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Independence Day 2: Resturgeonce | 44 | 21.36% | |
ScotPol - Unclustering this gently caress | 19 | 9.22% | |
Trainspotting 2: Independence is my heroin | 9 | 4.37% | |
Indyref II: Boris hosed a Dead Country | 14 | 6.80% | |
ScotPol: Wings over Bullshit | 8 | 3.88% | |
Independence 2: Cameron Lied, UK Died | 24 | 11.65% | |
Scotpol IV: I Vow To Flee My Country | 14 | 6.80% | |
ScotPol - A twice in a generation thread | 17 | 8.25% | |
ScotPol - Where Everything's hosed Up and the Referendums Don't Matter | 15 | 7.28% | |
ScotPol Thread: Dependence Referendum Incoming | 2 | 0.97% | |
Indyref II: The Scottish Insturgeoncy | 10 | 4.85% | |
ScotPol Thread: Act of European Union | 5 | 2.43% | |
ScotPol - Like Game of Thrones only we wish we would all die | 25 | 12.14% | |
Total: | 206 votes |
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Findlay or Rowley seem likely from the left, maybe Monica Lennon will have a punt if they want to play the gender angle, probably facing Sarwar from the right. Jackie "I love nukes" Baillie might also be in the running. Richard Leonard seems like a cool guy from what I've seen in Parliament, but he sounds English as gently caress and would face an uphill battle if it came to an election for First Minister. It's the Natalie Bennett problem. From what I'm hearing in the left, nobody actually forced her out,. but who knows really. More likely its the right trying to take the initiative behind a refreshed leader with a renewed mandate. Hope it backfires for them.
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# ? Aug 30, 2017 07:16 |
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# ? May 25, 2024 13:23 |
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forkboy84 posted:Well, The Graun's Scottish editor seems to think that "Corbynite" support will coalesce behind Anas Sarwar forkboy84 posted:Maybe Scottish labour could merge with the Greens & just appoint Patrick Harvie as leader.
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# ? Aug 30, 2017 07:50 |
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forkboy84 posted:Also wonder who is going to stand. Will Findlay run again? Alex Rowley? hosed if I know any other Labour MSPs. Well, The Graun's Scottish editor seems to think that "Corbynite" support will coalesce behind Anas Sarwar which is bewildering to me, but I'm not really plugged into Scottish Corbynite circles. And there's the simple reality that there's just a lower proportion of them in ScotLab compared to the rUK. Someone else has mentioned Richard Leonard who I'd honestly not heard of before. Maybe Scottish labour could merge with the Greens & just appoint Patrick Harvie as leader. Would unironicallly be behind the idea of Harvie as leader. Is anyone up on the various labour msps who have a shout? That there's no one who stands out and plenty of forgettable faces and performers isn't a great sign. Scottish Labour's had a problem with bland suits and trade union time servers for a long time, even more so than UK labour i think, so it's not a hugely inspiring pool to pick from
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# ? Aug 30, 2017 08:21 |
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Realistically, Richard Leonard is the only potential left-wing candidate. Findlay won't do it and Rowley would open up the Deputy Leadership, meaning that we'd need another candidate for that anyway. The only other left-wing MSP I'm aware of is Elaine Smith but she supported Brexit and is quite shaky on some social issues including abortion iirc.
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# ? Aug 30, 2017 12:02 |
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forkboy84 posted:Maybe Scottish labour could merge with the Greens & just appoint Patrick Harvie as leader. The Greens themselves would do better generally if they would just appoint Patrick Harvie leader.
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# ? Aug 30, 2017 12:14 |
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Aramoro posted:The Greens themselves would do better generally if they would just appoint Patrick Harvie leader. How would that change anything? Bearing in mind that under Harvie & Chapman they are now the 4th largest group at Holyrood.
