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ProfessorProf posted:Probably not. I don't remember Lion's exact phrasing offhand, but the "Do you know" in Utena was "gozonji kashira" and in this context it would be something more like "shitteru". Cool, thanks. I know that Utena uses "gozonji kashira" and I remember reading/hearing somewhere that that's a deliberately odd (or at least uncommon) phrase in a way that's basically impossible to translate, which is why I was curious.
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Confused Llama posted:Cool, thanks. I know that Utena uses "gozonji kashira" and I remember reading/hearing somewhere that that's a deliberately odd (or at least uncommon) phrase in a way that's basically impossible to translate, which is why I was curious. It's not impossible to translate, it's just an extremely formal and kind of pretentious way of saying something like "I wonder if you're aware".
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bman in 2288 posted:Is this the timeline where everyone finds the gold and less people get killed? I'm betting it's the latter. It seems to be an alternate story where they solve the epitaph, but I bet we still get some murders. Otherwise we'd basically be getting through this entire episode without any murder at all, which wouldn't be very Umineko, would it? It seems like it's just a quick fast-forward, though, since we're already like halfway through the story. What I'm curious about is: what's the purpose of forcing Lion and Ange to watch it?
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witchcore ricepunk posted:"However, that was six years ago. Now, things are different. In these six years, I've sorted out my feelings for Battler-sama, and cut myself off from them along with the memories of the past. Now, I exist only to love you." The real thing here is that it's possible 'Shannon' actually doesn't remember any of that. See back when Yasu decided to retcon themself into being a butterfly and Shannon to having always lived alone. Yasu can just remove memories from 'Shannon' at will. Whether this is just Yasu roleplaying as Shannon who doesn't remember, or if they genuinely cannot access those memories at this time due to being in the 'Shannon' persona I'm honestly not sure.
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Tired Moritz posted:Also lol at Battler, I thought Battler was just a dumb boy bragging to a cute girl that shares an interest with him. If he really does have feelings for Shannon back then, well... I think he's kinda a dick. "Bittersweet memories of jokes involving melodramatic, flippant words." He was definitely joking about the horse.
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Tired Moritz posted:I don't think Yasu is like... a robot. No, they're just the true heir of Uroshimiya "no, if it's that man, then it could be possible" Kinzo.
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I'm chomping at the bit here, because I'm fearing that the last scene that Prof has to warn about is going to be about George, and hearing those creepy as hell things he's saying is making me all the more convinced.  Even without Prof's warning, it's pretty drat clear to me that George is going to do something heinous eventually because of how much he's been such a Nice Guy, and the fact that he likes to pull a Gendo Ikari in his sprites. I honestly hope that George dies first before he gets a chance to do anything evil.quote:
That sounds like something that comes from experience. Rudolf, do you have something to say here? (Initially I suspected it to be in reference to Rudolf tempting Battler to returning to Rokkejima to steal the inheritance, but also perhaps it can be in regards to why Rudolf pulled off the baby-switching at Battler's birth?) ZiegeDame posted:"Bittersweet memories of jokes involving melodramatic, flippant words." When it comes to remembering what promises were made six years ago, Battler should have ponied up.
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I feel like the setup will be Battler going "oh it was just childish words" and waving away the promise thinking he's giving Shannon a clear conscious, and instead breaking the last threads holding back a deadly shrieking butterfly. I do wonder about George and Jessica though. Will they pull to hard on their parts and cause Yasu to break apart at the seams? Much like our audience, I am chained and cannot leave till the play is over, and the curtain falls. No matter how much I want to stop.
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witchcore ricepunk posted:"However, that was six years ago. Now, things are different. In these six years, I've sorted out my feelings for Battler-sama, and cut myself off from them along with the memories of the past. Now, I exist only to love you." Yeah that's not good. 
