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Binary Badger posted:The opening scene was a little bit much, especially the alien cum part. Binary Badger posted:Why do all the Binary Badger posted:Hey, no transporters. Welp there goes a ton of really gross jokes McFarlane had in mind. I bet.
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Let's face it, transporters create more story telling problems than they solve and the only reason they were included in the first place were SFX constraints. I also wouldn't be surprised if the tech exists in this universe but everyone is too horrified to use it on anything living.
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Martha Stewart Undying posted:I'm tired of people saying "Into Darkness" when I ask what their favorite trek is. We are in the mirrorverse guys. At least it's not someone saying they liked Nemesis better than The Wrath of Khan 
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Sep 11, 2017 19:08
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Anyone who doesn't rank Nemesis as the worst Star Trek movie of all time is a soulless minion of orthodoxy.
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I watched Into Darkness in exchange for making a friend watch all of Voyager, but I still refuse to watch Nemesis.
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Paradoxish posted:I watched Into Darkness in exchange for making a friend watch all of Voyager, but I still refuse to watch Nemesis. This is fair, I'd rather watch both than Nemesis. Nemesis made me lose a ton of respect for Spiner and Stewart, which is a terrible thing to do to a person You god drat self-indulgent fucks ruining your own characters and your own franchise.
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Sep 11, 2017 22:34
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What's worse, Nemesis or Insurrection?
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Well, this is sad. Stellar Parallax, the modding time behind Star Trek Armada 3, announced over the weekend that they have cancelled Star Trek Infinities, their Trek mod for Stellaris. According to their official statement, it was mostly bad luck that killed the project. A lot of the team ended up getting caught up in real-life stuff, and the way Paradox patches their games meant they essentially had to start from scratch every time a new update was released, and they ultimately just didn't have the manpower to keep up. We still have New Horizons, and the Stellar Parallax team is apparently planning something new at the moment, but it's a disappointment all the same.
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Wheat Loaf posted:What's worse, Nemesis or Insurrection? Insurrection is at least light-hearted, has some humor (albeit cringey), and kind of vaguely resembles a wonky early-season two-parter. It's got some fun sequences like Data running amok in the invisibility suits at the beginning and everyone seems to be having a not-miserable time. Nemesis is just wall-to-wall bleak violent crap. It's literally the only Star Trek I have a hard time getting through all the way without shutting it off.
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Wheat Loaf posted:What's worse, Nemesis or Insurrection? Insurrection always reminds me of Final Frontier in the sense that it's a pretty bad movie, but it still has a handful of moments elevating it just slightly above the bottom of the barrel. Into Darkness, same deal. Nemesis is worse than all of them, but maybe not by much.
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Baronjutter posted:I think it's actually extremely stupid to work on massive total conversion mods for games that are still incredibly actively being developed with huge sweeping changes with every patch. The problem with your stance is that Paradox strategy games (modern ones anyway) are basically in this cycle for literal years, so you have to start developing it at some point, or you'll be waiting until they announce CK3/EU5/Stellaris 2 to start. Even their more stable/better designed games remake entire systems with each expansion.
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Sep 11, 2017 22:50
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Orv posted:The problem with your stance is that Paradox strategy games (modern ones anyway) are basically in this cycle for literal years, so you have to start developing it at some point, or you'll be waiting until they announce CK3/EU5/Stellaris 2 to start. Even their more stable/better designed games remake entire systems with each expansion. Yeah, it's certainly a tough situation with all their games. But I think with Stellaris in particular is really still in its teething stage.
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Wheat Loaf posted:What's worse, Nemesis or Insurrection? Insurrection is just kind of bland and boring. Nemesis doesn't work as a movie on any level.
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bull3964 posted:Let's face it, transporters create more story telling problems than they solve and the only reason they were included in the first place were SFX constraints. "We could transport someone but you would be insane to do so, we can't teleport a soul". Come to think of it were there ever any races in Trek that entirely eschewed transports for reasons like that? It seems like something a race like the Bajorans would do.