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# ? Aug 30, 2017 12:43 |
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forkboy84 posted:How would that change anything? Bearing in mind that under Harvie & Chapman they are now the 4th largest group at Holyrood. Chapman has been proven to be divisive in the party with people refusing to campaign for her in her failed bid to become an MSP. It also adds to the feeling that the Greens are pulling in different directions quite often or have no clear leadership. I think it's a lot easier to credit Patrick Harvie with the increase in support for the Green at the last election, though perhaps Chapman does a lot behind the scenes.
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# ? Aug 30, 2017 13:42 |
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I've heard quite good things about Chapman. Why is she unpopular?
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# ? Aug 30, 2017 15:41 |
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Commonspace did a funny article on contenders for Scottish Labour leader My favourite parts are hard to choose between including Neil Findlay despite him categorically ruling himself out, or the fact that none of the 5 names bothered to respond to their request for a statement.
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# ? Aug 30, 2017 17:08 |
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cargohills posted:I've heard quite good things about Chapman. Why is she unpopular? Most people are neutral about her as they've got no idea who she is or even that Patrick Harvie isn't the party leader. She may have accidentally (or not) lied about having a Phd which caused a bit of a ruckus especially when they tried to purge the people that were refusing to campaign for her because of it.
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# ? Aug 30, 2017 17:20 |
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Alertrelic posted:The SNP are using it as a tool to attack him and it pretty much confirms that Dugdale et al would be governing us in the same way. Alertrelic posted:From what I'm hearing in the left, nobody actually forced her out,. but who knows really. More likely its the right trying to take the initiative behind a refreshed leader with a renewed mandate. i'm sure the labour right is just desperate to put another question to the membership (it's worked out for them so often before!) and they didn't really want that NEC majority anyway
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# ? Aug 30, 2017 18:40 |
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Nice change of pace from Rab this week https://twitter.com/ScotNational/status/902947123653697536
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# ? Aug 30, 2017 19:53 |
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Pissflaps posted:Nice change of pace from Rab this week loving disgrace that this man is published but no paper will print my columns written in authentic Tyke
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# ? Aug 30, 2017 20:28 |
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Pissflaps posted:Nice change of pace from Rab this week Lol that spoof account is still hitting it out the park. ( looks closer at username) oh.
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# ? Aug 30, 2017 22:08 |
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I loved Rowley's excuse -- he doesn't want to be First Minister. I'd have thought that being the leader of the Scottish Labour Party would have been a good choice for him there. It's a messy business this Scottish Labour and Dugdale's tenure is quite illustrative of this: despite being celebrated on the odd occasion when she stood up for personal principles, she was forced to tread a ridiculous line in the name of party unity, which saw her making repeated volte-faces and having to recant entirely sensible positions in favour of absolutist ones that the Party thought were more effective against the Nats. She's been credited with a Labour resurgence which doesn't exist -- the last election's successes were predicated by a fall in the SNP turnout. Antagonism from the CFS (Campaign for Socialism, local analogue to Momentum) has been credited for her downfall but it's more likely to be the actual personal reasons cited in doing this thankless task. Certainly CFS haven't successfully pushed their own candidate, whoever it is, as an alternative. Your man Leonard who has been cited as the left candidate must surely have been part of developing the recently-espoused policy which acknowledged the paradox of Holyrood's tax-raising powers whilst simultaneously using them to penalise the poor (i.e.: we will inflict the top rate of tax the SNP are afraid to and make up for the inevitable increase in tax evasion by the wealthy by increasing taxes for everyone else). Not a winner. I'd love to see a proper left candidate get in to support the Nationalists against the Tories whilst attacking them from the left but I can't see it happening. This being unlikely, let's hope Jackie Baillie becomes leader, as an illustration to the rest of Scottish Labour as to what they have become, and a precipitant of the purge which is long overdue.
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# ? Aug 31, 2017 12:53 |
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Kezia saying she was outed against her will now.
