NBA Offseason G/V: Let Me Hear You Post It

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What is going to be your favorite offseason storyline? This poll is closed.
The Big3 Tourney	67	22.41%
Will Lakers draft Ball	40	13.38%
Where will the Pauls go	54	18.06%
Will LeBron jump ship to the Spurs or ??	41	13.71%
Will every team in the league just pivot towards tanking	97	32.44%
Total:	210 votes

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Cool Buff Man: Jul 30, 2006; bitch

Just saw Gordon. I told him I loved him.

# ? Sep 3, 2017 22:07

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# ? May 16, 2024 22:10

Dejan Bimble: Mar 24, 2008; we're all black friends; Plaster Town Cop

Spite posted:

Here's my basketball hot take: Marc is currently better than Pau ever was. He doesn't have as many moves on offense but his defense is so, so much better than his brother.

My Hiphop hot take: Illmatic falls off after the first half.

Prime Pau was from before my time as a watcher of more than the home team. But from what I've read, prime Pau was as good on offense as prime Marc on defense. Without good defensive numbers from back then I would err on the side of saying they've been about equally good, with Pau maybe edging out Marc careerwise because he's been such a good offensive player for so long.

# ? Sep 3, 2017 22:38

dokmo: Aug 27, 2006; man

Jack's Flow posted:

FIBA just posted the 2 minute highlight package. That Markkanen guy looks pretty good.

Highlights are boring. Lets see some lowlights.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SCusipZDkU

# ? Sep 3, 2017 22:55

Punkin Spunkin: Jan 1, 2010

MourningView posted:

LaMelo going to china and dropping like 40 a game would be very fun although I am concerned Lavar would accidentally start WWIII somehow

or alternatively LaVar becomes the new Korean fixation and him and Dennis Rodman bring us back from the brink of nuclear apocalypse

we need leaders now more than ever

I bet Fat Kim Lord #3 or whatever the Chinese call him behind his back is definitely a fan of WWE

# ? Sep 3, 2017 23:06

Ghost Dog: Aug 17, 2016

i think lavar owns but a substantially powerful basketball guru could sway my opinion

i feel like any hatred you have for him is just an ugly manifestation of ur inner old sportsdad coming out and you gotta whackamole that poo poo down

# ? Sep 3, 2017 23:09

tanglewood1420: Oct 28, 2010; The importance of this mission cannot be overemphasized

Spacebump posted:

It's hard for me to believe Marc is better than Pau. People forget how amazing Pau was in his prime. He has seasons with more winshares than Marc ever did in both Memphis and LA. Pau has the problem of playing during the golden age of power forwards. This causes people to underrate him. There is no shame in being worse than Dirk, Duncan, and KG.

Pau is a top __ player of all time? I would guess at least 50 but have never put much thought into the question.

Top 50 for sure. He's already at #32 in career win shares. Could get as high as 25 before he retires if he has three more solid seasons.

# ? Sep 3, 2017 23:11

xbilkis: Apr 11, 2005; god qb
me
jay hova

dokmo posted:

Highlights are boring. Lets see some lowlights.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SCusipZDkU

Please refrain from posting anything that suggests Lauri Markkanen might not actually be a superstar after posting big numbers against the Polish national team

# ? Sep 3, 2017 23:22

Lockback: Sep 3, 2006; All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.

Dejan Bimble posted:

Prime Pau was from before my time as a watcher of more than the home team. But from what I've read, prime Pau was as good on offense as prime Marc on defense. Without good defensive numbers from back then I would err on the side of saying they've been about equally good, with Pau maybe edging out Marc careerwise because he's been such a good offensive player for so long.

He basically always anchored top-5 defenses except when injured or traded. Teams for better defensively when he arrived and worse when he left. I watched him on the Grizzles a little and on the Lakers a lot. He could guard you outside and in, and was really good at rotating over to little guards. He wasn't super speedy, but he had great balance and a really quick first step. He was a really good defensively, while both him and Marc have been great, prime Pau probably was more valuable.

# ? Sep 3, 2017 23:29

euphronius: Feb 18, 2009

Cool Buff Man posted:

Just saw Gordon. I told him I loved him.

Ben Gordon ? Tom Gordon ? Tom Gordon junior ?

# ? Sep 3, 2017 23:31

Redgrendel2001: Sep 1, 2006; you literally think a person saying their NBA team of choice being better than the fucking 76ers is a 'schtick'

a literal thing you think.

Dejan Bimble posted:

Prime Pau was from before my time as a watcher of more than the home team. But from what I've read, prime Pau was as good on offense as prime Marc on defense. Without good defensive numbers from back then I would err on the side of saying they've been about equally good, with Pau maybe edging out Marc careerwise because he's been such a good offensive player for so long.

