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Beaten. But yeah, people were quite pissed at the first Tweet, with Bill Corbett from MST#K/Rifftrax taking on the role of chief grumbler, and apparently it had an effect. Since he's not going to run for re-election, might as well spend the time he has left actually, you know, pushing for worthwhile stuff! ...poo poo, now it's like even I think my politics are electoral poison.
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Sephyr posted:Beaten. But yeah, people were quite pissed at the first Tweet, with Bill Corbett from MST#K/Rifftrax taking on the role of chief grumbler, and apparently it had an effect. Huh? I don't see anything about Franken retiring.
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Kilroy posted:Same with "We can't support candidates in deeply red districts! We're too toxic in those places! They're better off without our help!" Yeah you can tell that they kind of recognize the problem on some level when they say "Oh we can't campaign in union country or rural areas because people will link local candidates with us and they hate everything we stand for now" versus "now we have a real chance in rich white-flight FYGM kill-the-poor suburbs, where they'll love everything we stand for now!"
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Sep 13, 2017 01:22
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MooselanderII posted:Huh? I don't see anything about Franken retiring. He's up for re-election in 2020, when he'll be 70. Might as well get out before he loses too much of his fastball.
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So are we really not contesting a race for a valuable Senate seat under an unpopular president with a string of massive legislative failures, up against a bugfuck insane Republican candidate whose lifelong obsession is to put the gays in camps? We spent $2 million on a meaningless House election only to lose that most expensive House election in history anyway, just to try to prove that pro-business centrism is popular....but a seat that could swing the balance of power almost as much as Massachesettes 2010 and we're just like "nah" ?
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VitalSigns posted:So are we really not contesting a race for a valuable Senate seat under an unpopular president with a string of massive legislative failures, up against a bugfuck insane Republican candidate whose lifelong obsession is to put the gays in camps? Like god drat it's a loving Senate seat and the alternative is literally Christian ISIS.
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Office Pig posted:Like god drat it's a loving Senate seat and the alternative is literally Christian ISIS. True, but think how many serfs will feel emboldened and start -demanding- things from their enlightened representatives if they start winning. It's just so gauche. There's a Chait column about it somewhere, I'm sure.
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steinrokkan posted:Jesus Christ, there is no bottom to how much of a terrible person she is. In an alternate reality she would have been a great Stalin-like figure. Turns out the centrists were the tankies all along.
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Sephyr posted:Beaten. But yeah, people were quite pissed at the first Tweet, with Bill Corbett from MST#K/Rifftrax taking on the role of chief grumbler, and apparently it had an effect. "apparently"
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I can't believe I didn't think of this when I heard the book's title: https://twitter.com/mr_bovine_jonie/status/907760913897238528
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D.N. Nation posted:"apparently" Just come out and say what it is you want to say instead of doing this poo poo.
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D.N. Nation posted:"apparently" Yeah, 'apparently'. I can't read Franken's mind. Maybe really cares about this and just needed a push. Maybe he doesn't give a crap but doesn't want to be seen as a stick in the mud as support grows. Maybe he flipped a coin.
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 Hillary Clinton is up there with Donald Trump as the most despicable creature in American politics.
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https://twitter.com/Julie_Johnsoned/status/907749881779036160 Edit: between this and the fact she actually drops a Peter Daou tweet as worthy of a sage nod this entire book feels like it's designed to feed the worst impulses of her most die-hard supporters. ded redd fucked around with this message at 04:52 on Sep 13, 2017 |
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my wife didnt vote hillary because she thought hillary had it in the bag so facebook and hair appointment were more interesting. then she was sad trump won
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Office Pig posted:https://twitter.com/Julie_Johnsoned/status/907749881779036160 So Hillary thinks women aren't smart enough to lie about how they voted on a secret ballot?
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logosanatic posted:my wife didnt vote hillary because she thought hillary had it in the bag so facebook and hair appointment were more interesting. Make a lunch appointment with Hillary so she can tell your wife what a failure she is as a citizen and human being.