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# ? Aug 31, 2017 15:02 |
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Jedit posted:Kezia saying she was outed against her will now. Of course she is. God Scottish Labour is so garbage. I really wish they weren't but this is the lovely world we live in, where a decade on from their first humiliating loss at Holyrood they are still struggle to come to turns with no longer being the natural party of government in Scotland.
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# ? Aug 31, 2017 15:11 |
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forkboy84 posted:Of course she is. God Scottish Labour is so garbage. I really wish they weren't but this is the lovely world we live in, where a decade on from their first humiliating loss at Holyrood they are still struggle to come to turns with no longer being the natural party of government in Scotland. No Outed. Out the closet. Not from her job. e; not that either would surprise me.
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# ? Aug 31, 2017 15:26 |
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forkboy84 posted:B) honest mistake, I thought it said ousted as in from the leadership, not outed as in about her sexuality. Just wasn't paying attention, bit embarrassing. Cerv fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Aug 31, 2017 |
# ? Aug 31, 2017 15:58 |
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Cerv posted:sure, why not get on board with tabloid homophobia if it allows you another excuse to attack Labour A) This is stupid, I'm fully onboard the Corbyn bus, doesn't mean Scottish Labour doesn't have problems. B) honest mistake, I thought it said ousted as in from the leadership, not outed as in about her sexuality. Just wasn't paying attention, bit embarrassing. Yeah, someone outing Kez publicly after she asked them not to is not on.
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# ? Aug 31, 2017 16:01 |
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Good newsquote:Nicola Sturgeon will scrap the 1% cap on public sector pay rises when she sets out her legislative plans for the coming year, it is understood. Curious how it will be funded
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# ? Sep 3, 2017 21:29 |
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So here's a thing, Ruth Davidson has written an interesting article in Holyrood magazine, giving a pretty sharp and succinct critique of the SNP. It's a good article in the sense that it's clear, coherent and makes a narrowly compelling case, albeit one which requires some rather colossal caveats and glaring omissions (try ctrl+F "austerity" for instance). She makes some very valid points, particularly on failed and/or broken policy promises and manifesto commitments, and does so in a way which is, frankly, much better argued than most of what I've seen coming from Scottish Labour in the past n years. She also makes some terrible points, but that's a given - and any canny non-Tory could easily deploy her arguments to attack Tory policies and approaches (esp on mental health). Interestingly, the article is very governance-focused, and there's only passing mention of independence. It's Davidson proclaiming the Tories as the main opposition of course, but I think that it also provides a chink of light for Labour if it's taken as indicative of how Scottish political discourse is evolving. In the long run I think Labour have been the party who have been damaged most by the debate (and the votes) being oriented around the constitutional question, and the possibility of opening things up means an opportunity to develop a coherent-ish policy platform and message without getting too bogged down by independence. It's definitely worth reading the whole thing, especially if you want to find arguments and assertions to get annoyed at, but to give a sense of the better aspects of it: quote:Compared to 2007, the Scottish Government has significantly more powers at hand than it ever did before.
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# ? Sep 5, 2017 13:43 |
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Gotta say I'm liking these announcements. https://www.theguardian.com/comment...MP=share_btn_fb A national investment bank sounds fun.
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# ? Sep 5, 2017 19:31 |
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What is it about the SNP outflanking the Tories that you like the most, supposed socialist Coohoolin?
