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The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


^SHTPSTS

Gary’s Answer

yeah sure, you somehow managed to engineer a system that flawlessly executes even with a critical component unresponsive but you are dumb enough not to engineer it to not issue certs when that component is unresponsive.

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hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

I haven't been on SA for years but the person who gave me my previous av as a joke felt guilty for doing so and decided to get me a non-shitty av

Max Facetime posted:

Encryption is not a human right and neither is downloading apps, in fact both could well be illegal in some places, so where's the human rights violation?

could you be any dumber (edgier?). "illegal" isn't in the ballpark of "not a right", it's not even the same game

ErIog
Jul 11, 2001

:nsacloud:

cis autodrag posted:

yeah sure, you somehow managed to engineer a system that flawlessly executes even with a critical component unresponsive but you are dumb enough not to engineer it to not issue certs when that component is unresponsive.

These things are often related!

It's so robust it manages to function even in conditions where it clearly shouldn't. Wow, sounds like that person should get a raise.

Haquer
Nov 15, 2009

That windswept look...

hackbunny posted:

could you be any dumber (edgier?). "illegal" isn't in the ballpark of "not a right", it's not even the same game

i'm sure it's one of those "well humans did without encryption for years until now" trains of thought or whatever

which is provably false

prisoner of waffles
May 8, 2007

Ah! well a-day! what evil looks
Had I from old and young!
Instead of the cross, the fishmech
About my neck was hung.
External process stderr and stdout mashed together
Exit code not checked
"Let me just use a regular expression to pull the thing I care about"

Robust computing genius

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

Vehicular Manslaughter!

Pillbug

prisoner of waffles posted:

External process stderr and stdout mashed together
Exit code not checked
"Let me just use a regular expression to pull the thing I care about"

Robust computing genius

also blaming the switch to 64 bit like it hasn't been a loving decade

surebet
Jan 10, 2013

avatar
specialist


security fuckup of the day: just got an email from my sister containing two things, "hey why idn't this working?" and a high res photo of some medical network login dialog with the creds in plain text

:cripes:

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum

Cocoa Crispies posted:

also blaming the switch to 64 bit like it hasn't been a loving decade
also that they did exactly zero loving testing, they just up and decided one day they were going to upgrade this server

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

Vehicular Manslaughter!

Pillbug
oh or regex-bashing the output of dig as if using your language's dns library is somehow more difficult

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth
love 2 make system calls in my business app

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum

Workaday Wizard
Oct 23, 2009

by Pragmatica
gently caress the uae and gently caress their war on yemen

https://twitter.com/buenen/status/908244882610900992

LP0 ON FIRE
Jan 25, 2006

beep boop

Shinku ABOOKEN posted:

gently caress the uae and gently caress their war on yemen

https://twitter.com/buenen/status/908244882610900992

is it surprising he's using a hotmail email address? i guess it's secure as anything else

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006

prisoner of waffles posted:

External process stderr and stdout mashed together
Exit code not checked
"Let me just use a regular expression to pull the thing I care about"

Robust computing genius

that's the unix philosophy!

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

Cocoa Crispies posted:

oh or regex-bashing the output of dig as if using your language's dns library is somehow more difficult

if your language is C# there's no way to get CAA records without P/Invoke within .NET. Python also requires a 3rd party library.

dealing with records other than A/AAAA can actually be more work. it used to be even worse, but SPF's use of TXT spurred interest in supporting it

McGlockenshire
Dec 16, 2005

GOLLOCKS!

Subjunctive posted:

if your language is C# there's no way to get CAA records without P/Invoke within .NET. Python also requires a 3rd party library.

dealing with records other than A/AAAA can actually be more work. it used to be even worse, but SPF's use of TXT spurred interest in supporting it

wait are you seriously telling me that the standard dns libraries for .net and python don't have the ability to just get all the records belonging to a host? you've been able to do this with PHP since the beginning of time

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

McGlockenshire posted:

wait are you seriously telling me that the standard dns libraries for .net and python don't have the ability to just get all the records belonging to a host? you've been able to do this with PHP since the beginning of time

that is what I'm telling you

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

McGlockenshire posted:

wait are you seriously telling me that the standard dns libraries for .net and python don't have the ability to just get all the records belonging to a host? you've been able to do this with PHP since the beginning of time

it's the same C win32 function though

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

Vehicular Manslaughter!