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BadOptics posted:So Hillary thinks women aren't smart enough to lie about how they voted on a secret ballot? remember that 'kept women' thing? the feminist ideaology in the dem party is so hosed that they think women just vote for women on everything and not have actual opinions and politics of their own, and so voting for a man over a woman is a betrayal of their sex
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Endorph posted:remember that 'kept women' thing? the feminist ideaology in the dem party is so hosed that they think women just vote for women on everything and not have actual opinions and politics of their own, and so voting for a man over a woman is a betrayal of their sex* *Does not apply to a non-Democrat womam running against a Democrat man.
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I think it boils down to "identity bloc ownership", the dem leadership felt they were owed particular blocs of voters and when they didn't show up to the polls as expected, someone (well many people in fact) needed to be blamed. That said, I wonder how far this line of debate is going to go because if Hillary's book becomes the "definitive account of what happened" then I have little faith in the Democrats ever really uniting. I mean you can only burn so many bridges until there is nowhere to go.
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Ardennes posted:That said, I wonder how far this line of debate is going to go because if Hillary's book becomes the "definitive account of what happened" then I have little faith in the Democrats ever really uniting. I mean you can only burn so many bridges until there is nowhere to go.
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Actually I think joepinetree described earlier in the thread the exact scenario I just linked.
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logosanatic posted:my wife didnt vote hillary because she thought hillary had it in the bag so facebook and hair appointment were more interesting. To be fair, if you live in any of the majority of non-swing states she doesn't really have anything to feel guilty about.
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As a woman-hating brogressive racist, I voted for Gloria La Riva. A man of contrasts.
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https://twitter.com/roqchams/status/907831514121031680 God this book is full of crap, and not even the usual kind of crap too, like it's written by an alien for an even more alien audience and humanity is just sort of forced to watch it happen. ded redd fucked around with this message at 07:29 on Sep 13, 2017 |
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Regarding this whole election/post-election in general, I think possibly the weirdest thing is how Hillary and centrist-liberals have somehow managed to rewrite history to paint themselves as being the true allies of social justice. Do people just not have a memory of anything that happened more than several years ago? Like, it wasn't that many years back that Hillary was distinctly on the wrong side of social issues, like gay marriage, but people still act like she's always been on the forefront of these issues her entire political career, which is utter nonsense. The people actually on the forefront of such issues have always been the real/"radical" left. People like Hillary have always been the ones who lagged behind on granting basic rights to minority groups.Office Pig posted:https://twitter.com/roqchams/status/907831514121031680 I think I've mentioned this before, but Clinton's general demeanor and way of speech/writing is basically cultural signalling* to upper/upper-middle class liberal boomers. It's basically like how a Republican speaking with a strong Southern or Texan accent appeals to a certain kind of Republican voter. *That probably is unintentional and is just the natural result of her being an upper-class boomer herself Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 07:39 on Sep 13, 2017 |
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Btw, has anyone listened to this? Is that an accurate description?
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Ytlaya posted:Like, it wasn't that many years back that Hillary was distinctly on the wrong side of social issues, like gay marriage, but people still act like she's always been on the forefront of these issues her entire political career, which is utter nonsense. Including, uh, Hillary herself. https://twitter.com/roqchams/status/907846043773042688
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Accretionist posted:Btw, has anyone listened to this? Is that an accurate description? It's accurate enough.  
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Office Pig posted:https://twitter.com/Julie_Johnsoned/status/907749881779036160 is there no depth to which the bernie bro will not sink
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Nice to see Hillary boldly falling back on full-blown misogyny to explain away her own shortcomings. Fishhook theory literally is real lol
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Mister Facetious posted:It's accurate enough. Well of course he courted insurance companies. Reminder that they barely managed to scrape together the votes to make ACA pass and that was with one of the biggest lobbies in the US supporting it. There was no way they could have passed something like single payer, too many senators and congressmen in the pockets of insurance companies. And ACA is still a big step up from what it used to be. Small progress is better than no progress.