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Orv posted:The problem with your stance is that Paradox strategy games (modern ones anyway) are basically in this cycle for literal years, so you have to start developing it at some point, or you'll be waiting until they announce CK3/EU5/Stellaris 2 to start. Even their more stable/better designed games remake entire systems with each expansion. There's a lot of ways to structure a mod to be robust enough to handle updates and gameplay changes.
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Wheat Loaf posted:What's worse, Nemesis or Insurrection? Insurrection has a lot of really dumb decisions but it at least isn't just making GBS threads on your sensibilities like Nemesis is. Insurrection also has somewhat coherent and understandable motives for its characters even though they make stupid decisions to further those motives, unlike Nemesis where Picard gets mopey about his clone being evil because "nuhhhh if we're the same person what does his evil say about me??" and Shinzon being evil because ????????????
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I'm 100% sincere when I say that if John Logan came out and said he actually deliberately wrote Nemesis to frustrate and anger Star Trek fans, the entire movie would make way more sense. It's that aggressively stupid.
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That said, I've gradually come to the conclusion that as much as I hate Nemesis, I'd still actually watch it over the 2013 Captain Harlock movie.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:That said, I've gradually come to the conclusion that as much as I hate Nemesis, I'd still actually watch it over the 2013 Captain Harlock movie. I hadn't watched the Harlock movie and was actually just considering it. Thanks for the unintentional heads up.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Insurrection has a lot of really dumb decisions but it at least isn't just making GBS threads on your sensibilities like Nemesis is. Insurrection also has somewhat coherent and understandable motives for its characters even though they make stupid decisions to further those motives, unlike Nemesis where Picard gets mopey about his clone being evil because "nuhhhh if we're the same person what does his evil say about me??" and Shinzon being evil because ???????????? Insurrection also had the ability to bring up ancient Earth musicals with the touch of two buttons.
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Mister Kingdom posted:Insurrection also had the ability to bring up ancient Earth musicals with the touch of two buttons. I feel like that's probably the computer knowing exactly what Picard could geek out over at any moment like some kind of ADHD history-sperg hipster.
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Nemesis is still the worst IMO. As much as i have problems with Into Darkness, Final Frontier, and Insurrection, they all have some redeeming qualities.
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It's been said before but Insurrection is like a two part episode from season 3 TNG. It's okay, better than other stuff (in this case Nemesis), but has some really dumb moments and cringy writing.
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Kibayasu posted:It's been said before but Insurrection is like a two part episode from season 3 TNG. It's okay, better than other stuff (in this case Nemesis), but has some really dumb moments and cringy writing.
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I literally have not seen Insurrection or Nemesis since Nemesis came out. I might have seen Insurrection on video around that time, but I don't remember for sure. And I'm OK with that. Edit: I probably haven't seen First Contact in nearly as long. I'm more or less OK with that too.
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Both those movies were a turning point for young me in that they were the first Star Treks I was never interested in owning on home video.
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:I literally have not seen Insurrection or Nemesis since Nemesis came out. I might have seen Insurrection on video around that time, but I don't remember for sure.
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The gently caress kind of redeeming qualities does Insurrection have? Nemesis is an amazingly stupid movie but at least some things happen in it. They're ridiculous, unreasonable, douchey things but they happen. Insurrection's plot is completely trivial and unimportant, ten minutes of bland meaningless events dragged out over two hours, whoever just said it was exactly like an overgrown TNG two-parter is bang on.
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A TNG two parter is better than someone kicking a puppy on screen for two hours.
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Arglebargle III posted:A TNG two parter is better than someone kicking a puppy on screen for two hours. Speaking of which, I'm watching Redemption Pt. II. Helpful recap right now.
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And now, the conclusion
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They're flying at a star to deter their pursuers, that's cool.
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Evek posted:Anyone who doesn't rank Nemesis as the worst Star Trek movie of all time is a soulless minion of orthodoxy. I like it better than 9/11 conspiracy movie Into Darkness and its irredeemably worthless third act, but this is like choosing your own method of torture.
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