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ZiegeDame posted:The real thing here is that it's possible 'Shannon' actually doesn't remember any of that. See back when Yasu decided to retcon themself into being a butterfly and Shannon to having always lived alone. Yasu can just remove memories from 'Shannon' at will. Whether this is just Yasu roleplaying as Shannon who doesn't remember, or if they genuinely cannot access those memories at this time due to being in the 'Shannon' persona I'm honestly not sure. The thing is, even in DID the base personality doesn't have that level of control over alters. The subconscious controls alters. I know someone with something similar, and they can't just... make their alters do things, they have to try to bargain using notes to have a conversation, and the other personas have enough of their own idea of what they're 'supposed to be doing' that it can be really hard to get them to deviate from that. I don't even think Yasu has DID, but part of why I don't think they do is that they've got so much control. They don't lose control to their personas, they deliberately give it up to roleplay so they can feel better. I think? I only bring this up because R07 seems to do his research.
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Just caught up on about 70 pages of this LP in a few days, and thank you to Prof and all the commenters for making this an amazing experience! Umineko handles some really heavy topics really well, and it's wonderful to see the community that's built up around sharing that along with discussing the mysteries. Even as a lurker, it's nice not to go this alone. On a happier note, Beato must have survived the conference because I saw her at Otakon!  
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jaclynhyde posted:Just caught up on about 70 pages of this LP in a few days, and thank you to Prof and all the commenters for making this an amazing experience! Umineko handles some really heavy topics really well, and it's wonderful to see the community that's built up around sharing that along with discussing the mysteries. Even as a lurker, it's nice not to go this alone. Beatrice is real, uu-! No, for real I'm glad to see Umineko get some love. That's pretty drat awesome.
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jaclynhyde posted:Just caught up on about 70 pages of this LP in a few days, and thank you to Prof and all the commenters for making this an amazing experience! Umineko handles some really heavy topics really well, and it's wonderful to see the community that's built up around sharing that along with discussing the mysteries. Even as a lurker, it's nice not to go this alone. That's a great Beato costume! And honestly probably as wide of a skirt as is practical to include, because while you can certainly get wider and extremely so with crinolines, that causes kind of a problem with... doors... 
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resurgam40 posted:Oh, god. No. No no no no no... I sense the other shoe dropping, and through the power of magic, it has turned into a meteor hurtling toward earth. How happy it starts, how dignified and refined, everyone working together instead of sniping at each other and separating to die... but if this were a happy story, who is the teller? And why are Lion and Ange brought together to hear it? And why the chains? I doubt that its bernkastal....at least right now. Its Featherine Auaustein who set this up to learn the complete truth. Ange is her miko (which bernkastal was before) and charged with reading the story out for her. I wouldnt think that Featherine would let such a willing participant go so easily and having Lion there allows her to reveal how the witches side obfuscated the truth during the games. They will sit there as the illusion of the witch is slowly stripped away until the cruel reality is revealed. Also what song is Bernskastals music (im trying to avoid spoilers so im afraid to go to youtube)? would it be possible for a master list of the songs to be put in post after the game is done?
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PetraCore posted:That's a great Beato costume! And honestly probably as wide of a skirt as is practical to include, because while you can certainly get wider and extremely so with crinolines, that causes kind of a problem with... doors... That's gonna suck for deeds in the bathroom.
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lookw posted:would it be possible for a master list of the songs to be put in post after the game is done? Maybe don't spoil song titles that haven't appeared in the LP yet? A couple song titles aren't a big deal, ofc, but still pretty vexing for readers who've been very diligent in attempting to avoid spoilers.