Pillbug

McGlockenshire posted:

wait are you seriously telling me that the standard dns libraries for .net and python don't have the ability to just get all the records belonging to a host? you've been able to do this with PHP since the beginning of time

yeah piling on because ruby & erlang both ship with this, but they're not as amateur hour as python and .net

SeaborneClink
Aug 27, 2010

MAWP... MAWP!
Remember when Equifax was a root CA and then sold their CA to Symantec :allears:

https://twitter.com/GossiTheDog/status/908359849850875905

Deep Dish Fuckfest
Sep 6, 2006

Advanced
Computer Touching


Toilet Rascal
50/50 on the private key somehow being all zeros

spit on my clit
Jul 19, 2015

by Cyrano4747
equifax just gets more owned as the days go by, and no other companies will learn from their mistakes.

Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki

surebet posted:

security fuckup of the day: just got an email from my sister containing two things, "hey why idn't this working?" and a high res photo of some medical network login dialog with the creds in plain text

most peoples' approach to credentials and cryptographic secrets is "it's okay to send this to a third party i don't think is malicious" because they have no concept of their assumptions being wrong and no understanding that third parties are privy to these communications. customers send us their certificate private keys on a daily basis unrequested because they think it will aid in solving their problem.

if it's any consolation about half of those think the certificate itself is the private key, and have no idea where their private key is.


wtf is good and favorable.

SeaborneClink
Aug 27, 2010

MAWP... MAWP!

spit on my clit posted:

equifax just gets more owned as the days go by, and no other companies will learn from their mistakes.

https://doublepulsar.com/apache-struts-and-the-three-leading-us-credit-agencies-7c2bf1c9661e

:laugh:

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

Looking forward to this guy being blamed for everything by the feds.

Daman
Oct 28, 2011
a bunch of people are legitimately just posting screenshots of them exploiting the vulnerability on companies

maybe the feds should stop them

Agile Vector
May 21, 2007

scrum bored



Haquer posted:

i'm sure it's one of those "well humans did without encryption for years until now" trains of thought or whatever

which is provably false

look over 2000 years just isnt a good track record, look how lovely these roman ciphers are!

Agile Vector
May 21, 2007

scrum bored



mods change my name to shifty julius

surebet
Jan 10, 2013

avatar
specialist


https://twitter.com/MoritzWittmann/status/908319633660416001

i'm looking forward to the fallout of the first company ballsy enough to willingly make orders through a tv ad, although it apparently has happened accidentally before, at small scale:
http://gizmodo.com/tv-report-on-accidental-amazon-orders-triggers-attempte-1790958217

i mean if you want to have a thing that'll spy on you and make shopping lists that's fine, but why in the hell would you give it authoritative access to your money

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

Daman posted:

a bunch of people are legitimately just posting screenshots of them exploiting the vulnerability on companies

maybe the feds should stop them

is it illegal if it's your data you're accessing anyway??

but yeah, feds should stop the companies from doing dumb poo poo somehow. maybe just jail all ceos preemptively

Max Facetime
Apr 18, 2009

surebet posted:

the larger issue is that this happened in the wake of last year's failed coup in turkey where some revolutionaries did in fact use bylock, however it's download and use was made illegal retroactively in an effort to root out participants not already detained.

the sad part is that the app was a piece of poo poo

what is this app supposed to do, really? allow you to pretend you are living in a European Union country? prevent government repression of the users of the app? make the government more better and all good? none of which will occur without cooperation from the Turkish government

an encrypted communications app in the EU is just snake oil. for the Turkish it's snake venom

Haquer posted:

i'm sure it's one of those "well humans did without encryption for years until now" trains of thought or whatever

which is provably false

modern encryption is something computers do, not humans. ergo it's not a human right

ErIog
Jul 11, 2001

:nsacloud:

Max Facetime posted:

modern encryption is something computers do, not humans. ergo it's not a human right

The right to privacy seems pretty key, but :shrugemoji:

You are an absurd person.

