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WHOOPS posted:https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/908736118119698432 I'm sorry for giving you guys false hope that you'd get 3 more weeks out of him
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Bradford (and Barr and Rhodes) are all listed as questionable for Sunday but expected to play vs the Steelers. Any of those guys being out dramatically reduces any chance the Vikings have to win.
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Sep 15, 2017 21:20
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IcePhoenix posted:Yeah, it's a pretty big jump from "good teams don't blow leads" to "good teams don't lose" Yeah, but in both cases it's silly to conflate "good teams" and "good quarterbacks". It is awfully cherry-picky, the linked article mentions Rodgers has two comebacks from being down 1. Why not just say he's 2-35 overall?
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Sep 15, 2017 21:57
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Packers have not won a SINGLE GAME in games where they have lost. Rodgers is DONE and a FRAUD
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Sep 15, 2017 22:04
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Johnny Five-Jaces posted:Packers have not won a SINGLE GAME in games where they have lost. Rodgers is DONE and a FRAUD You can quote me on this: RG3 will be a better QB than Rodgers.
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Sep 15, 2017 22:18
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Strong and cool Matthew Stafford has beaten the Green Bay Packers three times in his career, meanwhile lowly Aaron Rodgers has not beaten the Packers even one time!
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Sep 15, 2017 23:02
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I did a search to see what Aaron Rodger's WL vs winning teams was and here's what I found:code:It's a pro-Lions site trying to argue that Stafford's 5-46 against winning teams is a bogus stat, but I think the above is pretty damning. No one said that in order to be a good quarterback you had to have a positive ratio, but it should be better than 10%. Stafford's 5-46 is abysmal. Rodgers's 21-29 isn't great. Tom Brady's 50-33 is godlike. Russell Wilson's 19-12 is bullshit.
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I bet Cutler has a winning records for winning teams that aren't the packers although who cares mitch trubinsky has zero losses now that's what I'm talking about baby
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LabyaMynora posted:I did a search to see what Aaron Rodger's WL vs winning teams was and here's what I found: So are you suggesting that Russel Wilson is a better quarterback than Aaron Rodgers? Wins are a team statistic, and don't necessarily reflect on the abilities of the quarterback-especially when the rest of the roster is garbage. Stafford came into the league on the worst team in NFL history, playing against three different playoff contenders twice a year. Of course Stafford has a bad record against good teams, because the Lions were a bad team for a long time, and a highly inconsistent for years after that. If you think Stafford's a bad QB, fine, and show me why you think he is. Don't just say "Oh well a 5-46 record is unacceptable" when any Lions fan will agree that the team was utter garbage Stafford's first few years (With 2011 being an overperformance against a soft schedule), and that the record would likely be 0-51 if it wasn't for Stafford's ability.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:So are you suggesting that Russel Wilson is a better quarterback than Aaron Rodgers? Wins are a team statistic, and don't necessarily reflect on the abilities of the quarterback-especially when the rest of the roster is garbage. Stafford came into the league on the worst team in NFL history, playing against three different playoff contenders twice a year. Of course Stafford has a bad record against good teams, because the Lions were a bad team for a long time, and a highly inconsistent for years after that. What's Stafford's record against winning teams if you limit for only years where the Lions were good?
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SKULL.GIF posted:What's Stafford's record against winning teams if you limit for only years where the Lions were good? Lions.... Good?
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SKULL.GIF posted:What's Stafford's record against winning teams if you limit for only years where the Lions were good? #DIV/0! error
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186 posted:Two guaranteed wins against the Packers. Are you SV after a namechange? I've been off the forums for a year or so and now I hardly recognize people outside of the Eliminator thread 
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SKULL.GIF posted:What's Stafford's record against winning teams if you limit for only years where the Lions were good? If you limit it to winning seasons, 2-17 (0-6 2011, 1-5 2014, 1-6 2016) Or, more accurately, augias posted:Lions.... Good? Edit: If you limit it to just the past three Caldwell years (Overall record: 27-23), you end up with a 3-18 record against winning teams. Progress! 