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 BGM: Dead Angle  "<Quadrillion>. This is the only place you'll find that number written on this island." "One tenth of a '京'... How suspicious." "If our idea is right, there should be some sort of device embedded in that relief." "We just need to check. Who's going up?" "I'll go. Hold that ladder down, okay?" "Be careful. It is fairly high..."Rudolf climbed up the propped up ladder. Step by step, as the rain poured down on him... "Look at the 'q'. See anything? Some sort of device?" "Nnn... Ladder's a bit shaky. Hmm? Crap..." "What is it?! Did something happen?!" "...Heheh... Bingo. Take a look at this."  "This is... the key!" "What does it mean?! Rudolf-kun! Can you take out the other letters too?!" "...Yeah, looks like it. Guess our crazy theories weren't far off after all! What's the next letter to take out?!" "U, ummm, 'i'! And then 'l'!"Following her instructions, Rudolf removed the six letters of the first twilight... Now that they'd gotten this far, nothing stood in the way of them solving the riddle. By trial and error, they finally reached the final stage.   "It says to gouge starting from the head, which must mean going from left to right." "Rudolf-san! Starting from the left, turn the keys before taking them out!" "Got it...!" "Now we've massacred all of the letters. So, none survive on the ninth twilight." "So?! Did something happen?" "It felt like something clicked, but nothing's different. Did a hidden door open up somewhere?" "H, hey! Look at that! It moved, I'm sure it did!!" "...?! Everyone, look! The lion statue's facing the other way...!" "Wh, what is going on? Is there some secret inside the lion statue...?!" "...That's not it. It's probably telling us to look where the lion's pointing. See? Look that way." "That lion's facing a different way too...! What does it mean?!" "It's guiding us, stupid! We have to go in the direction the lions face...!"Eva dashed forward. The others all chased after her. The gold was right in front of them.  BGM: None  "It makes sense now. Father didn't like people going near the chapel..." "...I wonder how long that device has been there. Judging by the feel of this underground passage, probably for quite a long time..." "I imagine it was nearly the same time that the mansion itself was built. The riddle of the epitaph was probably also planned many decades ago." "Well, this is Dad we're talking about. I try not to let the things he does surprise me, but this..." "Just how far does this stairway go...?" "Hey, maybe that old rumor was true. You know, the story about him having a mistress in a hidden mansion somewhere in the forest." "I see. It's likely that this underground passage goes all the way there." "...I wonder if it connects to the mansion from that day..." "I think we've found the goal. Look at that filthy door. Something's written on it." "...Whoo. This is it."Something was written on the door in red paint. On the tenth twilight, the journey shall end, and you shall reach the capital where the gold dwells... "Does it open...?" "It does. Ready? I'm going to open it." "So, we've finally reached the gold..." "At least, I wish such a convenient story could be true." "Let's open it, Nee-san." "Right. I'm opening it."The heavy door... opened slowly... Then, the gold-filled, underground VIP room showed itself...  BGM: Happiness of Marionette - Omake As soon as the mountain of gold next to the canopy bed came into sight, they all froze, stunned. After a second, the stunned silence faded and was replaced by cries of astonishment and wild joy...   "I, I can't believe it... It's 20 billion yen in gold...!! It really... really exists!!" "What a shining mountain. It almost blinds the eyes..." "Uhhahahahahahahaha!! We did it! We did it!! We win this game!!" "...Y, you mustn't touch it without permission! This is Father's gold!!" "Oh, really?! Then why don't you call Father down here now! Right away!! Your farce is already over!!" "Natsuhi nee-san. Let's put an end to the obvious lies, shall we? We have a real mountain of gold right here! Shouldn't we all be honest with each other?" "Fortunately, we're all in a good mood and feeling very gracious now. Just give it up already!" "Nng...!"A pile of gold this massive carries magical power within it. That power draws out the most honest feelings within people. The light from the chandelier glinted off the golden mountain, lighting them up with the golden sparkle. It was as though the sparkle manipulated them. For some time, they forgot their age, and howled and laughed, running about and rolling around like a bunch of excited kindergartners at a park...  BGM: None  "Before the crimes occurred, the epitaph has been solved... and by all of the siblings together..." "That hasn't happened in any of the games before now." "...Supposedly, Beatrice decided not to commit the crime if the epitaph was solved..." "Yeah, supposedly. Hmm. I wonder."Ange snorted, but I believed. This is what Clair decided. She entrusted everything to the roulette of fate, so she would obey the result. She let the roulette decide her own fate specifically because 'they' couldn't decide on their own. So, she'll do what it says. She'll follow her own rule. She'll definitely keep her promise.  "I don't think... the crime will occur." "...Are you sure about that?" "Yes. Her roulette has already made its decision. This is the end of her game." "If it's the end, what happens next? Do they all become happy rich people and leave the family conference unharmed? Does my family get an ingot that isn't chocolate as a parting gift before coming back to me? Will it be a happy end for everyone? You think those witches would chain us to chairs to show us a naive dream like that?!" "...Nnn..."When she showed off the chain on her wrist with a clank, I was unable to counter her with confidence. But I want to believe. Though this might be the least exciting ending, it is one way for Clair's game to end. Perhaps, just once at the end, she wanted to show us a world where no crime occurs. Now that she has disappeared with no regrets, is she leaving us a parting gift in the form of a game where no crime occurs, in a sense, the most peaceful sort of game? I want to believe. If only these heavy, cold chains weren't holding us in place in this theater.  Rosa's shrill cry brought the celebrating to an immediate stop. Rosa knew she'd seen it. The curtain against the wall had fluttered, and a shadow had been there behind it. "...None of that, if you don't mind. You're just imagining things..." "Is someone there?! If you are, come out...!"When Eva yelled, the curtain shook. And then, a witch wearing a black dress appeared from the other side... In an instant, everyone realized that the dress was the same as the one worn by the witch of the portrait, and they realized one more thing. This person... was the owner of this room.  BGM: Lie-alaiaa Her face and her voice were expressionless, blank. The others all looked at each other, wondering who should respond. Rudolf was the first to speak.  "...So, you are Beatrice." "Indeed." "A, and you're the one who gave Maria that letter...?!" "Indeed." "...Is Father behind this?" "No. This is my... game." "If that's so, then we've won. We've solved the epitaph's riddle and found the gold...!" "We've accepted your challenge and won...! That means this gold belongs to us, right?!" "Indeed, it is as you say. You have solved the epitaph splendidly and discovered the hidden gold. This game ends in your victory. This gold no longer belongs to me, but to all of you..." "...It seems you're a good loser." "Hey, you. If we hadn't solved the epitaph's riddle, what were you planning to do?" "The letter said that you'd take 'everything of the Ushiromiya family'." "Yes. I planned to take all of your wealth... and all of your lives. I planned to do as I pleased with everything that exists on this island."...The witch walked towards the table next to the bed. Then, for the first time, the others realized what sat on that table. They were... four rifles. There was also a case filled with bullets... The witch picked up one of the lead bullets lying on the table and played with it, her face still expressionless, as she spoke.  "Wh, what did you say...?" "...That's what I thought when I first saw that epitaph. It almost looks like something you'd find in a serial murder mystery novel. That's right. If you had killed 13 people to match the epitaph, that would have made for quite a mysterious crime..." "Th, there's no way you could do that all by yourself...! No matter how many guns you had, killing 13 people... that would just be...!!" "...I formed my plan with great care and constructed several alternatives. I envisioned all of the actions you might take from tonight and through tomorrow... and prepared a mystery to deal with each of those. I'm afraid I cannot reveal those at this point, but it really was a tightly-knit set of pleasant closed room murders." "If there were just a few of us, you could've gunned us down in our sleep. But there's no way that would've let you kill 13 of us...! After all, we aren't that stupid." "...It would seem so. At any rate, I predicted that the epitaph being solved before the first twilight was the most unlikely result." "So, the fact that we've reached this place seems to show that you've miscalculated." If no one could solve the riddle, she planned to take a gun and commit a serial murder. Everyone gulped as they watched the witch emotionlessly make her confession...  "...If your confession is the truth, that means you were trying to kill us." "Yes. That is true." "The hell... How can she just say it like that?" "You couldn't possibly expect us to treat you favorably after revealing that much to us, right...?" "I am prepared. You may do as you will with me. If you hadn't solved the epitaph, I would have done the same to you, so it is only fair." "...This girl's got guts." "I planned this game because I was prepared to bet my life. I am satisfied with the result. If you wish to kill me now, I am prepared."By now, she didn't even treasure her life. As the witch spoke and walked near the others, they automatically stepped back... "The gold belongs to all of you. I planned to give everything to the one who discovered it first, but I didn't expect there to be seven of you. I leave the decision of how to split the gold to the seven of you. I will not involve myself. And..."The witch walked even closer. The group parted, and she walked up to the antique clock behind them. The clock was large and had a dignified feel to it. The witch patted it and spoke.  