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^^^ I love that this is apparently invoked as a defense of Obama and the ACA, and not the damning loving indictment of the Democratic Party that it actually is, that even with a supermajority and the biggest public mandate since FDR we can't do anything that might upset the corporate donors and those sweet sweet bribes.
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McCloud posted:Well of course he courted insurance companies. Reminder that they barely managed to scrape together the votes to make ACA pass and that was with one of the biggest lobbies in the US supporting it. There was no way they could have passed something like single payer, too many senators and congressmen in the pockets of insurance companies. And ACA is still a big step up from what it used to be. Small progress is better than no progress. "courted insurance companies" (read: bribed PhRMA so they would tell their lobbyists to tell Congress and the Senate they would still get campaign contributions after supporting it.
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VitalSigns posted:^^^ Well..duh? I mean, money rules in politics. It's very unfortunate that this is the state of things in the US, and maybe if more people paid attention to politics and voted, and also were less terrible human beings swayed by racism, religion and right wing talking points, they wouldn't be in this mess, but they don't and they are. Until recently "leftist" policies didn't get you elected, because that's not what the voters wanted. So it's a double whammy in that it can be used against you by your political opponents (calling you a socialist or giving handouts to welfare queens or what have you) and lose you money that you desperately need to compete against your opponent who no doubt is backed by lobbyists that want to lower taxes. It's pragmatism, doing the best of what you can in a bad situation. Mister Facetious posted:"courted insurance companies" (read: bribed PhRMA so they would tell their lobbyists to tell Congress and the Senate they would still get campaign contributions after supporting it. Again..Duh? The problem is, again, that without money you lose, so compromises are a necessity.
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McCloud posted:Well..duh? I mean, money rules in politics. It's very unfortunate that this is the state of things in the US, and maybe if more people paid attention to politics and voted, and also were less terrible human beings swayed by racism, religion and right wing talking points, they wouldn't be in this mess, but they don't and they are. doubtful. you don't get people voting and paying attention to politics by chanting "pay attention!" and "vote!" at them. you get them excited. and you do that by addressing their issues. but the dems were fatally unable/unwilling to do that because the massive amounts of money they took came under conditions that required them to be business friendly. so we get student debt forbearance for startup creators and tweaks to a healthcare system that people can't afford to use because premiums and deductibles are skyhigh. quote:Until recently "leftist" policies didn't get you elected, because that's not what the voters wanted. So it's a double whammy in that it can be used against you by your political opponents (calling you a socialist or giving handouts to welfare queens or what have you) and lose you money that you desperately need to compete against your opponent who no doubt is backed by lobbyists that want to lower taxes. you realize the dems' opponents still call them socialist despite them avoiding leftism and strengthening the social safety net like the plague. obama was constantly called a socialist despite pulling poo poo like trying to gut social security yeah, dems might lose big donor money, but that money keeps them from having a message that isn't "status quo forever!" quote:It's pragmatism, doing the best of what you can in a bad situation. that pragmatism has seen us lose every branch of the federal government to republicans. it's not actually pragmatism, it's defeatism quote:Again..Duh? The problem is, again, that without money you lose, so compromises are a necessity. 1) dems lost with a 2:1 spending advantage 2) bernie is a compromise seriously mccloud, do you think climate change is important? cause too many businesses don't, and we can't get serious about combating it while they are our donors. hillary was all for fracking, which is really loving bad for the environment and climate change, and i'll give you three guesses why she thought it was a good idea. we are running out of time to face these issues. the country has slid so far right that we have fascists marching through our streets, our loving environment is falling apart in our lifetimes, etc. we don't have time for "pragmatic" tiny shifts in policy over 30 years Condiv fucked around with this message at 10:36 on Sep 13, 2017 |
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McCloud posted:Well..duh? There's a tinge of Just World Fallacy -- quote:It's pragmatism, doing the best of wht you can in a bad situation. With relation to the public interest, neither the public nor the politicians are doing what they can. The politicians are acting in bad faith and the public is crappy and lazy. This disinterest represents a great deal of slack. But your read of this -- quote:without money you lose, so compromises are a necessity. And it's in that slack space that the line of criticism you're rebuffing is based.
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