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EBB: Feb 15, 2005

I mean if you only get to user your arsenal once you might as well use all of it

# ? Sep 5, 2017 00:31

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# ? Jun 7, 2024 23:35

FrozenVent: May 1, 2009; The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

Flikken posted:

I thought the point of SIOP was to prevent that sort of over targeting?

No it was to make sure USAF asset A didn't nuke Navy asset Y. The over targeting was a feature - there were some random bridges in rear end nowhere Siberia that were eating a couple of nukes for good measures.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 00:33

BigDave: Jul 14, 2009; Taste the High Country

A reminder that this exists: http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

http://nuclearsecrecy.com/missilemap/

If Toyko eats a nuke, it won't even reach Yokohama.

If Pyongyang gets hit with a W-83, though, it's basically off the map.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 00:51

Untagged: Mar 29, 2004; Hey, does your planet have wiper fluid yet or you gonna freak out and start worshiping us?

psydude posted:

If memory serves, a breath test is not admissible in court proceedings. In that case, wouldn't it be best to just refuse the blood test?

Preliminary breath test... the PBT on the side of the road. Not the big machine test back at the station. That's the one you are generally required to take, or if not get charged with refusal of the test - which can then be used as evidence against you in a DUI trial.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 00:56

PookBear: Nov 1, 2008

watch trump nuke korea and have his approval ratings go up lol

# ? Sep 5, 2017 01:02

FrozenVent: May 1, 2009; The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

45 ACP CURES NAZIS posted:

watch trump nuke korea and have his approval ratings go up lol

Most of his support comes from the parts of the US with nothing worth nuking so... yeah.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 01:08

Diarrhea Elemental: Apr 2, 2012; Am I correct in my assumption, you fish-faced enemy of the people?

68 nukes on a single target in Moscow, hmm... The Kremlin?

Just imagine there being a couple minutes between each hit. You're in one of the most secure places on Earth designed to shrug off direct nuclear strikes. You're perfectly safe and sound to ride out the nuclear winter and your descendants will raise the hammer and sickle over blasted lands in the four corners of the world.

BOOM. It's almost a relief, you knew some would manage to get through, but the bunker complex's lights don't even flicker. But every few minutes, another BOOM and the earth shakes a little bit more.

An entire hour stuck in that bunker like a rat in a box with the fist of an vengeful and unforgiving God hammering BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, like the metronome of the apocalypse.

Imagine how many Commies would've ate a 7.62x25 Tokarev before the hour was out, much less before 68 nukes cracked that bunker open like a rusted can under a sledgehammer.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 01:12

EBB: Feb 15, 2005

Diarrhea Elemental posted:

68 nukes on a single target in Moscow, hmm... The Kremlin?

Just imagine there being a couple minutes between each hit. You're in one of the most secure places on Earth designed to shrug off direct nuclear strikes. You're perfectly safe and sound to ride out the nuclear winter and your descendants will raise the hammer and sickle over blasted lands in the four corners of the world.

BOOM. It's almost a relief, you knew some would manage to get through, but the bunker complex's lights don't even flicker. But every few minutes, another BOOM and the earth shakes a little bit more.

An entire hour stuck in that bunker like a rat in a box with the fist of an vengeful and unforgiving God hammering BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, like the metronome of the apocalypse.

Imagine how many Commies would've ate a 7.62x25 Tokarev before the hour was out, much less before 68 nukes cracked that bunker open like a rusted can under a sledgehammer.

I have the weirdest erection right now

# ? Sep 5, 2017 01:23

Wingnut Ninja: Jan 11, 2003; Mostly Harmless

Diarrhea Elemental posted:

68 nukes on a single target in Moscow, hmm... The Kremlin?

Just imagine there being a couple minutes between each hit. You're in one of the most secure places on Earth designed to shrug off direct nuclear strikes. You're perfectly safe and sound to ride out the nuclear winter and your descendants will raise the hammer and sickle over blasted lands in the four corners of the world.

BOOM. It's almost a relief, you knew some would manage to get through, but the bunker complex's lights don't even flicker. But every few minutes, another BOOM and the earth shakes a little bit more.

