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Raskolnikov38 posted:I will never forget that one of the major proposals of the west wing White House was a tax deduction for college tuition that they then completely forgot about after Jed got reelected I'm pretty sure it was dumped during the government shutdown. They talked about it again after that.
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Sep 5, 2017 02:01
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:medicare for all is a neoliberal half measure over the real progressive platform of a national health service stfu, you disingenuous bad dem.
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Sep 5, 2017 02:02
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i don't know how I got my gang tag or what it means but I'm ok with a murder spree as long as wj is the first up against the wall.
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Sep 5, 2017 02:03
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nhs is better than medicare for all, really
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Sep 5, 2017 02:04
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:I don't know about you but I don't know why anyone would vote for that, because the lesser of two evils is still evil die die motherfucker
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Sep 5, 2017 02:04
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SKULL.GIF posted:as much as I'm not thrilled about kamala harris I think a lot of the leftists would just grit their teeth and vote for her. she's much more palatable than clinton. kirsten gillibrand is also another candidate that the clinton wing would embrace, and she's been fighting to reposition herself as staunchly anti-trump and taking as many leftist positions as she reasonably can (israel BDS aside) -- also an advocate of single-payer and raising the minimum wage Honest question - why? Policy wise they're not very different, and the recent vocal support for stuff like MfA or $15/hr minimum wage was in response to the election and the feeling that taking such positions is necessary; I have little doubt that folks like Harrison or Gillibrand wouldn't have expressed those views otherwise. Even Hillary had already technically shifted her policy on the latter of the aforementioned things, and if she runs again (which I doubt, fortunately) she'd probably also shift it on the former if the other centrist candidates were doing so. I doubt there would actually be much of practical difference between those three politicians if they were elected president. SKULL.GIF posted:was just posting about this in the trump thread but candidates like randy bryce/nina turner/keith ellison, or hell, even al franken, would be great over the clipped and sculpted corporate suits that the democrats keep on delivering us This is using a pretty weird definition of leftist. I haven't seen anything to indicate that either Randy Bryce or Keith Ellison are anything more than left-liberals (and honestly the former seems to have kinda incoherent political views), and while that's certainly a heck of a lot better than the Democratic mainstream, I'm not sure how I feel about watering down the definition of "leftist" like that. Ytlaya has issued a correction as of 02:12 on Sep 5, 2017 |
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Sep 5, 2017 02:06
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Ytlaya posted:Honest question - why? Policy wise they're not very different, and the recent vocal support for stuff like MfA or $15/hr minimum wage was in response to the election and the feeling that taking such positions is necessary; I have little doubt that folks like Harrison or Gillibrand wouldn't have expressed those views otherwise. Even Hillary had already technically shifted her policy on the latter of the aforementioned things, and if she runs again (which I doubt, fortunately) she'd probably also shift it on the latter if the other centrist candidates were doing so. That the thing about these bad dems, they any adopt positions like $15 minimum wage or medicare for all due to winds shifting. They have no heartfelt belief or history of supporting such views, This can be contrasted to Bernie who has always been a advocate for progressive ideals and constancy of action to back up his talking points such as engaging in union membership drives.
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Sep 5, 2017 02:11
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Darkman Fanpage posted:I'M STILL WITH HER *straps on suicide bomb vest*
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Sep 5, 2017 02:12
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We're all With Her down here
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Sep 5, 2017 02:19
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Someone make a Peter Daou as Pennywise photoshop to go with that, please
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Sep 5, 2017 02:20
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Luckily there's a safe free speech zone for Hill Folk in the D&D forums. Maybe would could direct Peter there?
