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Grapplejack posted:Aren't exmilitary people also usually way better cops, because they have both trigger discipline and deescalation / situational awareness drilled into them for years? LOL, you should meet my veteran brother. Sometimes people come back pretty hosed up mentally.
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Grapplejack posted:Aren't exmilitary people also usually way better cops, because they have both trigger discipline and deescalation / situational awareness drilled into them for years?
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Sep 19, 2017 16:40
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Kekekela posted:Send in the armed forces. no we should just have community policing that involves actually knowing your neighbors names and making friends with people and looking out for each other instead of paying local governments to fund a bunch of uneducated murderers to steal everyones poo poo with asset forfeiture.
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Ravenfood posted:The problem isn't the removal of officers from active duty following a shooting, the problem is the lack of oversight and investigation into whether the shooting was necessary and there being consequences for the officer if they weren't. Police officers should be removed from active duty for any shooting. Any shootings should just also be investigated heavily, with significant consequences for officers who violate (better written) policies. They should be, without pay.
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Sep 19, 2017 16:42
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Your Parents posted:no we should just have community policing that involves actually knowing your neighbors names and making friends with people and looking out for each other instead of paying local governments to fund a bunch of uneducated murderers to steal everyones poo poo with asset forfeiture. Yeah I'm not really sure this is feasible anymore
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Your Parents posted:no we should just have community policing that involves actually knowing your neighbors names and making friends with people and looking out for each other instead of paying local governments to fund a bunch of uneducated murderers to steal everyones poo poo with asset forfeiture. Community policing is not the same as having the community police itself, which is nice but insufficient outside anarcho-syndicalist fantasyland.
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Sep 19, 2017 16:51
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Democrazy posted:In that case, I would say that the unions reflect the culture rather than cause it. And in reflection lives sustenance. Now for something completely different: 
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Sep 19, 2017 17:15
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It's been studied that ex military people do indeed make better police officers because they are competently trained.
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Sep 19, 2017 17:17
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Pembroke Fuse posted:I've heard that ROEs in Iraq were more stringent than whatever training cops get, but can't confirm first-hand. Could just be bullshit. I know quite a few soldiers who served in Iraq and Afghanistan and every time someone posts a story on facebook about some kid getting blown away for looking at a cop wrong while brandishing a cosplay sword or w/e, they hem and haw and hand wring about the cops being pussies. It could all be bullshit, sure, but at the same time, threat assessments were the difference between life and death every loving day in the warzone. They got good at telling who was a threat. Cops here pretend like they're in a warzone and use that excuse to justify extra-judicial murder all the time, but the reality of policing is it's very boring and really they have no idea how to tell if someone is a threat, which is why when they pull you over for having an expired tag, they treat you like a drug dealer. Stand behind your door with their hands on their sidearm the whole time. Use stern, sterile, robotic language. You'd think they were on a mission to police rabid wombats, when really they're just running a speed trap for extra bonus money. Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Sep 19, 2017 |
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Sep 19, 2017 17:23
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Quorum posted:Community policing is not the same as having the community police itself, which is nice but insufficient outside anarcho-syndicalist fantasyland. Iirc, when cops threw a fit over deblasio and started not doing their jobs to show everyone how important they were, NYC became a nicer place to live Then they realized no-one missed them and went back to work
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Sep 19, 2017 17:27
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Maybe, just maybe, communities would be better off without savages equipped with military gear prowling the streets...
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Sep 19, 2017 17:28
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Boon posted:The Navy at least desperately needs it. Amazing restraint in the bill, it only allocates funding for two LCS that the Navy doesn't want. Conveniently, the shipyard is in Alabama.
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Sep 19, 2017 17:31
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Grapplejack posted:Aren't exmilitary people also usually way better cops, because they have both trigger discipline and deescalation / situational awareness drilled into them for years? depends on what they did in the military if they were basically occupation police somewhere like baghdad? yeah, they're very good cops because they were trained to deescalate situations that the average american cop would start shooting in. anything else and they're no different from anyone else except for the possibility of ptsd
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Sep 19, 2017 17:35
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Condiv posted:Iirc, when cops threw a fit over deblasio and started not doing their jobs to show everyone how important they were, NYC became a nicer place to live It's almost as if crime is at an all time low and they aren't needed as much as they think they are!
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Sep 19, 2017 17:35
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What exactly are cops protecting us from nowadays? Nazis? Nah they sit back while those fuckers brutalize nonviolent counter protestors. Lynch mobs? Nope again, they're trying to protect teenagers who lynched a mixed race kid from the justice they deserve. Murderers and rapists? Usually they just pin those on the nearest black person and get their promotion. Or if the rapist or murderer is rich and powerful they intimidate the victim or claim it was a suicide...
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Condiv posted:What exactly are cops protecting us from nowadays? Peaceful protest.