BGM: None "What... do you mean by that?" "...If you read it like a murder case up until the eighth twilight, then there are only 13 people killed. But for the ninth twilight, it clearly says that none are to be left alive." "What does that mean? In other words, she was planning to massacre all of us?" "...Don't tell me, that clock..." BGM: Melody  "Are you the one who set that up? Or was that Ushiromiya Kinzo?" "Kinzo is the one who set up the device. This device is the source of his mad magical power..." "...I, I don't have a clue what you're talking about." "In other words, Dad set up this bomb, and if he ever went broke, he was prepared to wipe away everything, including himself, and die...?" "On this island, Ushiromiya Kinzo made a contract with the Golden Witch and obtained the gold. However, that was not all he gained." "...Wh, what are you talking about...?" "Wait, don't tell me..." "There is that rumor about the remains of an old Japanese military base existing on Rokkenjima... Could it be..." "Your guess is correct. Beneath this island sleep the remains of an underground Japanese military base from the time of the war. Along with 900 tons of explosives." "N, 900 tons?! Th, that's unbelievable! If that exploded, the result would be unimaginable! Forget just the mansion blowing up... it'd leave a massive crater!!" "I believe an expert's estimate measured it as a hole several dozen meters deep and a kilometer across." "...There wouldn't be... even a trace left..." "Those explosives will detonate in response to a special device. And that is connected to the activation switch I just flipped."The witch toyed with a switch on the top part of the antique clock.  "B, but it's almost 24:00 now..." "In other words, it won't explode X hours after you flip it. It's a time limit bomb that only explodes at midnight. "Indeed. It is almost 24:00 now. If an explosion is what you desire, you can just leave it like this." "Who would want that...?!! Turn it off!"By this time, Kinzo was probably the only one who knew. The secret base on Rokkenjima had started out as a submarine base. However, when that plan reached a standstill, it was redefined as a top secret base for homeland defense. A huge plan had been drawn up to have the army and navy perform a pincer attack on American forces if the latter decided to land on Kujuukuri Beach and press towards Tokyo. As a trump card for this massive defensive maneuver, the navy started stockpiling large quantities of explosives and fuel in absolute secrecy. And Rokkenjima base was the location those were stockpiled at. The total weight of the buried explosives was 900 tons. Also, fearing that the Americans might find out the island's secrets and seize the explosives, they set up a system for the self-destruction of the entire island... Kinzo, who knew all of this, decided not to remove this device, but to tie it in with this strange clock that could cause the explosion any night at midnight. Kinzo is famous for building up his funds using a vast store of gold, and then using those funds in several sink-or-swim gambles, one after another. Just what did his stockpile of gold... and the 900 tons of sleeping explosives mean to him? At this point, we can only guess. Perhaps the true source of Kinzo's mad power... wasn't the gold after all. If he lost a big gamble and all that he owned, he could erase this entire island from existence with this device. His whole life, he must have put the gold and everything else he had on the line...  Whenever things got tough and he got stuck, he would hide in here... and flip the switch... Maybe he decided to blow everything away if he didn't think of a brilliant plan before 24:00 came. He would gaze at the mountain of gold, listening to the clock tick towards his death as he searched for an idea... Perhaps Ushiromiya Kinzo's real study wasn't the one in the mansion, but this place instead...  BGM: Dead Angle "For our Father, it wouldn't be unthinkable..." "This device now belongs to all of you. If you want a massive explosion, use it whenever you please." "A, are you crazy...?! Who'd want a big explosion...?!!" "...These explosives are half a century old, right? Would they really go off?" "Yes, of course. The explosives and the fuses are still working. I tested them myself." "You tested them...?" "...Could it be... that?" "Yes, now I finally understand. So that's why the shrine disappeared without a trace..."This summer, the shrine had disappeared without a trace, along with the reef under it. It felt strange that the waves could have destroyed it without a trace like that, but no one had paid it much mind. And now, this piece perfectly fit into the hole left by that strange feeling...  "..." "The little bit I used was enough to make that entire reef vanish. It's easy to see how 900 tons of that would cause an explosion large enough to rewrite the map..." "...If an explosion like that happened, all of us would most certainly die. But what about you? I somehow doubt that you were willing to commit suicide with the rest of us..." "This underground VIP room is connected to an underground passage from the remnants of the military base. If you go straight along that, you'll come out at the hidden mansion on the opposite side of the island, Kuwadorian. It's about two kilometers away. If you make it all the way there, you should be able to escape the blast." "...I see. So, you planned to escape to there just before the blast." "I have only said that such a thing is possible. You may not believe this, but if the ninth twilight ended before any of you could solve the riddle, I planned to die along with everything else." "...There's something seriously wrong with this girl..." "She's insane... There's no point thinking about it! If we hadn't solved the epitaph, she would have used those guns, or else that switch, to massacre all of us, right?! There can be no doubting that now!!" "You are correct. You have ended this game in the best possible way, without there being even a single victim. I wish to convey my respect and admiration. Though there were seven of you, you solved the riddle, which I spent so much time on, in a single night. That is worthy of praise." "I also admire you for your graciousness and honesty in defeat. We haven't decided how you will be dealt with, but I hope to do all I can to reach a gentlemanly agreement." "...Pay me no mind any longer. I am already one of the dead, who was already prepared to kill everyone and die myself."The Golden Witch Beatrice solved the epitaph, reached this room, and revived. And now. New people had solved the riddle and reached this room, so her role was finished. When the epitaph's riddle was solved, Beatrice's illusion of the witch ended. Most likely, no one in this room was capable of understanding her tragic determination. She herself was probably the only one who understood. As long as the many selves inside of her understood, that was enough. ...I am one yet many. I abandoned myself to the magical roulette of endless possibilities. The result... the answer... is this. This is what the tarot cards known as the epitaph ceremony have shown me. ...Beatrice is already dead.  