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Trivia posted:PJ, you may have posted this before but I'm going to ask anyway: how exactly did you come to find the SA forums? I've been lurking SA since '99 and registered my first account back in 2006. One of the odder quirks about my upbringing is that my family was sort of the designated tech-heads for the cult and as a result we always had (2nd hand but functional) computer equipment. I was one of the early adopters of the internet and have been involved in quite a few things that played a role in the emerging internet, from Vanilla EQ (which relatively few people played but has heavily influenced every MMO since then) to Chanology to the Ron Paul march that shut down a Wow server. (Not my idea but I was one of the officers and organizers.) To answer your question more literally I found SA when my buddy Joe showed me a picture of the cover of The Bearenstein Bears Go To Camp with stars of David photoshopped onto their shirts. 17 year old me thought that was the absolute height of comedy at the time. Edit: Looks like its dog tax time. Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Sep 16, 2017 |
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The last line of that bit only has only one response: Fffffffffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck Youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu! But then again I'm really not surprised that their stance is 'Give in to the terrorists' demands'
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Deteriorata posted:Rather than free-standing homes, would something like a managed care apartments with varying degrees of independence as they show the ability to handle it work? I actually went through a program like this in Portland. I was bad into drugs and alcohol and got to the point where i was sleeping in a tent for 5 months and i went to Central City Concern where they detoxed me from the heroin i was using, and placed me in a transitional SRO room. I had a case manager, i had to do outpatient addiction treatment with regular counseling sessions and UA's. There was a clinic in the building if anyone had medical issues. I was forced to go to NA/AA meetings(have to get those 3 signatures a week!) but i slowly found friends in the meetings, and have stayed clean since i went through detox. Now i have a good job, a great life and all it took was 8 months of someone giving a poo poo and saying yes when i asked for help.
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Fragmented posted:I actually went through a program like this in Portland. I was bad into drugs and alcohol and got to the point where i was sleeping in a tent for 5 months and i went to Central City Concern where they detoxed me from the heroin i was using, and placed me in a transitional SRO room. I had a case manager, i had to do outpatient addiction treatment with regular counseling sessions and UA's. There was a clinic in the building if anyone had medical issues. I was forced to go to NA/AA meetings(have to get those 3 signatures a week!) but i slowly found friends in the meetings, and have stayed clean since i went through detox. Congrats on being able to turn things around in your life!
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Fragmented posted:I actually went through a program like this in Portland. I was bad into drugs and alcohol and got to the point where i was sleeping in a tent for 5 months and i went to Central City Concern where they detoxed me from the heroin i was using, and placed me in a transitional SRO room. I had a case manager, i had to do outpatient addiction treatment with regular counseling sessions and UA's. There was a clinic in the building if anyone had medical issues. I was forced to go to NA/AA meetings(have to get those 3 signatures a week!) but i slowly found friends in the meetings, and have stayed clean since i went through detox. I am so very happy to hear that you turned things around <3 It is a genuinely great accomplishment
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Thanks! I forgot to mention they also had an employment program. You would start as a volunteer for 80 hours working for different places like the parks department or meals on wheels, then you would get hooked up with an employment specialist that would help you get a job. Everyone i know that went through the program and stayed sober is now housed and working. We pay half our salary's in rent because it's Portland but gently caress it, we were saved.
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https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/909102442083700736
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botany posted:https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/15/...WT.nav=top-news
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Fragmented posted:
This is great! I'm really proud of you! I quit drinking in June, and I'm glad I did. I was becoming a straight alcoholic. Election night I drank myself to sleep and then I woke up and drank another pint and then did the same thing the next day. I seriously went on a three day depression bender.
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God drat, I'm driving through the suburbs in St. Louis and I'm having to detour around one of these road-closing protests. This traffic is taking for-ev-er, I swear to god if I ever actually get close enough to see the protesters, I'm gonna hit the gas and ram my way through these loving ni oh it's a fall festival parade, wish I hadn't forgotten about it that would've been fun to watch.