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Condiv posted:What exactly are cops protecting us from nowadays? Nazis? Nah they sit back while those fuckers brutalize nonviolent counter protestors. Lynch mobs? Nope again, they're trying to protect teenagers who lynched a mixed race kid from the justice they deserve. Cops are really great at "interrogating", so good in fact that roughly 40% of innocent people suddenly find out they're really guilty and confess! http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/exonerations-2015_us_56ac0374e4b00b033aaf3da9
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QuoProQuid posted:i have news on the future of the democratic party: gently caress this guy. I mean, we all know his name now, so good for him. But at no point, even in the last five seconds of the ad, does he say what the gently caress he's for. I bet he wants me to google his rear end, and let me tell you. I'm not gonna loving do that. And I'm a loving junkie. Imagine what regular people do. Comstock should've gone down in flames last year, but her opponent was every centrist Clintonite/Blairite motherfucker rolled into one. She even skipped her COPE committee meeting (when labor meets you and decides whether to stump for you) and called in an hour late via Skype. We didn't spend a dime on her. She's gonna live forever due to an endless army of bullshit centrists. gently caress Barbara Comstock.
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Pembroke Fuse posted:Cops are really great at "interrogating", so good in fact that roughly 40% of innocent people suddenly find out they're really guilty and confess! http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/exonerations-2015_us_56ac0374e4b00b033aaf3da9 It's true, that's how I found out I was the Oklahoma City Bomber.
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Sep 19, 2017 18:29
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Your Boy Fancy posted:gently caress this guy. Isn't this just one guy in a primary field of 5? Surely he won't win the primary given how hopping mad NOVA is?
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Sep 19, 2017 18:33
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Your Boy Fancy posted:gently caress this guy. I love his websites take on healthcare. Litteral loving cuck posted:The United States is the richest and most powerful nation in the history of the world, but our healthcare system fails to ensure that all of our citizens have access to the medical care they need. Our system is also excessively expensive. In Congress, Dan will consider all courses of action that would expand access and lower medical costs.
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Sep 19, 2017 18:35
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Society needs some form of established policing. It just shouldn't be the hosed up mess we have now.
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Your Parents posted:no we should just have community policing that involves actually knowing your neighbors names and making friends with people and looking out for each other instead of paying local governments to fund a bunch of uneducated murderers to steal everyones poo poo with asset forfeiture. How do you think that would play out in a county with deep ethnic divisions and very high gun ownership rates?
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OtherworldlyInvader posted:How do you think that would play out in a county with deep ethnic divisions and very high gun ownership rates? Better than taking some uneducated hotshots, teaching them that everybody in wider society is out to get them and then giving them de facto legal impunity for their actions except in the most egregious of cases.
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OtherworldlyInvader posted:How do you think that would play out in a county with deep ethnic divisions and very high gun ownership rates? probably better than giving the racist white people guns, military gear, and nearly complete immunity from the law while everyone else has no recourse but to pray to god the KKK members in blue don't murder them
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Society needs some form of established policing. It just shouldn't be the hosed up mess we have now. Too bad the police union will never allow it.
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do you guys think that there's a possibility that the Electoral College thing the states proposed ever gets around to passing? I like the idea of apportioning votes since it seems that every state has forgotten the original purpose of the EC
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Crabtree posted:Too bad the police union will never allow it. Police unions are not the only problem. It's not like management is champing at the bit make sure that police are held accountable.
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Carlosologist posted:do you guys think that there's a possibility that the Electoral College thing the states proposed ever gets around to passing? I like the idea of apportioning votes since it seems that every state has forgotten the original purpose of the EC All the states that would benefit from it are already signed on, at this point they need to start recruiting states that would lose influence under it and/or are controlled by Republicans who like how the EC distorts the vote. So likely not any time soon.
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haveblue posted:All the states that would benefit from it are already signed on, at this point they need to start recruiting states that would lose influence under it and/or are controlled by Republicans who like how the EC distorts the vote. So likely not any time soon. To add onto this, if we ever get to the point where enough states sign on to the interstate compact, the GOP will be so hated and marginalized at that point that the Dems would always win the EC anyway.
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Even in that situation it should be eliminated, it's mathematically possible to win the presidency with something like 21% of the vote (in a distribution totally incompatible with the real red/blue divide, but still).
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I'm starting to wonder if the GOP has object permanance
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RuanGacho posted:I'm starting to wonder if the GOP has object permanance boy, that sounds like hippy talk
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a significant portion of people over 55 are probably functionally illiterate, so it's totally possible they missed some cognitive development along the way
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Carlosologist posted:a significant portion of people over 55 are probably functionally illiterate, so it's totally possible they missed some cognitive development along the way Die Boomer scum.
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Mustached Demon posted:Die Boomer scum. my parents are Boomers (I'm a millennial) but they grew up outside of the US so I'm happy I don't have to deal with parents who are MAGA, Fox News worshippers but seriously, the boomers legitimately broke everything useful and we're here to clean the poo poo up and maybe try and have something functional for Generation AA or Z or whatever
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Carlosologist posted:my parents are Boomers (I'm a millennial) but they grew up outside of the US so I'm happy I don't have to deal with parents who are MAGA, Fox News worshippers It's also our fault shits hosed.
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Carlosologist posted:a significant portion of people Fixed. Source: I'm a teacher.
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mdemone posted:Fixed. Source: I'm a teacher. In a few of my internships I saw sixth and seventh graders who were reading well below reading level and my co-ops said they try to bring them along but most of the time there's no getting to them 
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