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Fister Roboto posted:And all of that could have been avoided if your brother hadn't been an idiot who actively chose not to equip goad. Cool, had a reason why he couldn't say it before the tank threw a hissy fit and booted so you fall back to "no you're just dumb". I see why you're the new belzac 
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lol ok broLeal posted:E: Oh and my brother took goad off his hotbar because almost no one in DF actually needs it.
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Sep 5, 2017 05:15
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That tank was a huge baby, but everyone is coming out of that scenario looking kind of dumb. There's seriously no reason not to pack Goad on the classes that can take it. There are not any competing choices worth a drat.
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Sep 5, 2017 05:17
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the extent of my goad-griping is just saying 'goad plz' if i'm tanking and have a melee dps, but yeah there is zero reason to not have goad slotted 24/7. even if you're doing solo content.
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Sep 5, 2017 05:21
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Take that greed lineup of True North, Crutch, Arm's Length, Second Wind, and Bloodbath Then tell people they need to goad you.
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Sep 5, 2017 05:24
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I use Bloodbath, Second Wind, True North, Invigorate, Leg Sweep for solo stuff and sometimes I forget to replace Second Wind with Goad in dungeons. Especially since a lot of times you don't get a second physical DPS and a lot of tanks don't spam aoe or are DRKs.
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Sep 5, 2017 05:28
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WrightOfWay posted:I use Bloodbath, Second Wind, True North, Invigorate, Leg Sweep for solo stuff and sometimes I forget to replace Second Wind with Goad in dungeons. Especially since a lot of times you don't get a second physical DPS and a lot of tanks don't spam aoe or are DRKs. PLDs also don't have much for TP issues. It's really only WARs who have TP issues from aoe threat.
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Sep 5, 2017 05:34
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I give goad to everyone but nobody ever gives me goad no good deed goes unpunished
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Sep 5, 2017 05:43
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I had a DRK today in Aurum Vale who just would not complaining about how slow we were going. They were absolutely being an rear end about it*, but it still really put a sour note on things. Like, I don't know what he was expecting from us. I was a 48 NIN with crappy levelling gear, the other DPS was a BRD, and I was still trying to get used to having all 3 mudras to play with. Like, is there anything other than Doton, Katon, Death Blossom spam I could've been doing for big pulls? Oh yeah, and he asked (in the middle of a boss fight) if either of us had any skills to refresh the healer's mana. Sooo...  edit: oh, BRD actually does have an MP-refresher. Well, still. *(paraphrasing, but after the last boss) DRK: running this dungeon took so long I got old DRK: which of you is going to pay for the nursing home I'm going to need [DRK] slaps you. ...and then he left the instance. 
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Sep 5, 2017 05:50
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A 50S RAYGUN posted:the extent of my goad-griping is just saying 'goad plz' if i'm tanking and have a melee dps, but yeah there is zero reason to not have goad slotted 24/7. even if you're doing solo content. I took goad off my bar as a SAM because no one else goads me when applicable and goading the tank just makes them pull more when I'm the one running on fumes most of the time. I'll put it back on when I get goaded and not a pull before 
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Sep 5, 2017 06:02
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You know I played WoW for like 8 goddamn years, but I swear I've seen more goddamn puns and references in these quest names in the week I've played than I ever had in WoW. I don't know whether to be disgusted or amazed
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Sep 5, 2017 06:04
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Primadonna tanks night I guess. If I get a group that isn't performing to par I just adjust my pace, if I'm running low on TP I just spin 2 win less. Having a good whinge at people you'll probably never see again is dumb. I'm sure as gently caress not going to get mad about poo poo in a dungeon.
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Sep 5, 2017 06:06
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Bolow posted:You know I played WoW for like 8 goddamn years, but I swear I've seen more goddamn puns and references in these quest names in the week I've played than I ever had in WoW. It doesn't stop. It never stops. Which is kind of great, actually.
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Sep 5, 2017 06:08
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Bolow posted:You know I played WoW for like 8 goddamn years, but I swear I've seen more goddamn puns and references in these quest names in the week I've played than I ever had in WoW. One thing you won't miss: Metzen's writing.
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Bolow posted:You know I played WoW for like 8 goddamn years, but I swear I've seen more goddamn puns and references in these quest names in the week I've played than I ever had in WoW. It's not just you, they layered on the quest puns super thick in Stormblood to the point where if there wasn't a pun in the quest name, it would be a song quote or something. No, really. A good number of the quest names are apparently based off of lyrical quotes from Hamilton.
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Bolow posted:You know I played WoW for like 8 goddamn years, but I swear I've seen more goddamn puns and references in these quest names in the week I've played than I ever had in WoW. the constant puns are basically a defining feature of this game
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SL the Pyro posted:It's not just you, they layered on the quest puns super thick in Stormblood to the point where if there wasn't a pun in the quest name, it would be a song quote or something. Oh, it happens MULTIPLE times.  I think my running tally hit five, but I forgot to write down which ones. I would post the compilation images, but really, it's best to groan as you come across them. SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 06:15 on Sep 5, 2017 |
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hobbesmaster posted:50-60 are a little lackluster compared to 30-50 and 60-70. The 70 quest is fantastic though. 60-70 quests wrap up quite a few loose ends. Also, their attentions to details are awesome, like (lvl 68 quest spoiler) When you go back to the bonfire after you completed the quest 
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Sep 5, 2017 06:17
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I take goad cause what else am I gonna take, but the occasion in random DF groups that I actually see someone that needs it is so rare I'm not gonna blame someone for doing something else.
