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Autism Sneaks posted:I'm gonna need a sticker on the cover that guarantees no clones, alternate universe doppelgangers, psychic duplicates, magical manifestations, time-displaced incarnations, or some combination thereof  vAdult Jean's spirit has actually been haunting teen Jean over in her own book for a while so she's already kinda around, sort of. Again, as long as this resurrection comes about believably from the events of that pretty good book, I don't have any problems with it. I really doubt anyone at the X-offices or wider Marvel offices have any long-term idea about what to do with the young X-Men. I can sort of envision a broad, vague direction at times, but then they'll just go and do stuff that throws that direction out of wack. Which is fine if it leads to decent narratives like it has for Bobby and Jean. But I really have no idea what their plan is for Hank and Warren. Especially Hank. He's basically Dark Beast in all but name at this point, which leads me to think they would make his younger self more and more stalwart and principled in contrast to that...except that young Hank is also kind of a dumb turd right now, so...
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hope and vaseline posted:He had some pretty good moments in Peter David's short lived All New X-Factor. One of the only times I've actually not minded Gambit.
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X-O posted:One of the only times I've actually not minded Gambit. It not you, it Gambit.
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Rhyno posted:It not you, it Gambit. Completely agreed. It definitely Gambit.
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Firstborn posted:I read some Gold today, and really wish Gambit was in more things. Is he any good in Astonishing? Any other recent appearances? Last thing I read about him was like the 2012 solo series. X-23
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bobkatt013 posted:X-23 The first thing to sell me fully on Gambit as sleazy but lovable big brother.
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Is that the vol 2 series? 3? What issues should I look for? \/\/ Thank you mon ami Firstborn fucked around with this message at 06:17 on Sep 15, 2017 |
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Firstborn posted:Is that the vol 2 series? 3? What issues should I look for? The one from 2010 and starting from issue 4
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X-O posted:No thanks. I'm very happy with the Cyclops and Wolverine we have now. I'm happy with the Wolverine we have now too, but I'll admit I want to trade in Old Man Logan for Howlett from X-Treme X-Men. The world needs more of Logan and Hercules being a big ol' gay power couple.  Firstborn posted:I read some Gold today, and really wish Gambit was in more things. Is he any good in Astonishing? Any other recent appearances? Last thing I read about him was like the 2012 solo series. X-Men '92 is peak Gambit, mon ami.
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Sep 15, 2017 11:35
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Yea that's literally the only thing I thought Gambit was actually good, rather than just bareable.
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Full disclosure: I have lived in New Orleans all my life, my first brush with X-Men was the 90's series, and my family name is LeBeau. When I saw the show the first time I had a real "MOM.... MOM COME SEE" moment. Also it was the 90's, so a cool trench coat and scruffy beard were ace. Not to mention his power was flashy and cool to see animated. Since then I know he's been treated less than good, and as I get older I realize how one-note he is. I also get irrationally annoyed at how New Orleans/Louisiana is treated in media, especially his comic books. It's mostly nostalgia for me, I admit. I'm not a regular comic reader. I really like how certain artists draw him and certain writers write him and REALLY hate others. Will check out X-Men '92!! E: Can someone tell me why Old Man Logan is in things instead of Clint Eastwood Logan? How did that particular Logan story get to the point of saturation where that's the Wolverine in "every book except the bible"? Firstborn fucked around with this message at 13:48 on Sep 15, 2017 |
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Sep 15, 2017 13:42
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Firstborn posted:E: Can someone tell me why Old Man Logan is in things instead of Clint Eastwood Logan? How did that particular Logan story get to the point of saturation where that's the Wolverine in "every book except the bible"? It'st he story that (very loosely) inspired the last Wolverine movie, and it's an interesting take on the character, though one that (much like the O5) loses a lot of its novelty the longer he hangs around.
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Sep 15, 2017 13:58
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Eh, even when the luster wears off you still have a much more managable Logan than before. Healing factor isn't quite so ridiculous, not quite as much of an unstoppable killing machine you have to write around, frees up the Wolverine mantle for Laura. I wouldn't mind if he stuck around.