An entire hour stuck in that bunker like a rat in a box with the fist of an vengeful and unforgiving God hammering BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, like the metronome of the apocalypse.

Imagine how many Commies would've ate a 7.62x25 Tokarev before the hour was out, much less before 68 nukes cracked that bunker open like a rusted can under a sledgehammer.

I think the idea was more that each individual weapon has X% chance of successfully getting through; combine the probability that the thing will launch in the first place, that it will guide correctly, that the warhead will arm, that it won't get intercepted by your defenses, etc... If you want to be reasonably sure of getting your target, you use 3 or 4 nukes. If you want to have an extremely high confidence, you use 10 or so. If it absolutely, positively has to be turned into a glowing crater, I guess you assign 68.

So you're sitting in your bunker, watching the early warning trackers... here and there a line terminates as a missile fails in flight, or a bomber gets shot down... but there are a hell of a lot of lines, and they keep getting closer, and even with the rate at which they're dropping out, a lot of them sure look like they're going to arrive...

# ? Sep 5, 2017 01:49

Smiling Jack: Dec 2, 2001; I sucked a dick for bus fare and then I walked home.

Don-2N radar site in Moscow in case anyone was wondering.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 01:53

M_Gargantua: Oct 16, 2006; STOMP'N ON INTO THE POWERLINES; Exciting Lemon

Kazinsal posted:

Y'all are going to be drinking fifths of Jack with Lucifer and I'm going to be stuck here in post-nuclear societal collapse.

Write it all down of the chrome scavengers to make legends from

# ? Sep 5, 2017 01:58

Flikken: Oct 23, 2009; 10,363 snaps and not a playoff win to show for it

Smiling Jack posted:

Don-2N radar site in Moscow in case anyone was wondering.

Where can you get declassified copies of SIOPs?

# ? Sep 5, 2017 01:58

M_Gargantua: Oct 16, 2006; STOMP'N ON INTO THE POWERLINES; Exciting Lemon

Smiling Jack posted:

Don-2N radar site in Moscow in case anyone was wondering.

"Under the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty both the United States and the Soviet Union had to designate one area to protect from missile attack. The USA chose North Dakota and the Soviet Union chose Moscow"

I think North Dakota is a much bigger area than moscow and it was still a dumb choice. Good job Carter.

Also looking at the Don-2N I feel like thats the kinda place hypersonic cruise was invented for

Or just regular modern TLAM-E's launched from Scandinavia or Germany

# ? Sep 5, 2017 02:06

RFC2324: Jun 7, 2012; http 418

M_Gargantua posted:

"Under the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty both the United States and the Soviet Union had to designate one area to protect from missile attack. The USA chose North Dakota and the Soviet Union chose Moscow"

I think North Dakota is a much bigger area than moscow and it was still a dumb choice. Good job Carter.

Also looking at the Don-2N I feel like thats the kinda place hypersonic cruise was invented for

Or just regular modern TLAM-E's launched from Scandinavia or Germany

Jesus. looking at the Don-2N i suddenly understand why we targeted it with 68 loving nukes

# ? Sep 5, 2017 02:08

Smiling Jack: Dec 2, 2001; I sucked a dick for bus fare and then I walked home.

Flikken posted:

Where can you get declassified copies of SIOPs?

Wikipedia apparently who knew

# ? Sep 5, 2017 02:09

EBB: Feb 15, 2005

Flikken posted:

Where can you get declassified copies of SIOPs?

You can google for them but they're heavily redacted.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 02:13

LostCosmonaut: Feb 15, 2014

Now is as good a time as any to post Sprint.mp4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msXtgTVMcuA

And I might as well mention Sprint's crazier cousin: http://www.astronautix.com/h/hibex.html

quote:

HIBEX was designed for low level intercept of entry vehicles below 3 km altitude within 2 seconds of launch. Hibex' neutron-generating warhead would disable the fissile core of the incoming enemy re-entry vehicle. It would also kill all living things within a 5 km radius of detonation.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 02:44

hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

M_Gargantua posted:

"Under the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty both the United States and the Soviet Union had to designate one area to protect from missile attack. The USA chose North Dakota and the Soviet Union chose Moscow"

I think North Dakota is a much bigger area than moscow and it was still a dumb choice. Good job Carter.

