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i had to look up what technogizmo he was making fun of and to my surprise it was instagram
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mrmcd posted:I don't know why you'd terrify everyone by saying the old version is deprecated and while simultaneously launching the same thing with a different name. I guess some product person really wanted to underline the difference you don't have to remove much to make this about a huge set of google products
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Sep 10, 2017 04:43
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Sep 10, 2017 10:33
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Sep 10, 2017 10:38
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Sep 10, 2017 11:05
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my favourite part is how it decided I meant 'too' instead of 'to'
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Sep 10, 2017 11:51
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it's clearly trying to save you from salmonella or something
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Sep 10, 2017 15:10
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thought it was going to be a suicide joke at first
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Sep 10, 2017 18:48
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infernal machines posted:the joke is that this is actually worse. google has so few women in higher paying technical roles that it massively skews their their pay balance. its bad but the gender ratio just matches the gender ratio of comp sci graduates the real problem is women not enrolling in computer poo poo, probably because they get scared away by goons in high school
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Sep 10, 2017 21:11
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Perplx posted:its bad but the gender ratio just matches the gender ratio of comp sci graduates Yeah, if you actually ask women who were in CS education or careers and then left, it's almost always some combination of harassment, coworkers with lovely and sexist attitudes, and corporate cultures that reward people with no life outside of work. Maybe "beep boop video game computer for boys" marketing in the 80 kept lots of women from being steered into the funnel in the first place, but that doesn't change the fact engineers are often insufferable assholes.
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Sep 10, 2017 21:31
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Perplx posted:its bad but the gender ratio just matches the gender ratio of comp sci graduates or by goons in freshmen CS classes
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Sep 10, 2017 21:48
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Perplx posted:its bad but the gender ratio just matches the gender ratio of comp sci graduates it's actually both of the problems at once.
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read this https://www.wired.com/2017/05/cant-retain-women-dont-recruit/
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yeah, that statement about cs education is called the pipeline argument. you can see a technical career as a sort of pipe full of people, starting from early education and ending at, i dunno, becoming a universally-hailed technology leader and visionary and dying of ineffective fruit it is basically true that, statistically, at every point in that pipe there are more men than women. but it is also true that the ratio gets more and more skewed as you move along the pipe, i.e. that women are more likely to leave at every stage in their career. and that seems like pretty strong evidence to corroborate what you can hear by just, y'know, actually listening to women in the field, which is that (1) they get treated like poo poo, not all the time but enough to make them really second-guess whether they want to deal with this for the rest of their lives, and (2) they're consistently held to higher standards than their peers just because they're women (which has been repeatedly experimentally verified), and (3) they tend to get pressured into less and less technical roles, with a fairly typical route being that there's some administrative / managerial problem that needs to be solved but which nobody else is willing to do, and then they get asked to keep doing similar work, and none of that is seen as a technical contribution so they get quickly stereotyped as a non-technical figure who's basically peripheral to the success of the project also, the ratios at many points in the pipeline have gotten steadily worse over the last forty years, so
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Sep 11, 2017 05:43
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Perplx posted:its bad but the gender ratio just matches the gender ratio of comp sci graduates nah, a lot of the women who do get comp sci degrees and get hired for tech jobs still end up leaving the industry after a few years lovely co-workers and lovely bosses are a thousand times worse than lovely classmates, and the lovely corporate culture that protects them all is the finishing touch on turning tech work into an unending hell for women
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Sep 11, 2017 16:45
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rapeface posted:my favourite part is how it decided I meant 'too' instead of 'to' my favorite part is the only part that caused the image to be shared, too
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Powaqoatse posted:my favorite part is the only part that caused the image to be shared, too um
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Sep 11, 2017 17:32
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Powaqoatse posted:my favorite part is the only part that caused the image to be shared, too Was the time actually supposed to be 0630 and not 1830?