Pretty much. Marc is quite good on offense, but in a more limited manner; i.e. Pau in his prime was a lot more likely to score 30-40 pts in a game than Marc would be.

I'd take Pau by a small but solid margin, unless Marc can hold off injuries+age and put together a great 4-5 years. People forget that Pau has been remarkably consistent in doing his thing for 16 years.

# ? Sep 3, 2017 23:38

euphronius: Feb 18, 2009

Marc hitting 3s at 39% last year made it s lot closer .

# ? Sep 3, 2017 23:45

ChickenMedium: Sep 2, 2001; Forum Veteran And Professor Emeritus of Condiment Studies

euphronius posted:

Ben Gordon ? Tom Gordon ? Tom Gordon junior ?

Gordon from Sesame Street

# ? Sep 3, 2017 23:48

Redgrendel2001: Sep 1, 2006; you literally think a person saying their NBA team of choice being better than the fucking 76ers is a 'schtick'

a literal thing you think.

Lockback posted:

He basically always anchored top-5 defenses except when injured or traded. Teams for better defensively when he arrived and worse when he left. I watched him on the Grizzles a little and on the Lakers a lot. He could guard you outside and in, and was really good at rotating over to little guards. He wasn't super speedy, but he had great balance and a really quick first step. He was a really good defensively, while both him and Marc have been great, prime Pau probably was more valuable.

His defense has always been underrated. Healthy Pau was a good shot blocker who had great awareness and spacing, was physical on D in the paint, had good defensive hands, rotated and communicated well.

His peak D was never as dominant as Marc's peak but it was very good.

Redgrendel2001 fucked around with this message at 23:53 on Sep 3, 2017

# ? Sep 3, 2017 23:49

Jack's Flow: Jun 6, 2003; Life, friends, is boring

Pau has been so good for so long, I think it's easy to take him for granted. I mean he arrived on the NBA scene as a rookie who averaged a smooth 18 & 9 at age 21. His worst PER in sixteen seasons is 17 (rounding up here). I never thought Marc would reach Pau heights, but he's getting really darn close.

# ? Sep 3, 2017 23:49

Lockback: Sep 3, 2006; All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.

euphronius posted:

Marc hitting 3s at 39% last year made it s lot closer .

Pau hit 53% 3pt% shooting 1 less three per 36 than Marc.....

# ? Sep 3, 2017 23:55

euphronius: Feb 18, 2009

Lockback posted:

Pau hit 53% 3pt% shooting 1 less three per 36 than Marc.....

Did not know that

You are right

# ? Sep 3, 2017 23:56

BWV: Feb 24, 2005

What's cool about the Gasols is that they were both considered to be close to the pinnacle of what it meant to be a skilled big men during their respective (and pretty different) eras. While people these last few years talk about Marc as the ideal stretch 5, Pau during his run was also considered to be the perfect big man for his era. He had such great touch, could pass, and was really quick on his feet. The Gasols own and I will miss them both one day.

# ? Sep 4, 2017 00:01

Lockback: Sep 3, 2006; All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.

Pau would be an amazing positionless big if he was coming into his prime right now. He'd look like a 7 foot Draymond if teams schemed like they do now, though he never had Draymond's motor.

I'd like to remind people that during this guys prime the word most people used to describe him was "soft".

# ? Sep 4, 2017 00:03

Shrimp or Shrimps: Feb 14, 2012

dokmo posted:

Highlights are boring. Lets see some lowlights.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SCusipZDkU

He lets people get real deep on him very easily.

Cool Buff Man posted:

Just saw Gordon. I told him I loved him.

Did he look scrumptious?

# ? Sep 4, 2017 00:06

DeimosRising: Oct 17, 2005; �Hola SEA!

euphronius posted:

Marc hitting 3s at 39% last year made it s lot closer .

His leap in 3pt attempt rate was almost exactly nullified by his career low ftr and drop in 2pt efficiency in terms of ts% and net points vs his prior output (ignoring his injured 2015-16 season). And Pau shot even better from 3 last year, 64 3np to 44 for Marc.

Marc has never been as good as 2007-2012 Pau and he's now in his age 33 season and playing notably worse than he was a few years ago. I think it's weird everyone is talking about him like he's peaking right now, which neither the numbers nor watching the Grizzlies support at all

# ? Sep 4, 2017 00:24

Zogo: Jul 29, 2003

Strawberry Panda posted:

My favorite rap album is Supreme Clientele by Ghostface.