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Cabbit posted:Eh, even when the luster wears off you still have a much more managable Logan than before. Healing factor isn't quite so ridiculous, not quite as much of an unstoppable killing machine you have to write around, frees up the Wolverine mantle for Laura. The problem is with him hanging around it kinda makes it hard for people (including Marvel in general) to see Laura as Wolverine.
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Rumda posted:The problem is with him hanging around it kinda makes it hard for people (including Marvel in general) to see Laura as Wolverine. It's more that his hanging around is proof that they don't. Not only is she just filling in until they feel like bringing Logan back, but they also felt like they had to bring in an alternate Logan and another Kid Wolverine.
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howe_sam posted:Speaking of, wow Wolverine was so, so good this week. Taylor did an amazing job with the Guardians, and Jonathan can speak now! Yeah, the addition of speech means Jonathan is now in the top 3 of Marvel Wolverines. Sorry, Logan Classic!
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Sinteres posted:If they want to use Legacy to get back to something closer to the classic conception of characters, a soft reboot for the X-Men line that uses the avatar of rebirth to bring back major characters like Cyclops and maybe Wolverine (though his healing factor could always just kick in anyway) would seem like a pretty reasonable way to do it. Even as someone who finds some pleasure with the original X-men and the pre-Giant-Sized run, it's so far away from what the X-men actually were that I just hate the idea of trying to establish that as some sort of status quo. It was much more interesting to see the ways which the original X-men reacted to what the X-men would become and how it changed them, than who they actually were before that. E: A few pages old but I want to write about this : For me, pre-post-Morrison Beast definitely was a gently caress up at times, but not to the extent now where he is a punchline. He was just kind of emotionally undeveloped in X-Men and the Avengers, which caused him to gently caress up (he has emotions, he just deals with them by hiding from them). Then he seems to pick up the concept of feelings in X-Factor, but uses them to be sad 24/7 (I guess you could say that about everyone in that comic where Cyclops is arguably the most cheerful). But his gently caress ups are relatively minor at that point. He cheers up once the X-Men get back together and this is arguably him at his most competent, and he seems to establish a firm morality that he sticks to, even as other X-Men falter. In part, one of the reasons Dark Beast is so shocking is because he is Beast with no emotions and Apocalypse's ethics which in turn creates a really hosed up dude, very different from what we have seen prior. When the timeline returns, at this point the Legacy Virus ramps up and he remains competent, but does start to at least test his ethical stances, but generally sticks with them. Then as earlier posts above cover well, after Legacy things get complicated under Morrison (which is good, his character needed this). And then he just kind of rather quickly transitions into the major gently caress up he is today. To the point where it's hard to remember him not being a gently caress up, to the point Dark Beast isn't even THAT shocking anymore (he's basically current Beast with a consistent motivations and rational actions in response to those motivations). Rick fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Sep 16, 2017 |
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My problem with Old Man Logan is that he's basically OG Wolverine, but Old. Aren't they essentially the same character with the same background, history and had the same experiences up to a certain point? Plus all it needs is a hack writer to de-age him and suddenly Laura's at risk of being shafted as the Wolverine. It's why I prefer Howlett. Guy's got a completely different backstory where he lived in a homophobic AU, but still found love with Herc. And when the gods found out their love and cast them to hell, the two fought their way out of it.  Rick posted:a good post As a Beast fan, thanks for this. It's just depressing that Hank got so thoroughly mangled by bad writers to the way he is now. 
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Sep 17, 2017 15:33
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Old Man Logan murdered all his best friends.
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Yea, OML is fuuuuuucked up. I admit I stopped reading the solo during the last Ronin arc because that poo poo just bored me, but a big part of what I did read was him trying to deal with the PSTD and survivors guilt over what happened to him.
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Aphrodite posted:Old Man Logan murdered all his best friends. Boy it must be awkward hanging out with them all again.