BGM: None The witch stared up at the ceiling without speaking for a while, then looked as though she'd suddenly remembered something. She grabbed at the sleeves of her dress and took out some sort of card. "Oh, yes. I forgot. I have no need for money after death. I will give this to all of you as well." "...A cash card?" "I have converted a portion of the gold to cash. This is for the account that the money is in." "I see. So this is the magical energy of the Golden Witch." "How much?" "I've forgotten the details. However, there is more than a billion yen." "A billion...! Now that would be magic!" "True. There's nothing you couldn't do with that much money." "Very true. The strongest magic to counter the humans' anti-magic toxin is this magic of gold. It may be that this card holds greater power than the ingots." "Certainly. Cash would be much more agreeable than ingots." "Here you go. I have no need of this anymore."The card she held out... was not taken by any of them. Who would ever just hand over a card with a billion yen in it? The mountain of gold, the device for blowing up the island, the card with a billion yen... All of these surpassed their understanding. So, no one could bring themselves to take it.  "...What don't you like?" "Here you go, here's a mountain of gold. And I'll turn off the explosives and give you a card worth a billion yen while we're at it. It sounds far too good to be true. You're trying to trick us somehow, aren't you?" "I have no desire to trick you, but I won't try and force you to believe. I have offered you everything, revealed everything. What you believe and what you do is now for you, the new masters of the gold, to decide. You are even free to disbelieve all I say and leave this place." "Eva. I can't imagine that she's lying." "And how could you know that?! I don't like how relaxed she's acting! It's as though she thinks she's already won! ...I just had an idea, a second ago!! What if she's lying about which is the 'off' side of the switch?!" "Wh, what do you mean, Nee-san...?" "Just a second ago, this girl flipped the switch to the side she said would turn off the bomb! But what if that actually armed the bomb?! We solved the riddle, so you turned the bomb's switch to 'on', trying to blow us and everything else up, right?!" "...If that is what you think, then please feel free to flip the switch on this clock. It will be 24:00 in one minute. The clock will show you the truth." "Wh, what did you say...?" "H, hey, what're we supposed to do...? Is the bomb set to 'on' now? Or 'off'?!" "I don't think she could be lying...! It's inactive now. We shouldn't flip it...!" "But I don't like it!! Why is she so resigned to her fate?! Why's she offering us things one after another?! She's tricking us to buy time!! She wants to buy time until 24:00 so that she can go down in flames along with us!!" "..." "Wh, what about the switch itself? Is there some way to tell if it's on or off...?"On the upper part of the antique clock was a metal switch that could slide right or left. Right now, it was set to the left. However, there were no marks in particular on either side to tell one which was 'off' and which was 'on'.   "...Left. It's off now." "You idiot! You really expect an honest answer from her?! It's the opposite... It has to be!! The right side must be 'off'!!" "W, we don't have any more time, Nee-san...!!" "Quit it, Eva!! Don't touch the switch! It's set to 'off' now!!" "Eva-san, take your hand off it!!" "I agree. It's 'off' now. If she wanted to kill us with a bomb, she wouldn't have told us about it." "...!!! B, Beatriiiiiiiice...!! Don't think you can trick me...!!!" "...5. 4... 3." "Nng, aah... aaaaaaaaaarrrrgggghh!!!" BGM: 7 Weights The second hand of the clock... ticked past 24:00. October 4th ended... and the curtain rose on October 5th, 1986... The switch was still pointing to the left. The witch's words had been proven correct.  "Y, you bitch!"With a hideous, sweat-covered expression, Eva snatched the cash card away from the witch's hand. "...How about a bankbook and seal? We can't withdraw anything with just a card!" "All you need is the PIN. It's eight digits long." "W, wait a second!! I'm writing it down...!!"Eva and Kyrie both took out a pen and notepad and began writing the eight digit number the witch told them. "...That is everything I have to tell you and give you. I will say nothing more. All of my tasks have been completed."After saying this, the witch spun around... and sat down on the bed. She wasn't even looking at the others anymore. She sat there like an empty husk which had, just as she had said, finished everything it existed to do... For a while, everyone watched the witch to see if she would remember something else and start talking. However, she said nothing else. The witch who had called herself one of the dead was now little more than a large French doll wearing a black dress... 