Modern security is something locks do, not humans. ergo it's not a human right to not be made to quarter troops in your house.

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

I haven't been on SA for years but the person who gave me my previous av as a joke felt guilty for doing so and decided to get me a non-shitty av

surebet posted:

i mean if you want to have a thing that'll spy on you and make shopping lists that's fine, but why in the hell would you give it authoritative access to your money

ask the many, many yosposters who own one

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

I haven't been on SA for years but the person who gave me my previous av as a joke felt guilty for doing so and decided to get me a non-shitty av

Max Facetime posted:

modern encryption is something computers do, not humans. ergo it's not a human right

communicating with other people is something people do you gigantic boob

Agile Vector
May 21, 2007

scrum bored



hackbunny posted:

ask the many, many yosposters who own one

first time i saw someone demo it with their bank accounts i was like lol that is just waiting for fraud galore

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Serious Hardware / Software Crap > YOSPOS > Security Fuckup Megathread - v14.1 - modern encryption is something computers do

Babies Getting Rabies
Apr 21, 2007

Sugartime Jones

Max Facetime posted:

modern encryption is something computers do, not humans. ergo it's not a human right

and by the way, a=a, so checkmate guys

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。

hackbunny posted:

ask the many, many yosposters who own one

yeah, but you're a paranoid moron if you think that those devices aren't always recording and sending data back home or if you don't want to unlock your phone with your visage

my light bulbs have their own dns! I FUKKEN LOVE TECHNOLOGY

Wiggly Wayne DDS
Sep 11, 2010



Babies Getting Rabies posted:

did we already talk about how comodo ignores caa and just issues certificates despite caa records for those domains not authorizing them to do so?
there's a minor update on this: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1398545#c14

quote:

Hi Gerv. Upon closer investigation just now, I (re)discovered that dig's +sigchase option is only available if BIND has been built with -DDIG_SIGCHASE.

We specified -DDIG_SIGCHASE when we deployed BIND 9.10.1-P2 for our original CAA checking implementation, but presumably our ops team did not specify -DDIG_SIGCHASE when they chose to deploy BIND 9.10.5-P1 at the time of the server upgrade.

So the +sigchase option wasn't removed by the BIND developers in a micro-point release.

It would be nice if the BIND developers would set -DDIG_SIGCHASE by default though, to avoid the nasty trap that our ops team fell into. https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/47033 describes another victim.

startcom are having some trouble gaining trust back: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/mozilla.dev.security.policy/hNOJJrN6WfE/5i46-wV5AAAJ

quote:

* Certnomis chose to cross-sign StartCom while StartCom had audits with significant qualifications, and allowed them to recommence publicly-trusted issuance before they had demonstrated to Mozilla that they had met the remediation conditions required. While this may not have been against the letter of our requirements for StartCom to restart trusted operations, we feel it was not in the spirit of them.
...
We should add the existing Certnomis cross-signs to OneCRL to revoke all the existing certificates. As of 10th August (now a month ago) StartCom said they have 50000 outstanding SSL certs which are valid due to the Certnomis cross-sign. Revoking them all by adding intermediates to OneCRL would therefore lead to non-negligible disruption. But these were issued by an org whose most recent audits are qualified, which is under sanction, and about whose issuance practices and process safety there is a reasonable amount of doubt. We may allow a grace period for customers to replace them with certs from a trusted provider.

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Agile Vector
May 21, 2007

scrum bored



Phone posted:

yeah, but you're a paranoid moron if you think that those devices aren't always recording and sending data back home or if you don't want to unlock your phone with your visage

my light bulbs have their own dns! I FUKKEN LOVE TECHNOLOGY

lol if you arent already forcing all dns requests to your own server in a battle against your own devices

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