From two years back:

code:

Name your favorite album:
								Votes
Space Jam: Music from and Inspired by the Motion Picture	5
Nas - Illmatic							4
Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy			3
Kendrick Lamar - good kid, m.A.A.d city				2
Marvin Gaye - What's Going On					2
My Bloody Valentine - Loveless					2
Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon				2

1 Vote:

2Pac - R U Still Down? (Remember Me)
AFI - Sing the Sorrow	
Alexisonfire - Watch Out!	
Bloc Party - Silent Alarm					
Blues Traveler - Travelers and Thieves		
Chvrches - The Bones of What You Believe
Daft Punk - Discovery 		
Dark Tranquility - The Mind's I					
De La Soul - 3 Feet High and Rising		
Death Cab for Cutie - Transatlanticism		
Elliott Smith - XO	
Elvis Costello - This Year's Model	
Eric Clapton - Unplugged		
Eyehategod - Take as Needed for Pain
Game - The R.E.D. Album	
Gator (Soundtrack from the Motion Picture)	
Hybrid - Wide Angle	
Iron Maiden - Piece of Mind
Judas Priest - Rocka Rolla
K.Flay - Life as a Dog		
Kanye West - 808s & Heartbreak	
Kanye West - College Dropout	
Kraftwerk - Trans-Europe Express	
Kyuss - Blues for the Red Sun	
LCD Soundsystem - This Is Happening		
Led Zeppelin - Houses of the Holy 		
Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin		
Ludwig van Beethoven - Symphony No. 9 in D minor, Op. 125
Maps & Atlases - Tree, Swallows, Houses		
Max Richter - The Blue Notebooks
Meat Loaf - Bat Out of Hell		
Mew - No More Stories...
MF DOOM - Operation: Doomsday
Minus the Bear - Menos el Oso
Mobb Deep - The Infamous Mobb Deep
Modest Mouse - Moon & Antarctica		
Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds - Dig, Lazarus, Dig!!!
Pavement - Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain
Pete Yorn - Musicforthemorningafter
Red Hot Chili Peppers - By the Way	
Rush - Moving Pictures	
Stevie Wonder - Innervisions	
Ted Leo and the Pharmacists - Shake the Sheets
The Allman Brothers Band - At Fillmore East	
The Avalanches - Since I Left You
The Dillinger Escape Plan - Ire Works	
The Flaming Lips - Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots
The Jesus and Mary Chain - Stoned & Dethroned
The New Pornographers - Twin Cinema	
The Rolling Stones - Beggars Banquet		
The Smiths - Meat Is Murder		
The Strokes - Is This It	
The Zombies - Odessey and Oracle
Too Short - Gettin' It (Album Number Ten)	
UGK - Ridin' Dirty		
Vince Staples - Summertime '06	
Wu-Tang Clan - Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)

Spacebump posted:

It's hard for me to believe Marc is better than Pau. People forget how amazing Pau was in his prime. He has seasons with more winshares than Marc ever did in both Memphis and LA. Pau has the problem of playing during the golden age of power forwards. This causes people to underrate him. There is no shame in being worse than Dirk, Duncan, and KG.

Pau is a top __ player of all time? I would guess at least 50 but have never put much thought into the question.

Pau has the second most WS in draft slot #3 behind MJ:
http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/19657372/the-best-picks-every-nba-draft-slot

# ? Sep 4, 2017 01:01

Dutchy: Jul 8, 2010

Ghost Dog posted:

i think lavar owns but a substantially powerful basketball guru could sway my opinion

i feel like any hatred you have for him is just an ugly manifestation of ur inner old sportsdad coming out and you gotta whackamole that poo poo down

I'm not a basketball guru and am definitely an old sportsdad inside but i think he'd be way more interesting if he didn't know exactly what he's doing. like if he actually thought he could take MJ or whatever. but it's all too calculated and cynical to actually be entertaining imo.

plus i'm really angry about small-to-medium sized patches on jerseys selling me auto insurance so of course i'm resistant to a guy whose entire life is a marketing campaign.

# ? Sep 4, 2017 01:58

Cool Buff Man: Jul 30, 2006; bitch

euphronius posted:

Ben Gordon ? Tom Gordon ? Tom Gordon junior ?

Hayward at the League of Legends event.

# ? Sep 4, 2017 01:58

NickRoweFillea: Sep 27, 2012; doin thangs

Pau was crazy good and I reckon Memphis will retire his jersey when he hangs them up. He was the bright spot on our team for a very very long time.

# ? Sep 4, 2017 02:28

NickRoweFillea: Sep 27, 2012; doin thangs

the_american_dream posted:

I dont know if thats a shame really, those bully Memphis teams were awesome

You're drat right. I appreciate that we are trying to get with the modern NBA but watching Zbo and Marc put teams in the torture chamber with TA playing lockdown defense and Mike maturing into one of the best guards in the league (it's true, it's drat true) was so much fun to watch.