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https://twitter.com/donmoyn/status/909084879115218944 she's running
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Koalas March posted:This is great! I'm really proud of you! Not to downplay your narrowly-avoided alcoholism but I don't think the first couple days after election night can be used as too strong a guide for that, you sure as poo poo weren't the only one I can tell you that from memories of hangover. Also Fragmented I'm real glad for you! That poo poo can't have been even a tiny bit easy. This Juggalo kid got a better comprehension of what Makes America Great than a hell of a lot of other people do
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The Economist posted a review of Clinton's book about her loss. It's hard on her as most of the other criticism (and herself, apparently) are, but it also states that she is essentially correct and ends with an ominous 'policy only matters to Democrats' which is evident but if these threads are anything to go on we're hosed. https://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21728958-her-diagnosis-why-she-lost-broadly-correct-hillary-clintons-book-contains-warning quote:MANY Democrats were dreading Hillary Clinton’s chronicle of electoral failure, “What Happened”, which was published this week. The former First Lady was always more admired than loved by her party (a dirty secret that even the slickest Clinton-style stage-management of her rallies could not conceal), and her defeat by Donald Trump eroded much of that grudging regard. Worse for her resentful supporters, in post-election interviews and leaked excerpts of the book, Mrs Clinton appeared to blame everyone but herself for her loss—including Senator Bernie Sanders, her rival in a rancorous primary contest that still divides the Trump-bruised Democrats. Many considered that disloyal. “If I were her, I would move on,” advised David Axelrod, a Democratic guru. A columnist for the New York Daily News was more forthright: “Hey, Hillary Clinton, shut the f--- up and go away already.” Boon fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Sep 16, 2017 |
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Taerkar posted:The last line of that bit only has only one response: So the police are literally forbidden by state law from banning guns at these things, they aren't wrong about that. Remember, VA is one of the most progressive states in the south but when it comes to guns it's basically anarchy. The cops were being deliberately overcautious and as it turned out basically no Confederates showed up; there were a tiny handful who got jeered at by the crowd and then their tires got slashed and they had to call a tow truck and go home. Then a couple more showed up late and got told their friends already left. So turns out transforming my neighborhood into the loving Green Zone wasn't really needed, but better safe than sorry I guess. All in all it was an appropriate end; after all, the last time a bunch of Confederates were in Richmond, they did a bunch of property damage then ran away. This was just payback.
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Quorum posted:So the police are literally forbidden by state law from banning guns at these things, they aren't wrong about that. Remember, VA is one of the most progressive states in the south but when it comes to guns it's basically anarchy. The cops were being deliberately overcautious and as it turned out basically no Confederates showed up; there were a tiny handful who got jeered at by the crowd and then their tires got slashed and they had to call a tow truck and go home. Then a couple more showed up late and got told their friends already left. So turns out transforming my neighborhood into the loving Green Zone wasn't really needed, but better safe than sorry I guess. So their racist rally today was a huge dud? Good to hear.
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Quorum posted:So the police are literally forbidden by state law from banning guns at these things, they aren't wrong about that. Remember, VA is one of the most progressive states in the south but when it comes to guns it's basically anarchy. The cops were being deliberately overcautious and as it turned out basically no Confederates showed up; there were a tiny handful who got jeered at by the crowd and then their tires got slashed and they had to call a tow truck and go home. Then a couple more showed up late and got told their friends already left. So turns out transforming my neighborhood into the loving Green Zone wasn't really needed, but better safe than sorry I guess. Glad to hear things turned out ok.
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Quorum posted:So the police are literally forbidden by state law from banning guns at these things, they aren't wrong about that. Remember, VA is one of the most progressive states in the south but when it comes to guns it's basically anarchy. The cops were being deliberately overcautious and as it turned out basically no Confederates showed up; there were a tiny handful who got jeered at by the crowd and then their tires got slashed and they had to call a tow truck and go home. Then a couple more showed up late and got told their friends already left. So turns out transforming my neighborhood into the loving Green Zone wasn't really needed, but better safe than sorry I guess. Not that I don't believe you, but where are you getting this?