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RandallODim posted:Boy it must be awkward hanging out with them all again. Most/all of his appearances in team books might as well just be a hair color swap for Wolverine though, yeah.
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Edge & Christian posted:That was in fact the plot of the first arcs of the series Old Man Logan, yes. Lemire did a good job with the character and differentiating him from "a story where we color Wolverine's hair gray" and I don't generally like Ed Brisson but his arc is at least definitely an Old Man Logan story, not a Wolverine story. Yeah, petty jibes aside I really should get around to reading the OML ongoing, but I need to know: does it feature Jubilee and if not why do comics wish to break my heart so?
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Sinteres posted:It's more that his hanging around is proof that they don't. Not only is she just filling in until they feel like bringing Logan back, but they also felt like they had to bring in an alternate Logan and another Kid Wolverine. Marvel missed a trick when they didn't have Albert show up after the Death of Wolverine. He could have been the Cyborg for the Death of Superman parallels. Either him or the Wolverine created by nano machines from that Wolverine: The Best There Is mini series.
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RandallODim posted:Yeah, petty jibes aside I really should get around to reading the OML ongoing, but I need to know: does it feature Jubilee and if not why do comics wish to break my heart so?
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The Question IRL posted:Marvel missed a trick when they didn't have Albert show up after the Death of Wolverine. He could have been the Cyborg for the Death of Superman parallels. They could have had a scene where Elsie Dee blew up and he held the wreckage like Superman on the cover of Crisis 7.
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Lightning Lord posted:They could have had a scene where Elsie Dee blew up and he held the wreckage like Superman on the cover of Crisis 7. I'm still amazed that it was only a few years ago that I recognized the pun with Elsie Dee
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Soonmot posted:I'm still amazed that it was only a few years ago that I recognized the pun with Elsie Dee I only realised it now.
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amigolupus posted:My problem with Old Man Logan is that he's basically OG Wolverine, but Old. Aren't they essentially the same character with the same background, history and had the same experiences up to a certain point? Plus all it needs is a hack writer to de-age him and suddenly Laura's at risk of being shafted as the Wolverine. I agree that it's depressing. Especially since I felt like they finally figured Beast out in the late 90s and then it just went off the rails. At this point he needs to disappear for a few years to reset.
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What horrible thing happened to you to make you a Beast fan?
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If your only experience with Beast is from the 90s cartoon i could understand why he'd be a favorite.
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Or a lot of his comic appearances also.
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Old Hank is good as long as he's paired with Wonder Man. Otherwise he's useless. I like Young Hank though as of now.
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Well you guys seem like the ones to ask about this. I don't follow comics anymore except to sometimes read a friends copy of Old Man Logan. Although I did read the post-death thing where Mystique was trying to get his preserved corpse before Mr. Sinister or something. I'm just wondering where his body is nowadays? Does anyone mention it? Is it sitting in some library at the X-mansion?
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davebo posted:Well you guys seem like the ones to ask about this. I don't follow comics anymore except to sometimes read a friends copy of Old Man Logan. Although I did read the post-death thing where Mystique was trying to get his preserved corpse before Mr. Sinister or something. I'm just wondering where his body is nowadays? Does anyone mention it? Is it sitting in some library at the X-mansion? I like to think Deadpool keeps it in his spare bedroom.
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I'm pretty sure Wolverine's body is in possession of The Avengers or one of the X-Men groups. I distinctly remember that being addressed in one of the earlier issues of Old Man Logan that Captain America was in. I might be making this up, though I can almost swear it happened.
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X-O posted:I'm pretty sure Wolverine's body is in possession of The Avengers or one of the X-Men groups. I distinctly remember that being addressed in one of the earlier issues of Old Man Logan that Captain America was in. I might be making this up, though I can almost swear it happened. Steve took OML to see it very early in the ongoing.
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Isn't it entirely encased in adamantium?
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Cabbit posted:Isn't it entirely encased in adamantium? Well, supposedly his body is in there.
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If only they had 6 mutants who could enhance and supercharge other mutant's powers.
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