# ? Sep 4, 2017 02:32

Michael Transactions: Nov 11, 2013

Zogo posted:

From two years back:

code:

Name your favorite album:
								Votes
Space Jam: Music from and Inspired by the Motion Picture	5
Nas - Illmatic							4
Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy			3
Kendrick Lamar - good kid, m.A.A.d city				2
Marvin Gaye - What's Going On					2
My Bloody Valentine - Loveless					2
Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon				2

1 Vote:

2Pac - R U Still Down? (Remember Me)
AFI - Sing the Sorrow	
Alexisonfire - Watch Out!	
Bloc Party - Silent Alarm					
Blues Traveler - Travelers and Thieves		
Chvrches - The Bones of What You Believe
Daft Punk - Discovery 		
Dark Tranquility - The Mind's I					
De La Soul - 3 Feet High and Rising		
Death Cab for Cutie - Transatlanticism		
Elliott Smith - XO	
Elvis Costello - This Year's Model	
Eric Clapton - Unplugged		
Eyehategod - Take as Needed for Pain
Game - The R.E.D. Album	
Gator (Soundtrack from the Motion Picture)	
Hybrid - Wide Angle	
Iron Maiden - Piece of Mind
Judas Priest - Rocka Rolla
K.Flay - Life as a Dog		
Kanye West - 808s & Heartbreak	
Kanye West - College Dropout	
Kraftwerk - Trans-Europe Express	
Kyuss - Blues for the Red Sun	
LCD Soundsystem - This Is Happening		
Led Zeppelin - Houses of the Holy 		
Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin		
Ludwig van Beethoven - Symphony No. 9 in D minor, Op. 125
Maps & Atlases - Tree, Swallows, Houses		
Max Richter - The Blue Notebooks
Meat Loaf - Bat Out of Hell		
Mew - No More Stories...
MF DOOM - Operation: Doomsday
Minus the Bear - Menos el Oso
Mobb Deep - The Infamous Mobb Deep
Modest Mouse - Moon & Antarctica		
Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds - Dig, Lazarus, Dig!!!
Pavement - Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain
Pete Yorn - Musicforthemorningafter
Red Hot Chili Peppers - By the Way	
Rush - Moving Pictures	
Stevie Wonder - Innervisions	
Ted Leo and the Pharmacists - Shake the Sheets
The Allman Brothers Band - At Fillmore East	
The Avalanches - Since I Left You
The Dillinger Escape Plan - Ire Works	
The Flaming Lips - Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots
The Jesus and Mary Chain - Stoned & Dethroned
The New Pornographers - Twin Cinema	
The Rolling Stones - Beggars Banquet		
The Smiths - Meat Is Murder		
The Strokes - Is This It	
The Zombies - Odessey and Oracle
Too Short - Gettin' It (Album Number Ten)	
UGK - Ridin' Dirty		
Vince Staples - Summertime '06	
Wu-Tang Clan - Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)

No Kid A? Zuh?

# ? Sep 4, 2017 02:57

Henchman of Santa: Aug 21, 2010

Who picked Rocka Rolla of all possible Priest albums?

# ? Sep 4, 2017 03:02

Kibner: Oct 21, 2008; Acguy Supremacy

NickRoweFillea posted:

You're drat right. I appreciate that we are trying to get with the modern NBA but watching Zbo and Marc put teams in the torture chamber with TA playing lockdown defense and Mike maturing into one of the best guards in the league (it's true, it's drat true) was so much fun to watch.

They were the only rival SW Division team that I enjoyed watching. gently caress all those Texas teams.

# ? Sep 4, 2017 03:09

Time: Aug 1, 2011; It Was All A Dream

Kibner posted:

They were the only rival SW Division team that I enjoyed watching. gently caress all those Texas teams.

# ? Sep 4, 2017 03:14

the_american_dream: Apr 12, 2008; GAHDAMN

Surprising amount of Dadrock in that thing

# ? Sep 4, 2017 03:32

Michael Transactions: Nov 11, 2013

My favorite album is by the band Chvrches

# ? Sep 4, 2017 03:35

Cool Buff Man: Jul 30, 2006; bitch

Loveless is still my favorite... guess I was right about my favorite.

# ? Sep 4, 2017 03:48

de curry GOAT: Oct 23, 2005

i googled Death Cab for Cutie and now i hate the poster that voted for it

# ? Sep 4, 2017 03:53

Brogeoisie: Jan 12, 2005; "Look, I'm a private citizen," he said. "One thing that I don't have to do is sit here and open my kimono as it relates to how much money I make or didn't."

outside of like 3 albums really ages us, drat

# ? Sep 4, 2017 04:04

Redgrendel2001: Sep 1, 2006; you literally think a person saying their NBA team of choice being better than the fucking 76ers is a 'schtick'

a literal thing you think.

Innervisions is a work of musical genius you can all go gently caress yourselves

# ? Sep 4, 2017 04:18

EvanTH: Apr 24, 2004; i like to express my inner pain by being really boring on the phone
or just when i'm kickin it
that's me though
i'm kind of oddddddd