foo']
def foo():
    global static_foos

or, grossly,

code:

def foo(*, _static_foos=['foo']):

# ? Sep 1, 2017 10:00

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# ? May 22, 2024 12:29

redleader: Aug 18, 2005; Engage according to operational parameters

so the madmen who work on webkit are thinking seriously about removing one of js's few good features

i like how they're planning on introducing a bunch of really low-level threading primitives into js, rather than a set of less footgunny concurrency abstractions.

# ? Sep 1, 2017 12:12

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

redleader posted:

so the madmen who work on webkit are thinking seriously about removing one of js's few good features

i like how they're planning on introducing a bunch of really low-level threading primitives into js, rather than a set of less footgunny concurrency abstractions.

Ahahaha I look forward to the combination of your average JavaScript programmer and what basically seems to be the barebones Posix threads model. Gonna be glorious.

# ? Sep 1, 2017 12:19

ultravoices: May 10, 2004; You are about to embark on a great journey. Are you ready, my friend?

suffix posted:

how would you use hasattr?

code:

def holy_shit():
  if not hasattr(holy_shit, "piss"):
     holy_shit.piss = "piss" 
  holy_shit.piss += "s"

# ? Sep 1, 2017 12:57

Arcsech: Aug 5, 2008

redleader posted:

so the madmen who work on webkit are thinking seriously about removing one of js's few good features

i like how they're planning on introducing a bunch of really low-level threading primitives into js, rather than a set of less footgunny concurrency abstractions.

javascript, much like go, seems determined to completely reinvent the history of programming languages from first principles

# ? Sep 1, 2017 17:26

Soricidus: Oct 21, 2010; freedom-hating statist shill

first as tragedy, then as farce, then as farce again but ~in the browser~

# ? Sep 1, 2017 17:43

TOPS-420: Feb 13, 2012

i dont think the webkit devs "get" concurrency

https://twitter.com/filpizlo/status/903250367663693824

# ? Sep 1, 2017 17:53

Sweeper: Nov 29, 2007; The Joe Buck of Posting; Dinosaur Gum

my one core CPU (sometimes?? poo poo gets complicated) executes serially, can't do concurrency sorry thread havers, execute your programs somewhere else

# ? Sep 1, 2017 17:55

Soricidus: Oct 21, 2010; freedom-hating statist shill

Sweeper posted:

my one core CPU (sometimes?? poo poo gets complicated) executes serially, can't do concurrency sorry thread havers, execute your programs somewhere else

there's a range of models for running more than one bit of code at a time with shared memory, from cooperative multitasking up to multi-cpu systems. it's debatable where you draw the line and say "this is concurrent, this is not", but i think it's reasonable to put that line at the point at which another bit of code can run at an unpredictable point in your code -- i.e. pre-emptive multitasking. and event loops are not on the concurrent side of that line.

# ? Sep 1, 2017 18:40

Sweeper: Nov 29, 2007; The Joe Buck of Posting; Dinosaur Gum

Soricidus posted:

there's a range of models for running more than one bit of code at a time with shared memory, from cooperative multitasking up to multi-cpu systems. it's debatable where you draw the line and say "this is concurrent, this is not", but i think it's reasonable to put that line at the point at which another bit of code can run at an unpredictable point in your code -- i.e. pre-emptive multitasking. and event loops are not on the concurrent side of that line.

I guess I consider the 'wait' time in tasks to be a part of the total task, so if you are waiting for I/O you can do something else "concurrently" when whatever you were doing is waiting for an interrupt or something

# ? Sep 1, 2017 18:54

sarehu: Apr 20, 2007; (call/cc call/cc)

Having done Go a bit my biggest complaint is over keeping track of what the heck ":=" is doing to my already-declared variables and their scope.

# ? Sep 1, 2017 19:18

Ralith: Jan 12, 2011; I see a ship in the harbor
I can and shall obey
But if it wasn't for your misfortune
I'd be a heavenly person today

Soricidus posted:

there's a range of models for running more than one bit of code at a time with shared memory, from cooperative multitasking up to multi-cpu systems. it's debatable where you draw the line and say "this is concurrent, this is not", but i think it's reasonable to put that line at the point at which another bit of code can run at an unpredictable point in your code -- i.e. pre-emptive multitasking. and event loops are not on the concurrent side of that line.

if your tasks are along the lines of "read a HTTP response" then it is useful and accurate to describe an event loop as (being capable of) performing those tasks concurrently.

# ? Sep 1, 2017 22:09

Gazpacho: Jun 18, 2004; by Fluffdaddy; Slippery Tilde

read lauer & needham y'all

# ? Sep 2, 2017 00:31

Carthag Tuek: Oct 15, 2005; Tider skal komme,
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Gazpacho posted:

read lauer & needham y'all

me: ehh

# ? Sep 2, 2017 00:41

Gazpacho: Jun 18, 2004; by Fluffdaddy; Slippery Tilde

btw the dual to timeslicing in event-driven systems would be an event handler that has to do something CPU-intensive so it slices that up by throwing subtask events into its own queue but then it doesn't filter to ensure that it's only processing the subtasks and accidentally takes an external request from the queue before it has taken the last subtask.