Also looking at the Don-2N I feel like thats the kinda place hypersonic cruise was invented for

Or just regular modern TLAM-E's launched from Scandinavia or Germany

Of course the answer to "What could possibly justify 68 nukes?" is "Long range defense radar"

As for the Dakotas... Minot AFB has to be some sizable percentage of the US's nuclear firepower. Theres a lot of game theory behind that choice I'm sure.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 03:18

Xenoborg: Mar 10, 2007

hobbesmaster posted:

Of course the answer to "What could possibly justify 68 nukes?" is "Long range defense radar"

As for the Dakotas... Minot AFB has to be some sizable percentage of the US's nuclear firepower. Theres a lot of game theory behind that choice I'm sure.

Minot has 100% of B52 nukes so that plus the few B2s at Whiteman are a full third of the nuclear trinity.

It was also to cover the ICBM silos around grand forks. Definitely for preserving a second strike threat.

Edit: there were other B52 nuke bases and other nuke planes back in the 1970s though.

Xenoborg fucked around with this message at 03:25 on Sep 5, 2017

# ? Sep 5, 2017 03:21

Dead Reckoning: Sep 13, 2011

Eh, most of the other CONUS targets that you would want to defend with a higher priority are next to the coast, which leaves them way too vulnerable to non-ICBM delivery systems for our one ABM system to be a worthwhile investment.

tastefully arranged labia posted:

You can google for them but they're heavily redacted.

I'm imagining a huge target list, meticulously blacked out with a sharpie, except for the addresses of the dachas of every senior member of the Politburo.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 03:29

Radical 90s Wizard: Aug 5, 2008; ~SS-18 burning bright,
Bathe me in your cleansing light~

I just cannot for the life of me understand getting all the way to 68 NUKES(!!) and not just adding one more :shrug:

PS. what's uh NZ's nuke situation? I always figured we'd be sweet but I have a vague idea that I read somewhere that someone had a couple saved for us purely out of spite.

e]Probably France, as some kind of final gently caress You over the Rainbow Warrior

Radical 90s Wizard fucked around with this message at 03:53 on Sep 5, 2017

# ? Sep 5, 2017 03:51

BigDave: Jul 14, 2009; Taste the High Country

Radical 90s Wizard posted:

I just cannot for the life of me understand getting all the way to 68 NUKES(!!) and not just adding one more

PS. what's uh NZ's nuke situation? I always figured we'd be sweet but I have a vague idea that I read somewhere that someone had a couple saved for us purely out of spite.

e]Probably France, as some kind of final gently caress You over the Rainbow Warrior

No direct hits, but gets eaten alive by radioactive fallout.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 03:56

Dead Reckoning: Sep 13, 2011

If we're talking late Cold War full exchange, I'd assume every deep water port and runway capable of supporting strategic aircraft in allied countries is getting a warhead in order to deny the enemy force reconstitution. New Zealand is a self-declared nuclear free zone, but I'd guess that will save you as much as it will save Berkeley.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 03:56

Comrade Blyatlov: Aug 4, 2007; should have picked four fingers

Yeah I can't see Russia refusing to nuke us because we are nuclear free, but I have an excuse to post nz's jack booted thugs again!

quote:

Later, in January 1978, the while escorting the United States Navy Thresher-class submarine Pintado into Auckland harbour, Waikato faced an armada of anti-nuclear protest yachts, which attempted to block the passage of the possibly nuclear-armed and certainly nuclear-powered submarine. Waikato ran into the harbour ahead of Pintado, with Waikato's Wasp helicopter and another RNZN Wasp in company, deployed over the protest yachts to create downdraft which destabilised the protest yachts, and tipped several over in a controversial move which secured the rapid passage of Pintado to its berth.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 04:07

Immanentized: Mar 17, 2009

So like is Houston just out of the news cycle just like that? Figure a major metro getting so thoroughly wrecked would have some staying power in the headlines.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 04:12

Dead Reckoning: Sep 13, 2011

Most of the flooded areas are no longer under water, and "grueling rebuilding process" doesn't generate a lot of clicks, not when there's another potentially devastating hurricane to salivate and speculate over.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 04:16

Arc Light: Sep 26, 2013

Two Finger posted:

Yeah I can't see Russia refusing to nuke us because we are nuclear free, but I have an excuse to post nz's jack booted thugs again!