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This scene is suppose to be a great triumph, but man, it just feels sad. Poor Yasu, she's acting like a robot who had their spring wound down.
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Sep 12, 2017 13:42
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900 tons of small bombs.
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Sep 12, 2017 14:52
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Question, do any of them recognize that's one of their servants dressed up as Beatrice? Because if Eva eventually does, then I'm 100% sure Yasu is getting a bullet to the face. So what happens to George, Jessica, Maria, and Battler now? Beato is done, it doesn't look like she's gonna play these love games anymore. Edit: WAIT I JUST REALIZED, IS THE SMALL EXPLOSIVES EXPLANATION ACTUALLY VIABLE AGAIN?!
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Sep 12, 2017 14:59
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I wonder if we would still be getting blank-eyed Beato here if any one of them had thought to ask the question "why?" instead of just "are you sure you aren't planning on killing us anyway?"
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Sep 12, 2017 15:04
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I hope everyone who bullied Battler about bombs apologizes now. 
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Confused Llama posted:I wonder if we would still be getting blank-eyed Beato here if any one of them had thought to ask the question "why?" instead of just "are you sure you aren't planning on killing us anyway?" Or how about just "But really, who the gently caress are you?" Are they assuming she's Kinzo's hidden mistress?
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idonotlikepeas posted:I know very little about bombs, but I've just done some research which has probably put me on at least one government watch list. This video shows the effects about five tons of TNT: I had guessed something like ten tons. NINE HUNDRED TONS is an absolutely inconceivable amount of conventional explosive. Take a look at that video and imagine something 180 times larger than that blast. No wonder they couldn't find any bodies. bman in 2288 posted:Question, do any of them recognize that's one of their servants dressed up as Beatrice? Because if Eva eventually does, then I'm 100% sure Yasu is getting a bullet to the face. Yasu is getting a bullet to the face no matter what. I mean, the foreshadowing in this entry was laid on pretty thick. The crime is absolutely going to happen, and it's going to happen because these stupid loving idiots are going to start shooting each other over this pile of gold and then someone is going to turn the bomb on (either by accident or just to cover up the shootings). I mean, you can see the writing on the wall. "Here you are, split the gold up amongst yourselves, I don't care how you do it, by the way here are some guns." I mean, they are very literally Chekhov's guns!
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Sep 12, 2017 15:48
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I like how nobody doubts for a moment that Kinzo had a device to vaporize his entire family.
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Sep 12, 2017 16:02
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I like how nobody doubts for a moment that Kinzo had a device to vaporize his entire family. He is a spiteful bastard with little desire for anything but his dead beloved, it's really sad to think the adults really and very casually accept their dad dislikes them so much that they don't even blink at the idea he could've blown them up any time
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Sep 12, 2017 16:22
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I'm not going to even mention the complete lack of security for the bomb detonation device.
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Sep 12, 2017 16:24
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Palladium posted:I'm not going to even mention the complete lack of security for the bomb detonation device. One could argue that the epitaph was the security for the bomb detonation device.