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Sep 11, 2017 17:35
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Schadenboner posted:Was the time actually supposed to be 0630 and not 1830? jfc
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Sep 11, 2017 17:52
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idg why voice interfaces are such A Thing other than the fact that they're new and nerds like iron man movies too much, I mean sure there's appropriate applications but not for everything I'd guess developers are tired of spending so much time on front end code when they can just have a giant gordian knot of stupid heuristics to work on instead
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Sep 11, 2017 18:00
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voice interfaces can be very handy for actions that might otherwise require multiple menus/actions to go through or the occasional hands-free situation also those two things kind of overlap
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Sep 11, 2017 18:04
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like I use voice stuff for navigation all the time, because I'm either driving or its just plain faster than typing in an address and everything
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Sep 11, 2017 18:05
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Powaqoatse posted:my favorite part is the only part that caused the image to be shared, too Idk what I'm doing in a week let alone in a year
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Sep 11, 2017 18:08
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stebe OS wouldn't have that problem
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Sep 11, 2017 18:09
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lancemantis posted:voice interfaces can be very handy for actions that might otherwise require multiple menus/actions to go through SWITCH TO COMMAND MODE MOUSEGRID 2 1 9 SWITCH TO NORMAL MODE the second thing any text to speech program should implement is phonetic alphabet support and an "i spell" keyword the first thing is, of course, the problem it's meant to solve
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Sep 11, 2017 18:13
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lancemantis posted:voice interfaces can be very handy for actions that might otherwise require multiple menus/actions to go through only if they work exactly as intended, if not they quickly become less handy than using a gui the base issue is that it's a lower fidelity input from the user and you have to assume a lot of intent so they don't have to stand there slowly saying "sunday, september seventeenth at six thirty pm pacific time" the feedback is lower fidelity too, did it parse what you're saying incorrectly? too much background noise? ambiguous phrasing? I guess the intent is that both the user and the system adapt to each other but then every time you need to do something new you're back at iterative course correction
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Sep 11, 2017 18:15
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qirex posted:idg why voice interfaces are such A Thing other than the fact that they're new and nerds like iron man movies too much, I mean sure there's appropriate applications but not for everything the current investor storytime is a complete lack of interaction by the user beyond turning on the app/thing because the magic AI will know exactly what you want at that moment via the context at the moment (and massive amounts of collected private information). some companies go the extra mile and totally remove the ability for the user to override the decisions of the magic AI because it goes against their vision. kind of similar to how some property owners plant spiky bushes whenever a desire path forms instead of taking the hint that the current paved paths aren't correctly laid out.
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Sep 11, 2017 18:20
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voice commands are useless until i can order my connected internet device to kill
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qirex posted:idg why voice interfaces are such A Thing other than the fact that they're new and nerds like iron man movies too much, I mean sure there's appropriate applications but not for everything they're hardly new, or came from iron man. its been a staple of sci fi for like 75 years of course people are going to keep trying to do it even though it usually sucks
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Sep 11, 2017 18:50
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when you ask someone to do something do you fill a form or do you just say what you want? people want the same from cumpueters
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Sep 11, 2017 18:58
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I use the voice interface on my phone for a few basic tasks like setting alarms or entering gps directions, because it's usually effective and it's quicker than clicking a couple of app buttons and typing something in
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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:when you ask someone to do something do you fill a form or do you just say what you want? people want the same from cumpueters yeah but they super obviously can't do that yet and it seems like everyone is focused on making them "better" by making them more complex something that's crappy/ok at 10,000 things isn't as useful as something that's good at 100 things same thing with smart home stuff, in a frictionless environment it's the starship loving enterprise but in the real world it's all incompatible standards and data breaches and my lighbulb is ddosing my network
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Sep 11, 2017 19:07
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eh, imperfect voice control is still generally good. being able to just take out my phone, push a button, and add something to my calendar in ten seconds is really useful even if i have to spend a minute cleaning it up / filling it out. that's something you can reasonably do in the middle of a conversation (assuming you do the clean-up later) instead of being a rude interruption. i mean you wouldn't want to use it somewhere you can't fix or ignore the results, don't use voice to steer your car, but even with limitations it's still good
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qirex posted:idg why voice interfaces are such A Thing other than the fact that they're new and nerds like iron man movies too much, I mean sure there's appropriate applications but not for everything for the simple reason that the tech industry thrives on novelty that they misconstrue for "innovation"
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Stymie posted:for the simple reason that the tech industry thrives on novelty that they misconstrue for "innovation" oh god I'm agreeing with this post help fishmech posted:they're hardly new, or came from iron man. yeah but how much of the sci-fi trope is a product of people thinking it is a good idea vs the authors looking at the limitations of the various formats and going "gently caress it, just have the characters directly state what they are doing" because that was good enough and they needed to churn out the poo poo as fast as possible?
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there are tasks that are well-suited to physical interfaces and there are tasks that are well-suited to voice interfaces. these tasks do not often overlap. shocking news to the nerd herd but true.
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Sep 11, 2017 19:48
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Stymie posted:for the simple reason that the tech industry thrives on novelty that they misconstrue for "innovation" novelty fits well with the levels of funding venture capital provides honestly it fits well with the whole venture capital model
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Shifty Pony posted:oh god I'm agreeing with this post help i mean it was literally just replacing a human servant type you might have used in older fiction with "the machine does this now"
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Sep 11, 2017 19:54
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Shifty Pony posted:oh god I'm agreeing with this post help well how are else you supposed to order up some transparent aluminum? use a physical input device, like some kind of primitive animal? that hardly seems high-tech at all!
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Shifty Pony posted:yeah but how much of the sci-fi trope is a product of people thinking it is a good idea vs the authors looking at the limitations of the various formats and going "gently caress it, just have the characters directly state what they are doing" because that was good enough and they needed to churn out the poo poo as fast as possible? like fishmech said its a narrative device you dont show your character working on a computer for an hour saying it out loud domains to the audience what youre doing and takes no time
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