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Sep 5, 2017 06:31
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i mostly leveled my dps using friends' tank queues, so i can't really imagine a tank not spamming aoe. i love tanking exdr because i can do like seven decimates in a row and then overpower like ten more times.
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Sep 5, 2017 06:37
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Khisanth Magus posted:PLDs also don't have much for TP issues. It's really only WARs who have TP issues from aoe threat. When I run PLD and the dps party members aren't doing their AoEs I will eventually run out of TP from Total Eclipse spam. This happens more often than I'd like.
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Augus posted:no goad deed goes unpunished
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Sep 5, 2017 07:06
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Though to be fair, even though Goad is always on my own hotbar as dps I often forget to use it on the one guy out of every five or six dungeons who actually burns their TP bar appropriately.
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So what is the offtank supposed to do in Castrum Meridianum when I roll it on the main scenario roulette? Am I basically a slightly shittier DPS? I tried to pick up some of the adds during some of the bigger fights but the Warrior was already there and grabbed them. I'm going to admit since I grinded Dark Knight to 50 on the palace main tanking anything more than regular dungeons scares the poo poo out of me. I'm very glad when I get to offtank things, but when it's not just a boss I'm confused.
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Sep 5, 2017 07:15
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Offtanks are incredibly underused in encounter design in this game. I don't think any story mode has a tank swap for example.
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Xarbala posted:Probably oughta report that tank and healer duo for abusing the kick function. They don't do anything about that 9 times out of 10. They don't do anything to players posting racist poo poo in the PF either actually. The GMs don't do much.
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hobbesmaster posted:Offtanks are incredibly underused in encounter design in this game. I don't think any story mode has a tank swap for example. I think Square designs most main scenario content around the assumption that at least one of the tanks and one of the healers won't know what they're doing
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Flavahbeast posted:I think Square designs most main scenario content around the assumption that at least one of the tanks and one of the healers won't know what they're doing Unfortunately if there's a 50% chance of it you'll get 2 tanks or 2 healers that don't know what they're doing often.
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hobbesmaster posted:Offtanks are incredibly underused in encounter design in this game. I don't think any story mode has a tank swap for example. i think a tank swap is sadly a little bit beyond the amount of difficulty squenix wants to include in story content. most tank swaps are 'swap or die' and i'm sure it would do nothing but piss off a lot of people who don't understand why the boss oneshots them halfway through the fight. i think there really ought to be an introductory raid wing where it teaches you all about stuff that seems basic to internet readers but isn't obvious to head-in-the-sand players, things like shirking and when to reprisal and even when to use your cooldowns. as it is now, the game teaches you nothing about tanking beyond the existence of your enmity combo and that you should not lose aggro. this is a fine primer but doesn't hold up very well even in the later dungeons, to say nothing at all about doing the primals or raids.
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hobbesmaster posted:Offtanks are incredibly underused in encounter design in this game. I don't think any story mode has a tank swap for example. Before the cross class ability revamp, they had to design casual encounters around the fact that some tanks wouldn't even have provoke. Even now they have to design around the fact that some tanks might choose to be idiots and not have provoke or ultimatum slotted. It's still a complete mystery as to why they need to limit the number of role abilities you can have active.
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Fister Roboto posted:Before the cross class ability revamp, they had to design casual encounters around the fact that some tanks wouldn't even have provoke. Even now they have to design around the fact that some tanks might choose to be idiots and not have provoke or ultimatum slotted. ~~choices~~
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Sep 5, 2017 07:50
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the choice between whether or not your raid wipes because you picked the wrong cross-class
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Sep 5, 2017 07:53
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i think the vast majority of raids would wipe to raidwides without 2x reprisal, for example
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Sep 5, 2017 07:57
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Man I love having to remember to swap between provoke/shirk/reprisal and ultimatum/anticipation/awareness depending on whether I'm doing 8-person or 4-person content.
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Sep 5, 2017 09:02
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make role action swapping macros dumbocode:
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Fister Roboto posted:It's still a complete mystery as to why they need to limit the number of role abilities you can have active. Well they have to allow the people who play classes rather than jobs to have something going for them. 
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Ghost of Starman posted:I had a DRK today in Aurum Vale who just would not complaining about how slow we were going. They were absolutely being an rear end about it*, but it still really put a sour note on things. It's a stupid loving primadonna tank here. He should be thankful that you guys managed to beat pissvale to begin with, that place is absolute cancer. And if he knew anything about his own class, he'd know that MP regen skills don't even work on Dork Knights as long as Darkside is up (always be in Darkside). I bet he was using the wrong combo too, since the class gets a button that recovers a significant chunk of MP as part of their combo and it absolutely trumps any MP regen you get from another class.
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Sep 5, 2017 12:45
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I usually just req and holy spirit spam when out of TP on PLD but still please goad me if i'm low and a bunch of mobs are still up.
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I make a dps tank for 15 seconds and get called a literal game ruining player Literal game ruining tank sits during a trash pull over Goad and goons rush in to defend him? 
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I keep goad on my bars on most melee classes just so I can passive-aggressively put it on the BRD or PLD who insist on never using their TP even when there are like 5 mobs to hit.
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