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Sep 12, 2017 16:28
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Way more important here: Did Eva get this whole spiel back in Ep 3? Did Eva get only half of this spiel, before Rosa showed up and interrupted it? Is this why the PIN was written on the wall after George's murder, because Beato hadn't had time to tell Eva before? This explanation would put all the non-servant bodies on Eva, with the exception of Nanjo and probably George, with Eva setting off the explosives after to cover up her crimes. ZiegeDame fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Sep 12, 2017 |
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I like how nobody doubts for a moment that Kinzo had a device to vaporize his entire family. We weren't seriously going to do it, but for a minute in witchchat we were talking about joking in the thread how being under the pressure of impending death of him and his family is how Kinzo gets all his business planning done, to see how many people would take it as just a joke
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Sep 12, 2017 16:35
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I don't think any of us would put it past him, though.
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tiistai posted:We weren't seriously going to do it, but for a minute in witchchat we were talking about joking in the thread how being under the pressure of impending death of him and his family is how Kinzo gets all his business planning done, to see how many people would take it as just a joke honestly? i wouldnt have seen that as a joke (at least not in the sense that i would disregard it). But i would have assumed it meant the epithet murders or his own disease. I wouldn't have considered explosives. uhh i just thought about this line. "regardless of the witches will"..that implies the explosives go off regardless of who sets them up (either yasu or eva). they just..........explode killing everyone in the mansion (except who escapes to the other mansion) since yasu planned to die its eva (the more practical witch) who manages to escape and set ange to find out the truth.....i guess shes getting what she wanted.
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lookw posted:
I'd guess it was something similar to what happened here, Eva didn't believe that it was actually off, so she turned it on expecting a trick, and instead killed her whole family 
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RedMagus posted:This scene is suppose to be a great triumph, but man, it just feels sad. Poor Yasu, she's acting like a robot who had their spring wound down. I have a feeling that Yasu would have acted sad either way, because the only ones who wanted to win here are the siblings. She has no qualms about handing over the card, the gold, the literal doomsday clock that Kinzo built... all of it means naught to Yasu because the point of their roulette was never to win. It was to die. To be destroyed so completely, not even a trace remained of the crime that created them, or the circumstances that allowed it to grow into the atrocity it did... that the only possible survivors would be the one who "solved the mystery", and through their survival, prove themselves different from the noxious, cowardly ruler of this place. Even now, s/he wants that still... and though I believed she was telling the truth, I can't blame Eva for thinking she had been lying about the off position of the clock. Yasu certainly gives the impression of still wanting to die... and here's the thing: s/he still knows exactly what they're doing, by introducing not only the gold, but the guns and the plot to kill 13 souls. S/he knows exactly what is going to happen next...
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Yasu knows they're incapable of settling things peacefully - if it was the kids who first found the gold, things might end up less bloody - George showed he's willing to defy Eva and Jessica having gold means she no longer feels obligated to hide herself from Natsuhi and Krauss, and Battler just basically can't stand the adults bickering. But even then that's uncertain with some of the adults being quite willing to kill. I do wonder if not the witch's will, depending on how long ago Kinzo set up the bomb, the mechanism might've gone bad from age and one too many pull of the switches and it breaks, leaving it in the armed position.
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What episode are we on? Still 7? What Beatrice said about preparing for seven different possible outcomes lines up each of the episodes so far. It also sucks that none of the siblings could not be a piece of poo poo and choose NOT to kill anybody even though the money was right there. My something-suspicious-about-Rudolf-and-Kyrie glasses may be the cause of this, but I think that one of the letters hitting Krauss was on purpose.Graylien posted:I'd guess it was something similar to what happened here, Eva didn't believe that it was actually off, so she turned it on expecting a trick, and instead killed her whole family Goddamnit... 
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Graylien posted:I'd guess it was something similar to what happened here, Eva didn't believe that it was actually off, so she turned it on expecting a trick, and instead killed her whole family I'm gonna get overly pedantic for a second here, but to me "regardless" implies the same thing would have happened no matter what Eva/Beato/Whoever did. If it were as you described, "despite the witch's will" would be a more accurate phrasing. Which isn't to say Eva didn't fiddle with that switch, but merely that it had no effect on the outcome.
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