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Sep 16, 2017 00:54
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Acebuckeye13 posted:If you limit it to winning seasons, 2-17 (0-6 2011, 1-5 2014, 1-6 2016) Honestly, that's impressive in a way. The Stafford Lions reliably crush bad teams? How often do good teams inexplicably lose against inferior teams? Look at the 2011 Packers and 2007 Patriots. 10-0, 10-0, 8-1 in these three years against non-winning teams.
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They've beaten quite a few teams that went 8-8, including the Tebow Broncos. The only road win against a winning team was the 2015 Lambeau game, still one of the weirdest things I've ever seen.
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Sep 16, 2017 01:44
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Acebuckeye13 posted:So are you suggesting that Russel Wilson is a better quarterback than Aaron Rodgers? In my opinion, Russell Wilson is not a better QB than Aaron Rodgers, but he's a luckier one. As the saying goes, sometimes it's better to be lucky than good. The Fail Mary game alone swings one win from Russell to Aaron. I also don't think Matt Stafford is a bad QB, but I don't think he should be the highest paid player in the league or whatever. It seems ridiculous on its face. Yeah, you could say, well a lot of other teams would've paid him that, therefore that's his worth on the market. I don't think overpaying mediocre QBs and making them the highest player in the league is sustainable. It sucks enough when a Super Bowl winning QB like Flacco gets it, but now a guy who hasn't won a playoff game gets to be highest paid in the league? That's bullshit. Also - the argument that his team has sucked is suspect. He had Calvin Johnson and Suh, for example. Put those two players on the Packers and Aaron Rodgers would have 2 more rings.
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Sep 16, 2017 02:42
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The Lions consistently lose to every team that finishes better than them, and beat every team that finishes worse. Essentially, the Lions are perennially 9th in the NFC. When they get a strong schedule, they end up in 12th place, play other weak teams next year, and sneak into the playoffs, before the cycle begins anew.
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LabyaMynora posted:In my opinion, Russell Wilson is not a better QB than Aaron Rodgers, but he's a luckier one. As the saying goes, sometimes it's better to be lucky than good. The Fail Mary game alone swings one win from Russell to Aaron. Can you name literally any other player on the Lions from 2009 to 2013? Suh and Johnson were terrific players. They were also the only good players on the Lions aside from Stafford and the loving kicker, which is why the Lions went 4-12 even when Johnson was breaking the single-season receiving record. edit:  Jason Hanson
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Ziggy Ansah? Golden Tate? Cliff Avril? Did they have a RB named Abdullah that seemed good for a while? Or are they after 2013? I honestly don't know, not being sarcastic.
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Sep 16, 2017 03:03
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Can you name literally any other player on the Lions from 2009 to 2013? Suh and Johnson were terrific players. They were also the only good players on the Lions aside from Stafford and the loving kicker, which is why the Lions went 4-12 even when Johnson was breaking the single-season receiving record. kyle vanden bosch
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Sep 16, 2017 03:09
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The Lions haven't had an effective running game literally the entire time Stafford has played for them, nor have they had an effective defensive secondary for most, in not all of that time. He singlehandedly drug that team to wins last year, repeatedly. Is he overpaid, probably, but I don't understand what planet you're from to be arguing that he's "mediocre". I'd seriously consider the possibility that he's a Top 10 QB, regardless of the playoff results.
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LabyaMynora posted:Ziggy Ansah? Golden Tate? Cliff Avril? Did they have a RB named Abdullah that seemed good for a while? Or are they after 2013? I honestly don't know, not being sarcastic. All post-2013 except for Avril. I don't remember him being all that, but PFR has him getting 39.5 sacks and forcing 16 fumbles in his five years in Detroit, which probably makes him the best Lions defender of that era.
