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i don't know why these liberals keep talking up their sub-living wage $15/hr plan like it's supposed to impress anyone
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Trolling is a disease, seek help
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Gene Hackman Fan posted:did somebody say thatcher? cause there's an eric andre moment for that: punk rebel ecks has issued a correction as of 05:17 on Sep 5, 2017 |
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Frijolero posted:Trolling is a disease, seek help So is being a left com. Either way, WJ need's a strong healthcare system to get the help he needs.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:i don't know why these liberals keep talking up their sub-living wage $15/hr plan like it's supposed to impress anyone Actually kinda agree here that it can't hurt for leftists to continue to shift the goalposts to the left when the Democrats are forced to move to the left. There needs to be a bunch of people pushing for something further to the left so the Democrats are forced to continue moving leftward to compromise. Of course, we shouldn't oppose the fact that candidates are supporting stuff like the $15/hr minimum wage, but it's still good to aim higher. A big thing that comes to mind that isn't currently a big part of political discourse is just improving the money people receive from things like unemployment or whatever the welfare is called that people receive when they have children. It's not adequate to only focus on people who are employed.
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 NOWwhen centrists capitulate and start agreeing, say 25 now
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Ytlaya posted:A big thing that comes to mind that isn't currently a big part of political discourse is just improving the money people receive from things like unemployment or whatever the welfare is called that people receive when they have children. It's not adequate to only focus on people who are employed. Agreed. It may be easier to slip those things on to other progressive legislation as amendments. The people and the representatives still focus too much on a bill title rather than substance. Single payer healthcare and free childcare were discussed. Those would help regardless of employment status. Paid family leave would also help working families with kids.
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etalian posted:While she collects wall street paychecks Bernie is out at the picket line or at $15 wage rallies. While Bernie was busting his rear end campaigning on her behalf, lazy crooked Hillary was lying comatose in a guarded compound - and this is the thanks he gets! Sad!
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:i mean hey, bernie would have won and all, but jesus christ progressive is just a euphemism for liberal Arguably, yes, if we talk "proper" definitions, but in reality liberal has become synonymous with third way at best, new right at worst so as a label it has become political poison.
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Oh, and some people are floating UBI in the US. That could help unemployed families without losing many people to crab mentality. What sort of programs were you thinking about for the unemployed? E: you mentioned unemployment or similar for folks with dependents One issue I hear is that it can be hard to prove eligibility, and there may be duration restrictions. And it doesn't scale with income, so if you get some low paying/part time work it could make you ineligible, even if that income is less than the unemployment payment. It seems like many states structure unemployment in bad ways. I did not do any research into this myself, so I dunno. Corky Romanovsky has issued a correction as of 07:21 on Sep 5, 2017 |
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Corky Romanovsky posted:Oh, and some people are floating UBI in the US. That could help unemployed families without losing many people to crab mentality. keith! https://twitter.com/keithellison/status/898307043282628608
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Corky Romanovsky posted:Oh, and some people are floating UBI in the US. That could help unemployed families without losing many people to crab mentality. What concerns me about UBI is that it's difficult to tell what sort of UBI people are talking about if they're not explicit. Like, it's entirely possible some people are referring to a sub-living wage UBI and would gut social services in exchange. Regarding specific programs, I don't really know. But even stuff as simple as "give people more money than you're currently giving them" is good. Extend the time people can receive unemployment (I imagine there's no reason not to just make it indefinite) and pay them more. Or some sort of UBI could also accomplish that goal. Yet another thing that comes to mind that's often missing from discourse is the idea of dramatically increasing effective tax rates on the wealthy. People talk about "making the wealthy pay their fair share" and making small increases (like Hillary's 5% or whatever), but people need to be discussing more dramatically jacking up their taxes and possibly adding a wealth tax as well. Unwillingness to drastically increase taxes on the wealthy is one of the Democrats'/liberals' most indefensible positions, because there's literally no way to defend it without resorting to what is effectively trickle-down economics. Like, they can make excuses about the cost and difficulty of implementation for stuff like UHC, but there's no reasonable excuse for not just increasing taxation on the wealthy.
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holu poo poo yes
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Gene Hackman Fan posted:wj's opinions are 95% the same as neera's, including the opinion that when one changes their mind to act as if the new opinion was Always How They Thought
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Hey I stole that from chapo reddit and now you stole it from me what gives
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ScrubLeague posted:Hey I stole that from chapo reddit and now you stole it from me what gives its mine now 
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Barry Convex posted:oh god Sally Albright may have been right
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*media focuses on empty trump podiums and ignores the candidate with the largest crowds by far*
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ScrubLeague posted:Hey I stole that from chapo reddit and now you stole it from me what gives You didn't make this!
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the means aint been seized
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Hahahaha, the best thing she could say about her husband was he gave a balanced budget
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Open to them your hand to the shore, watch them walk into the sea. Press upon them all they need, see them yearn for all they want. Gift to them the calm pool of words, watch them drove the sword. Bless upon them the satiation of peace, see them starve from war. Grant them darkness and they will lust for light. Deliver to them death and hear them beg for life. Beget life and they will murder your kin. Be as they are and they will see you different. Show wisdom and you are a fool The shore gives way to the sea And the sea, my friend, Does not dream of you.
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ah yes the democrats are surely channeling the memory of FDR with their Better Deal
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Frijolero posted:The Master Orator at work: Is it any wonder that Obama would praise a woman who dedicated her career to breaking organized labor and handling massive amounts of the government fuctions to private sector vultures?
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lmao, New Democrats like Basic Bitch Clinton basically shat on the legacy of FDR and LBJ by adopting republican policies. Also a balanced budget is a dumb fiscal accomplishment.
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etalian posted:
I can imagine that the first draft was proud about repealing Glass Steagal or maybe Bosnia
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just lmao at having a billion dollars thrown at you and still acting like you were wronged
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gradenko_2000 posted:I can imagine that the first draft was proud about repealing Glass Steagal it was the genocide in iraq she was most proud of
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