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Potato Salad posted:Not that I don't believe you, but where are you getting this? Get what? The account of the events on the ground? From friends present, and also local news. The Virginia statute preventing localities from doing any gun control beyond the extremely lax state standard is here. Quorum fucked around with this message at 19:41 on Sep 16, 2017 |
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I can confirm the jugallo hugging is not a recent creation thing since I worked with one (he wasn't allowed to wear facepaint on the job or at the live in faclity) in 2007 when I did a year contract for the California Conservation Corps. He was a nice Juggalo to work with and he shined the best at running the chainsaws when we had a CalTrans issued job order.
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Jaxyon posted:Nobody said giving people the homeless was a panacea they said it was a starting point and given your other poo poo opinions you making a strawman isn't really a surprise so don't act all shocked. People keep bringing up the Utah study like it's a straightforward explanation bothers me. Patting themselves on the back that "Utah solved homelessness 91%" like the answer has been staring us in the face all along and the only reason we haven't done it is because of Capitalism or elected officials being secretly Ebenezer Scrooge or whatever. But it isn't true, the real story is the government redefining success, a tale as old as time. That fucks with the narrative though, the idea that everything has a simple, satisfying solution. The truth is that 91% of the people on the street aren't necessarily going to be ready or able to transition back. I'm no more the bad guy than the bank teller who informs you that you don't have enough money in your account. Deteriorata posted:Rather than free-standing homes, would something like a managed care apartments with varying degrees of independence as they show the ability to handle it work? That's the fundamental paradox: creating a safe environment where people can get their lives back together is going to require rules for the safety and success of everyone, and the people who need the most help are going to be the least able to follow those rules. What you are proposing is will be expensive (24/7 staff, food, utilities, linens, administration, medications), and if you want to make room for those you can help, you're going to have to cut the problematic ones loose, back to the street, the police, the mental hospitals.
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marathon Stairmaster sesh posted:He was a nice Juggalo to work with and he shined the best at running the chainsaws when we had a CalTrans issued job order. Something tells me that this exact praise would make said person and every other juggalo insanely happy. GG
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Koalas March posted:This is great! I'm really proud of you! lol, just lol if your election day bender ended already.
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Dead Reckoning posted:People keep bringing up the Utah study like it's a straightforward explanation bothers me. Patting themselves on the back that "Utah solved homelessness 91%" like the answer has been staring us in the face all along and the only reason we haven't done it is because of Capitalism or elected officials being secretly Ebenezer Scrooge or whatever. But it isn't true, the real story is the government redefining success, a tale as old as time. That fucks with the narrative though, the idea that everything has a simple, satisfying solution. The truth is that 91% of the people on the street aren't necessarily going to be ready or able to transition back. And I, for one, sure am glad you had a blog post from a dude working for conservative think tank to back that up. The post wasn't even sourced, so I had to dive into the report, and it turns out his argument about the second drop is speculative and unsourced. You easily could have said that the 91% number is inaccurate and left it at that, but instead you pulled some sleight-of-hand garbage. Congratulations on furthering your reputation as a disingenuous piece of poo poo.
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Hi. Just wondering if you were going to respond to anything I posted on this subject as an actual human being with a mental illness that has gone through exactly the scenario you are commenting on here. For the record I think "housing first" with heavy follow-up and supervised housing for those unable to handle living on their own is a great way to go about things. Also it is my stance that in order for many people to become truly functional they require the stability of regular housing in order to do the kind of therapy/medication work necessary in order to gain full independence. I explained that all in my post, just repeating it here and wondering what your reaction is to my stance on things. FWIW I lived for over two years in Haven for Hope so I'm quite confident I can more than match your horror stories tit-for-tat.
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Mister Adequate posted:Not to downplay your narrowly-avoided alcoholism but I don't think the first couple days after election night can be used as too strong a guide for that, you sure as poo poo weren't the only one I can tell you that from memories of hangover. Well I mean since the the new year I was drinking at least a pint almost every day. I got super drunk one night and had a meltdown about a person in my life, I broke a TV etc. It was very bad and I never want to do that again.
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Koalas March posted:Well I mean since the the new year I was drinking at least a pint almost every day. I got super drunk one night and had a meltdown about a person in my life, I broke a TV etc. It was very bad and I never want to do that again. It's sold everywhere, some people have no problem - but that's a pretty awful potion if you dive in facefirst. Good on you.
