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Sep 18, 2017 21:25
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Lobok posted:Clark Kent isn't a cover story for Superman. Snowglobe of Doom posted:There was a great scene in a recent comic about the first time that Superman, Wonder Woman and Batman met. Wonder Woman got them all to hold her golden lasso and reveal their true names: MoS Superman ain't your comic book Superman. For one, he's smiling. Two, MoS Clark is obviously reborn as Kal-el and the last vestiges of his human life are stripped away when he finds his real father, and real purpose. The Clark persona is his prison of repression that was forced on him by his foster father, he sheds that part when he runs away from home. In MoS Clark is the mask he picks up at the end of the movie as cover for a shoehorned bit of comic fan service which isn't aligned with the character established in the movie at all.
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Sep 18, 2017 22:26
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Barudak posted:Batmans super power is networking Something to pass on to Oracle
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Sep 18, 2017 22:29
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Barudak posted:Batmans super power is networking And money.
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Sep 18, 2017 22:41
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Goffer posted:MoS Superman ain't your comic book Superman. i'm afraid you're too late on the 'pretend to be lex luthor' gimmick, lejackal did that for months when the movie came out
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Sep 18, 2017 23:08
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How do you think he stays so rich? He doesnt even run the day to day business of his company and instead he has a personally handpicked and vetted friend do it, does none of his own r&d and instead contracts that out a bottom rate prices due to connections, has the most proteges of any super hero, has an international group of associates on his beck and call, never forgets a name or face, his only use of his Bruce Wayne persona is to go to fancy charity dinners,and his primary method of resolving long term social ills is through the creation of foundations staffed by people he has personally schmoozed with.
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Sep 18, 2017 23:10
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I think you guys might be overthinking “I thought she was with you” thing a little bit. Batman sees this woman drop out of the sky and save his bacon, immediately followed up by Superman showing up out of the sky and pushing Doomsday into a bunch of gas tanks. Because Superman wasn’t there when Wonder Woman showed up and she just told him “I’ve killed things from other worlds before” (which think about how either dude could read that statement), Superman asks Batman “is she with you?”, since she’s standing right in front of Bruce and has been since Supes came back down from space. Batman, who just saw the both of them come out of the sky, turns to Superman and is like “I thought she was with you”. It’s pretty straightforward. edit: and yet it still fits the textual idea of what DC’s Trinity is - she’s not with either of them, of course, she occupies the space between Batman and Superman philosophically, and in the case of the frame in the hero shot, quite literally. The Cameo fucked around with this message at 23:31 on Sep 18, 2017 |
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Sep 18, 2017 23:28
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Matthew Vaughn also told to Collider what he would do for Supermanquote:“Weirdly if I did do Superman—and I made the mistake of telling someone yesterday I have spoken about it and then wallop (laughs)—I think my main take would be, it’s really boring but make a Superman film. I just don’t feel a proper Superman—I think Donner did it to perfection for that time. Just doing the modern—I wanna do a modern version of the Donner [version]. Go back to the source material… For me Superman is color, feel-good, heroic. He’s a beacon of light in darkness. And that’s what I think Superman should be.”
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Sep 19, 2017 00:24
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quote:He’s a beacon of light in darkness. I'm glad he wants to continue this theme from MoS and BvS.
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Sep 19, 2017 00:26
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gently caress Donner. He died ten years ago let him rest
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Sep 19, 2017 00:28
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It's depressing that even someone as creative and interesting as Vaughn has such a loving boring vision for Superman.
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Sep 19, 2017 00:36
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I doubt he knows much about the character's history. Pretty much any Superman fan can tell you that Mr. Perfect Daddy Superman is death for audience interest. It's the kind of thing that a "fan" who knows the character through a t-shirt and Donner's films says that they love, without realizing the consequences. Anyway, the good news is that, in our current comic book landscape, Power Fantasy Smiling Superman would be rebooted faster than Spider-Man was.
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Sep 19, 2017 00:41
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Vaughn is speaking my language. I hope he makes it.
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Sep 19, 2017 00:54
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I think every story seems really simple as an outline, until you actually try to execute. I realised this when I had a go at writing a revenge story, a pretty straightforward sub-genre. Until you have to fill in the specifics. Superman is the same deal. So, he's perfect, morally. What story do you tell with that character? CelticPredator posted:Vaughn is speaking my language. I hope he makes it. This is going to sound meaner than I intend it, but I'm really glad you're not the decision maker here.
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Sep 19, 2017 00:56
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I'm also really glad none of you are the decision makers.
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Sep 19, 2017 00:59
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I mean, that film exists, and it's called Superman Returns, and it was made by a guy Matthew Vaughn has worked very closely with.