# ? Sep 2, 2017 00:56

rjmccall: Sep 7, 2007; no worries friend; Fun Shoe

why would you slice an event up if you were going to put the queue in a filtered mode that only took those slices

# ? Sep 2, 2017 17:09

Gazpacho: Jun 18, 2004; by Fluffdaddy; Slippery Tilde

so that the runtime can switch to other tasks waiting on other queues at each pop

# ? Sep 2, 2017 18:13

rjmccall: Sep 7, 2007; no worries friend; Fun Shoe

ah, sure, makes sense

# ? Sep 2, 2017 18:35

JawnV6: Jul 4, 2004; So hot ...

c is still awesome, hth

and a bonus

# ? Sep 6, 2017 01:33

Lutha Mahtin: Oct 10, 2010; Your brokebrain sin is absolved...go and shitpost no more!

JawnV6 posted:

c is still awesome, hth

# ? Sep 6, 2017 01:56

JawnV6: Jul 4, 2004; So hot ...

Lutha Mahtin posted:

yah camping is good too, i went up to mendocino to avoid the hell on earth of a 90+ sf

# ? Sep 6, 2017 02:07

Lutha Mahtin: Oct 10, 2010; Your brokebrain sin is absolved...go and shitpost no more!

thats the guy what wrote the article

# ? Sep 6, 2017 02:08

Asshole Masonanie: Oct 27, 2009; by vyelkin

wow what a loving mutant he is

# ? Sep 6, 2017 02:31

post hole digger: Mar 21, 2011

JawnV6 posted:

yah camping is good too, i went up to mendocino to avoid the hell on earth of a 90+ sf

where did you go in mendocino where it wasnt even hotter

# ? Sep 6, 2017 02:39

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

Lutha Mahtin posted:

didnt know c developers were normal

# ? Sep 6, 2017 03:41

JawnV6: Jul 4, 2004; So hot ...

my bitter bi rival posted:

where did you go in mendocino where it wasnt even hotter

state park right on the coast, hiked in to the primitive campsites ~2mi inland. was only like 80's?

# ? Sep 6, 2017 03:47

Gazpacho: Jun 18, 2004; by Fluffdaddy; Slippery Tilde

C is a good language for writing C programs in

# ? Sep 8, 2017 00:56

JewKiller 3000: Nov 28, 2006; by Lowtax

Gazpacho posted:

C is a good language for writing C programs in

a gun is a good tool for killing innocent children with

just because the tool is good at doing the job doesn't mean the job should be done

# ? Sep 8, 2017 01:20

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

JewKiller 3000 posted:

a gun is a good tool for killing innocent children with

please try not to summon ESR

# ? Sep 8, 2017 01:21

Workaday Wizard: Oct 23, 2009; by Pragmatica

Gazpacho posted:

C is a good language for writing C programs in

which c?

# ? Sep 8, 2017 01:24

Gazpacho: Jun 18, 2004; by Fluffdaddy; Slippery Tilde

that guy really needs to learn the difference between a research article and a blog post

# ? Sep 8, 2017 01:24

Gazpacho: Jun 18, 2004; by Fluffdaddy; Slippery Tilde

JewKiller 3000 posted:

a gun is a good tool for killing innocent children with

I wouldn't trust you with a gun or with C but that's your problem

# ? Sep 8, 2017 01:29

Asshole Masonanie: Oct 27, 2009; by vyelkin

JewKiller 3000 posted:

a gun is a good tool for killing innocent children with

just because the tool is good at doing the job doesn't mean the job should be done

excellent username/post combo

# ? Sep 8, 2017 01:47

Max Facetime: Apr 18, 2009

Gazpacho posted:

that guy really needs to learn the difference between a research article and a blog post

yeah what is this, this is way too coherent for a PL PDF

I mean, including C code and not pseudo code, that's so.... explicit

# ? Sep 8, 2017 16:50

Cybernetic Vermin: Apr 18, 2005

Gazpacho posted:

that guy really needs to learn the difference between a research article and a blog post

where, to be clear, the difference is that the people who produce the former have to pretend there is a deep difference to preserve: 1) an archaic system of academic publishers; and; 2) their own continued existence within a byzantine funding system which has an concept of "merit" derived mostly from the publishers of point 1

# ? Sep 8, 2017 17:05

Cybernetic Vermin: Apr 18, 2005

(my funding is secure through 2018 so i am comfortable talking poo poo for a little while yet)

# ? Sep 8, 2017 17:09

Workaday Wizard: Oct 23, 2009; by Pragmatica

why do academic journals insist on the bad two column layout, bad font, bad spacing, bad page size, and bad writing style?

# ? Sep 8, 2017 17:22

Cybernetic Vermin: Apr 18, 2005

you need to name some names there, because for all the hate i already heaped on publishers above i must say i usually come away impressed with the quality of work they put into cleaning up manuscripts only a handful of people ever read

# ? Sep 8, 2017 17:37

Workaday Wizard: Oct 23, 2009; by Pragmatica

i dunno man. all of them?

everytime i open a paper its always the same lovely 2 col layout. i just love it when a sentence runs six lines and have 3 words hyphenated to the next line.

oh and you almost never get a glossary for any terms introduced in the paper. nor will you get an index or a table of content for long papers.

in conclusion, academic paper layout blows goats QED

# ? Sep 8, 2017 18:06

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# ? May 22, 2024 12:29

gonadic io: Feb 16, 2011; >>=

Shinku ABOOKEN posted:

in conclusion, academic paper layout blows goats ∎

# ? Sep 8, 2017 18:09

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