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I'm starting to see discussion about Graham-Cassidy gaining traction; McConnell wants to prioritize it before Sep 30th and Cassidy says he has 49 votes right now... Thoughts? I know what Rand Paul said, but he's flipped his vote on this before.
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Dead Reckoning posted:What you are proposing is will be expensive (24/7 staff, food, utilities, linens, administration, medications), and if you want to make room for those you can help, you're going to have to cut the problematic ones loose, back to the street, the police, the mental hospitals. You're framing your argument as if these things are free you loving vermin. Go crawl back into your filthy hole.
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Remember when the list of people that yall shouldn't engage with because they defended nazis or killer cops? Then they deleted it and within the same hour, it was proved why we needed it? Fun times all around.
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berserker posted:I'm starting to see discussion about Graham-Cassidy gaining traction; McConnell wants to prioritize it before Sep 30th and Cassidy says he has 49 votes right now... If I recall correctly, Cassidy stated it was 48-49, and that this was an optimistic projection on his part somewhat hampered by the immediate stances taken by a few senators. Collins, Murkowski and Paul are their big "No's" here, though Murkowski is probably the Senator in need of the most constituent pressure, if only because Collins and Paul are really obvious in their opposition. The thing about Paul's here is that he can't really walk back on the kind of statements he's made here without rewriting the bill, and that requires the CBO score to come out first. While they want to try and get the scoring done in a week, it's not all that likely, although admittedly not impossible. Even then, making enough satisfying revisions, especially with what we've seen come out, is a task all of its own. All that said, this does feel like something we should be having more of a discussion about.
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Koalas March posted:Remember when the list of people that yall shouldn't engage with because they defended nazis or killer cops? Then they deleted it and within the same hour, it was proved why we needed it? Fun times all around. I thought people don't read OPs
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This stupid bill is like that one final boss where you just barely beat the fifth form after a grueling fight, see that it has a sixth form, and just shout "gently caress, won't it die already?!". Except life isn't a video game and people will really die if you lose.
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Frankly I'm just restating some of the explanations laid out by posters in the Healthcare thread and earlier on in Trumpthread as to why Graham-Cassidy is something of a longshot. It's never, ever wise to assume something is not going to happen just because you feel it won't, so it's worth being proactive here. It has a lot that was evil from the last bills - defunding planned parenthood, the return of pre-existing conditions and so forth - so there are a lot of sticking points to work with if you have a Senator where that is relevant. Or if you don't. It's the GOP after all. Alaska goons are probably in the best position to have some influence, maybe. Murkowski got a lot of positive reception for voting against the last bill, but it's smarter to assume that doesn't necessarily stick up to this point, even with all the toxic garbage loaded into Graham-Cassidy.
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RuanGacho posted:I thought people don't read OPs I thought reading the OP was a rule back in the day? We need to do that again.
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Ruan I would deeply appreciate it if you could slap the topic of Graham-Cassidy into the op that nobody reads.
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Koalas March posted:I thought reading the OP was a rule back in the day? We need to do that again. The classiest Storm. I don't know, I'm not all that inclined to make a list of posters I feel post in bad faith because I just don't really believe in that.I think the forums are better served by letting people incriminate themselves and earn red texts to a point. There are a few I would just ban on repeat offence though.
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RuanGacho posted:The classiest Storm. I would like to take this opening to say that Guyovich has been doing good work since he's been back! I think sometimes people slip through because they don't get reported. This why reporting shitheads is important!
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The problem is the people who repeatedly post in bad faith forever. There's no point in having a discussion if that's what's going on, and it derails other potential good conversation.
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Office Pig posted:Ruan I would deeply appreciate it if you could slap the topic of Graham-Cassidy into the op that nobody reads. I have added two articles about this to the top of the OP as a new hot topic section to help draw attention to it, Namaste. Lemming posted:The problem is the people who repeatedly post in bad faith forever. There's no point in having a discussion if that's what's going on, and it derails other potential good conversation. I will do my best to report the baddies, we fight entropy itself as in all things. RuanGacho fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Sep 16, 2017 |
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