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Sep 19, 2017 01:01
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josh04 posted:I mean, that film exists, and it's called Superman Returns, and it was made by a guy Matthew Vaughn has worked very closely with. Actual Donner Superman worshippers would tell you that Singer's version fails because Superman is a "creepy stalker" in it. That's right! Literally the only interesting thing he does in that movie is bad, because it shows him being less than perfect and doing something morally ambiguous and uncomfortable. So let's erase that and have 30 more minutes off bullets bouncing off eyeballs to remind you that, yes, Superman cannot be harmed.
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Sep 19, 2017 01:04
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We've already had two Man of Steel toned movies. So let's go for another style.
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Sep 19, 2017 01:05
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Snyder's experience directing car commercials and music videos makes him exceptional at realizing cliches. For example, his pitch for Superman is exactly the same, but he's skipped the first principles and just made the video for Joan Osborne's "What If God Was One Of Us?"
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Sep 19, 2017 01:06
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CelticPredator posted:We've already had two Man of Steel toned movies. So let's go for another style. We've already had three Donner-toned movies. So let's go for another style.
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Sep 19, 2017 01:07
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I agree. Lets go for Vaughn's uplifting style.
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Sep 19, 2017 01:08
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CelticPredator posted:I agree. Lets go for Vaughn's uplifting style. He literally says he's going to do a Donner pastiche in the interview.
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Sep 19, 2017 01:10
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He can do Tommy Wiseau pastiche and it would still be great. Vaughn hasn't let me down yet.
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Sep 19, 2017 01:12
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Yeah, lets go for something different by replicating a movie that came out in the 70s. I'm also hoping they do something interesting with the Batman movies, by copying the cartoon from the 90s.
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Sep 19, 2017 01:13
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Snowman_McK posted:I think every story seems really simple as an outline, until you actually try to execute. I realised this when I had a go at writing a revenge story, a pretty straightforward sub-genre. Until you have to fill in the specifics. Superman is the same deal. He's uncompromising and destroys all tools of oppression and inequality and brings humans back to the stone age. Then reeducates everyone to be pacifist.
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Sep 19, 2017 01:14
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Based on his previous superhero and comic book movie work, I'm interested in how sexual and maybe even homoerotic Vaughn can make his Superman movie.
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Sep 19, 2017 01:15
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got any sevens posted:He's uncompromising and destroys all tools of oppression and inequality and brings humans back to the stone age. Then reeducates everyone to be pacifist. This movie would in fact be fantastic. Like that episode of Futurama where Bender becomes wood, but longer. And probably more expensive.
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Sep 19, 2017 01:17
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CelticPredator posted:We've already had two Man of Steel toned movies. So let's go for another style. A style that's been dominant for 40 years? Listen, I like the Donner movies, but holy poo poo do we need new voices for Superman. I would absolutely love it if a woman or a person of color directed a Superman movie, but at this point I'll take Edgar Wright or George Miller.
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Sep 19, 2017 01:18
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What if the woman made it optimistic instead of dark. What then CD!
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Sep 19, 2017 01:19
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CelticPredator posted:What if the woman made it optimistic instead of dark. What then CD! I wouldn't say those two are mutually exclusive.
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Sep 19, 2017 01:22
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The Snyder movies are optimistic.
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Sep 19, 2017 01:22
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the 'snyder's superman films aren't optimistic' meme
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Sep 19, 2017 01:23
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CelticPredator posted:What if the woman made it optimistic instead of dark. What then CD! Well, we've already had two really optimistic movies, Man of Steel and Batman Vs Superman that were also dark, which sort of suggests you're proposing a false dichotomy.
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Sep 19, 2017 01:23
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Gorn Myson posted:The Snyder movies are optimistic. Yeah, I'd definitely call Man of Steel optimistic at the very least. I wouldn't call it dark either.
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Sep 19, 2017 01:23
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I love Superman: The Movie and really like Superman Returns, so I'm not against something in that style. Vaughan specifically mentioning Donner does make it feel tired though.
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Sep 19, 2017 01:25
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Also Superman the movie had some heavy sexual themes running through the whole thing. Just, the entire Lois/Superman interview. All of it.
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Sep 19, 2017 01:27
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The real problem with Mans of Steel is the stupid way he dealt with Zod. Why didn't he just pull the shrink wrap S-logo off his chest and throw it at Zod to capture him?
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Sep 19, 2017 01:29
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He should have gently kissed his head and wiped his memory. Amateur hour, Kal El.
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Sep 19, 2017 01:34
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Jor El: You will give the people of Earth an ideal to strive towards. They will race behind you, they will stumble, they will fall. But in time, they will join you in the sun, Kal. In time, you will help them accomplish wonders. Nerds: What is this dour grimdark bullshit!?!?
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Sep 19, 2017 01:36
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UmOk posted:The real problem with Mans of Steel is the stupid way he dealt with Zod. Why didn't he just pull the shrink wrap S-logo off his chest and throw it at Zod to capture him? Because Zod specifically and correctly points out at the beginning of the film that the Phantom Zone is bullshit.
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Sep 19, 2017 01:39
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