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Sep 5, 2017 02:23
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checking 4 gangtag
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Sep 5, 2017 02:27
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anime was right posted:checking 4 gangtag rip
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Sep 5, 2017 02:27
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Nonsense posted:Bernie owns
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Sep 5, 2017 02:29
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Also: http://verr.it/ WHAT IS THIS
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Sep 5, 2017 02:30
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R. Mute posted:nhs is better than medicare for all, really  MFA is a half loaf, NHS is a full loaf
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Sep 5, 2017 02:32
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Concerned Citizen posted:the part that drives me nuts about this is the fact that she blames sanders for producing more appealing policies. like, well great you propose a policy to make college affordable, except your policy takes 45 minutes to explain and it's still difficult to figure out while bernie is just like "no more tuition" and you've got the gist of it. the problem is not that bernie's proposals are one-upping you, it's that basically any policy at all that can be comprehended by the average layman is more politically effective than a 10 page white paper that no one will ever read. i dunno, up to $17,500 in student loan forgiveness for startup entrepreneurs is pretty easy to understand
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Sep 5, 2017 02:32
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Barry Convex posted:also: how the gently caress did a random gay Instagram twink model/HRC personality cultist get advance access to her book, and why did he tweet only this Just wanna take this dude and smear him up with some mud and grime and wrestle with him like we used to do in the marines and show him how Bernie is superior
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Sep 5, 2017 02:34
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:medicare for all is a neoliberal half measure over the real progressive platform of a national health service Nah lol
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Sep 5, 2017 02:36
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white sauce posted:Just wanna take this dude and smear him up with some mud and grime and wrestle with him like we used to do in the marines and show him how Bernie is superior 
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Sep 5, 2017 02:38
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ThndrShk2k posted:Also: http://verr.it/ code:
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Sep 5, 2017 02:38
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Probably Magic posted:The whole loving point of campaigning in the primaries is to pander to the base, and she can't even "grasp" that. You need to remember that Hillary Clinton has no base. She won an election once, in the safest blue seat in the country, and that was explicitly given to her by the Democrats to prep her for a Presidential run. The political career of Hillary Clinton is entirely a creation of the Democratic establishment and their financial backers. Clinton literally owes the voters nothing.
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Sep 5, 2017 02:38
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R. Mute posted:nhs is better than medicare for all, really I'm cool with whichever doesn't charge me $100 to get a prescription refilled annually.
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Sep 5, 2017 02:41
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Guy Goodbody posted:You need to remember that Hillary Clinton has no base. She won an election once, in the safest blue seat in the country, and that was explicitly given to her by the Democrats to prep her for a Presidential run. The political career of Hillary Clinton is entirely a creation of the Democratic establishment and their financial backers. She also carpet bagged into the area which pissed off Ted Kennedy and started wearing NYC Yankees hats after carpetbagging into the district.
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Sep 5, 2017 02:43
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white sauce posted:Nah lol WJ's post is technically correct, but MFA is such a huge leap forward by itself that I'm ok with incrementalism in this case A good counterargument to incrementalism is that basically every progressive change to government is incrementalist; the key is to make the increments big enough that they're noticeable to the average person, because otherwise they don't last.
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Sep 5, 2017 02:45
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Rand alPaul posted:I'm cool with whichever doesn't charge me $100 to get a prescription refilled annually.
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Sep 5, 2017 02:45
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https://twitter.com/pixelatedboat/status/904883299318808576
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Sep 5, 2017 02:48
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R. Mute posted:healthcare has just been outlawed. hospitals are torn down. the sick are hunted for sport. prescriptions are free now but they're just a piece of paper telling you to run. ron paul has a permanent erection. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otFW-xb9J1U
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Sep 5, 2017 02:49
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:medicare for all is a neoliberal half measure over the real progressive platform of a national health service and Hillary can't even support that.
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Sep 5, 2017 02:50
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Sep 5, 2017 02:53
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nice
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Sep 5, 2017 02:55
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lol https://twitter.com/indiemusicfan0/status/904883651418234880
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Sep 5, 2017 02:58
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Theeee Aaaaalgooorrithmmmm 
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Sep 5, 2017 03:00
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I'm just killin' in OK City
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Sep 5, 2017 03:05
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respect are troops and they are kinks
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Sep 5, 2017 03:16
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Lastgirl posted:Theeee Aaaaalgooorrithmmmm Also by this event Dread Abuela showed she was pro-gun and pro-death penalty to the crowd.
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Sep 5, 2017 03:17
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white sauce posted:Nah lol hell even thatcher's britain had a nhs so like let's not go crazy trying to polish a turd
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Sep 5, 2017 03:23
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we're gonna hire all the best, brightest and most beautiful coastal elites for our campaign and then they're going to spend the entire length of the campaign stabbing each other in the back to gain favor with the khaleesi hillary
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i mean hey, bernie would have won and all, but jesus christ progressive is just a euphemism for liberal
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