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# ? Sep 5, 2017 20:15 |
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Coohoolin posted:Gotta say I'm liking these announcements. It does sound interesting, but unfortunately a national investment bank isn't in the SNP's programme. Oddly, the article you linked to doesn't really cover any of the announced bills at all, offering only the most comically conspicuous propaganda. Case in point, the SNP's pisspoor record on education is blamed on, er, "teachers and the opposition." As for the bills themselves they seem pretty inoffensive, but they're also so self-evidently managerial that claiming them as "radical" seems almost parodic. It's all "targets" and "consultations" and "more engagement." It reads - and this seems intentional - as a programme of tweaks and adjustments to existing structures, all about things being "improved," "enhanced," made "clearer" and "simpler." So, basically, that Guardian article is a worthless piece of poo poo is what I'm saying. quote:At-a-glance: Scotland's legislative programme 2017-18
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# ? Sep 5, 2017 21:36 |
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Labour claim that SNP voted down public sector pay cap end is Mostly True, according to The Ferretquote:The First Minister has announced the Scottish Government’s plans for the next parliamentary session, known as the programme for government. In all honesty I suspect if the roles were reversed Labour (and the SNP) would be doing more or less exactly the same as the other is doing right now, but given how much of the SNP's support has come from disillusioned Labour voters it's important to chip away at the myth that the SNP are a) left wing, and b) different to other political parties
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# ? Sep 11, 2017 21:05 |
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forkboy84 posted:What is it about the SNP outflanking the Tories that you like the most, supposed socialist Coohoolin? you're surprised about a swiss person being excited over an investment bank?
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# ? Sep 12, 2017 01:44 |
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Is anybody at the rally in Glasgow today to celebrate three years since the independence referendum?
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# ? Sep 16, 2017 11:27 |
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I went to a demo in Glasgow last week and it was great because the group who were supposed to be organising it didn't turn up because they decided to go to someone else's thing earlier that day instead and didn't tell anyone. Top lads. 10/10 would be politically involved in Glasgow again.
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# ? Sep 16, 2017 11:36 |
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The pictures I've seen on social media suggest this one is much better organised. There's at least 200 people there, most wearing flags. One guy has bagpipes that blow fire.
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# ? Sep 16, 2017 11:38 |
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Pissflaps posted:One guy has bagpipes that blow fire.
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# ? Sep 16, 2017 11:50 |
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Freedom Square.
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# ? Sep 16, 2017 11:52 |
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Pissflaps posted:Freedom Square. I thought this was some dumb thing you'd made up to take the piss, but apparently, no, some people really are that cringy: quote:“Slight change of route after refusal by GCC to allow march to finish at freedom square or march would not be approved."
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# ? Sep 16, 2017 12:29 |
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Niric posted:some people really are that cringey People unironically buy the national
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# ? Sep 16, 2017 12:31 |
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jre posted:People unironically buy the national I enjoyed their recent photoshop cover of May's face onto Henry VIII.
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# ? Sep 16, 2017 14:48 |
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Coohoolin posted:I enjoyed their recent photoshop cover of May's face onto Henry VIII. It wasn't a Photoshop.
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# ? Sep 16, 2017 15:37 |
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Sorry but did someone say Bagpipes that blow fire?
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# ? Sep 16, 2017 20:25 |
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Extreme0 posted:Sorry but did someone say Bagpipes that blow fire? I dunno about this particular guy but there was a video doing the rounds a few years ago of an Australian punk playing AC/DC with flaming bagpipes. edit: this is it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgzZLNwqvdQ
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# ? Sep 16, 2017 20:48 |
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Something potentially interesting happening in Holyrood today: MSPs to debate income tax rise proposal (BBC), with Labour pushing for the SNP to "pick a side" (Holyrood magazine). Each party's starting position appears to be a very conscious attempt at broad political positioning, with everyone except the Tories and the SNP being explicitly in favour of some kind of tax rise. I think it's a smart move from Labour to force the debate, even if I doubt it'll have much serious impact on perceptions of parties or even policy. Also interesting to see the National pre-empting the debate by pushing the story that tax rises will just increase tax avoidance (I think Richard Murphy makes a good point, but he's also more balanced on the question of the rise than the National implies). Which suggests to me they want to give nationalists a get-out for siding with the Tories.
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# ? Sep 20, 2017 09:24 |
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# ? May 25, 2024 13:23 |
Quite looking forward to Sarwar winning so that Scottish Labour is even more irrelevant.
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# ? Sep 20, 2017 11:54 |