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LabyaMynora posted:Ziggy Ansah? Golden Tate? Cliff Avril? Did they have a RB named Abdullah that seemed good for a while? Or are they after 2013? I honestly don't know, not being sarcastic. Ziggy was drafted in 2013, replacing Avril when he left for the Seahawks that year. Tate was picked up in 2014, and Abdullah was drafted in 2015. Lions players from that period, however, include: -2010 1st Round Pick Jahvid Best, who played a season and a half before taking a career-ending concussion. -2011 2nd Round Pick Titus Young, who was a great #2 receiver until he started intentionally running the wrong routes because he thought he was better than Calvin Johnson and getting into fistfights in the locker room. Currently serving a prison sentence for armed robbery. -Four receivers in 2012 who weren't Calvin Johnson, none of whom you've heard of and none of which are still in the league (Though Kris Durham is currently playing in the Italian football league, good for him) -Long-running center Dominic "Good for a personal foul penalty right at the worst loving moment, every time" Raiola -As mentioned, the decaying corpse of Kyle Vanden Bosch -The constantly underperforming Nick Fairley, which in retrospect potentially makes more sense now considering his recently diagnosed debilitating heart condition So, yeah. Not exactly some talent-infused teams right there, to put it lightly. And the only reason why they were ever competitive to begin with was because of Stafford, especially in the early years. The man had a bad habit of throwing picks, but man, he just did not give up on games, and still doesn't. Is he worth $27 million a year? Debatable. Is he worth whatever price it takes to keep him on the Lions? Without loving question. Acebuckeye13 fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Sep 16, 2017 |
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Stafford's contract takes up a lower percentage of the salary cap than Flacco's post-Super Bowl one did. Honestly, he could have gotten more if he wanted. As long as the cap keeps going up it won't be a problem. Cue the cap never increasing again.
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Blotto Skorzany posted:Are you SV after a namechange? I've been off the forums for a year or so and now I hardly recognize people outside of the Eliminator thread nope that's Shaft after a namechange, the last remaining holder of the sparkcrotch avatar
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Stafford is worth $27m/year cause the alternative is having Not Stafford at QB.
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Blotto Skorzany posted:Are you SV after a namechange? I've been off the forums for a year or so and now I hardly recognize people outside of the Eliminator thread Nope, but I wish I was. Soothing Vapors posted:nope that's Shaft after a namechange, the last remaining holder of the sparkcrotch avatar 
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WHOOPS posted:Stafford is worth $27m/year cause the alternative is having Not Stafford at QB. Boat or mystery box
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LabyaMynora posted:I did a search to see what Aaron Rodger's WL vs winning teams was and here's what I found: Belicheck and Carroll good + coaches, McCarthy is not, and the revolving door of coaches Stafford has had to play with have not been. 
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OxySnake posted:Belicheck and Carroll good + coaches, McCarthy is not, and the revolving door of coaches Stafford has had to play with have not been. Revolving door? Two head coaches, and three offensive coordinators over eight season isn't all that unstable. Certainly not compared to the Millen years.
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WHOOPS posted:Stafford is worth $27m/year cause the alternative is having Not Stafford at QB. No kidding. You get a pretty good QB like Stafford you loving lock him down.
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In my mind it boils down to whether Stafford and 3-5 picks in the 15-20 range are worth more than 3-5 picks in the top three and the cap space. The Lions have done well with their last three high picks (Stafford, Suh and Megatron) but QBs are such a crapshoot it's probably not worth the risk. They could easily end up with another Joey Harrington.
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since we keep talk about stafford's record vs winning teams being so bad i figured cutler's would suck but he was 5-10 in denver and 12-37 in chicago, 17-47 overall woof thats a lot of losses
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1 more than Stafford. Not bad for having been drafted what, 3 or 4 years prior?
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Stafford is going 16-0, throwing 50+ TDs 5k yards, super bowl win this year. He will have only faced teams with losing records or 8-8, and meet all the 8-8 teams in the playoffs and super bowl to keep this dumb narrative going forever.
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Vikings promoted QB Kyle Slotet to active roster from practice squad. Sam Bradford remains questionable.
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Hizawk posted:Stafford is going 16-0, throwing 50+ TDs 5k yards, super bowl win this year. This is my heartfelt wish every year
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We get closer and closer to a Case Keenum start, and it's a good thing I might have something else to do that day.
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I'll be bummed if Bradford's out because obviously i'd like to win but this does feel like an ideal game to sit him as a precaution if they're that concerned about his knee. Early in the season, non-conference away game... not going to be bummed if they lose (since they're rightly an underdog even with Bradford). certainly the right kind of irony that last season, with a ravaged line that couldn't block anything, Bradford didn't miss a snap, and then in one game he has a flare up even though the protection held up great and he took no noticeable hits.
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