This owns.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 04:16

FrozenVent: May 1, 2009; The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

Immanentized posted:

So like is Houston just out of the news cycle just like that? Figure a major metro getting so thoroughly wrecked would have some staying power in the headlines.

It's 2017.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 04:17

Godholio: Aug 28, 2002; Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

If we nuked Pyongyang it would probably only have about 6 days as a top story.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 04:30

Nostalgia4Butts: Jun 1, 2006; WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

Immanentized posted:

So like is Houston just out of the news cycle just like that? Figure a major metro getting so thoroughly wrecked would have some staying power in the headlines.

welcome to the post-trump newscycle

# ? Sep 5, 2017 04:44

Duke Chin: Jan 11, 2002; _{^{Roger That:}}
MILK CRATES INBOUND

_{_{^{- FUCK THE HABS -}}}

Two Finger posted:

Yeah I can't see Russia refusing to nuke us because we are nuclear free, but I have an excuse to post nz's jack booted thugs again!

That's hilarious, A Dick Move and problem-solving all wrapped up in to one tidy little package. :golfclap:

Godholio posted:

If we nuked Pyongyang it would probably only have about 6 days as a top story.

I'm setting the over/under at 8 days.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 05:17

Third World Reagan: May 19, 2008; Imagine four 'mechs waiting in a queue. Time works the same way.

Immanentized posted:

So like is Houston just out of the news cycle just like that? Figure a major metro getting so thoroughly wrecked would have some staying power in the headlines.

the news has like 2 or 3 stories it can write at any given time since the consumer base has a short attention span

this has been true since well, like 20 or 30 years

also here have this
http://google.org/crisismap/2017-harvey

# ? Sep 5, 2017 05:41

RFC2324: Jun 7, 2012; http 418

Radical 90s Wizard posted:

I just cannot for the life of me understand getting all the way to 68 NUKES(!!) and not just adding one more

68 is better than 69.

you blow me and I'll owe you one.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 06:00

Blind Rasputin: Nov 25, 2002; Farewell, good Hunter. May you find your worth in the waking world.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/904940773707325440

This just popped up all over Twitter. :stare:

# ? Sep 5, 2017 06:36

Comrade Blyatlov: Aug 4, 2007; should have picked four fingers

All hail ss-18 satan

# ? Sep 5, 2017 06:40

hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

Two Finger posted:

All hail ss-18 satan

Taepodong just doesn't have the same ring to it.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 06:56

Dead Reckoning: Sep 13, 2011

Taepodong.cx

# ? Sep 5, 2017 07:08

Spacman: Mar 18, 2014

RFC2324 posted:

Jesus. looking at the Don-2N i suddenly understand why we targeted it with 68 loving nukes

Yeah it controls 68 ABMs ringed round Moscow. Make it expend them protecting itself so when it's time for megadeaths nothing stops the next wave of 30 going after the civilians.

E: I'd have expected it to be 69 though. 68 to make it expend it's ABMs and one to hit the now useless site because gently caress you, that's why. Also, what self respecting military service member would stop at 68?

Spacman fucked around with this message at 07:26 on Sep 5, 2017

# ? Sep 5, 2017 07:17

Milo and POTUS: Sep 3, 2017; I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

Blind Rasputin posted:

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/904940773707325440

This just popped up all over Twitter.

This might really happen, isn't it.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 07:30

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# ? Jun 7, 2024 23:35

facialimpediment: Feb 11, 2005; as the world turns

Milo and POTUS posted:

This might really happen, isn't it.

Probably Saturday.

Best Korea celebrates its founding day on September 9th, it's a big holiday, and they tend to do a lot of tests and poo poo on that day as part of the celebration.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 07:48

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