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Idle question since I'm not buying, but can somebody explain the BMW model nomenclature?
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Sep 17, 2017 23:25
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AFAIK f bikes are the smaller models which used to all be singles (and sometimes flat twins) but are now an incomprehensible mess of different displacement/output parallel twins similar to the clusterfuck their car model range has become. R bikes are all flat twins. K bikes are the inline 4 and 6 cylinder bikes. S bikes are the litrebike models.
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Sep 17, 2017 23:47
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R-Type posted:Yeah, gently caress you BMW, your bikes are like your cars - nice, pretty, lots of buttans, but always miss the mark on performance. Besides, you can find a GII ZX14 and Busa right now for $3 to 5K cheaper everywhere, have more stock HP than the K with bolt-ons, and forgo the hand-heaters. Ugh. Oh look, multiple paragraphs of unintelligible gobbledygook.  The K bikes aren't supposed to compete with supersports like a GSXR 1300 or ZX-14. They're mostly touring bikes for middle aged dentists, not track day toys. They compete against Goldwings, C-14s, and FJR1300s. If you want a BMW that can hang with supersports, get an S1000RR, which does have near as makes no difference 200 HP, and also weighs a lot less than a lot of other liter SS's, in addition to having better brakes and suspension than quite a few competitors. It's got plenty of WSBK wins to back it up, too. They do just fine in performance, on their performance oriented bikes, thanks.
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Sep 18, 2017 00:58
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BMW strikes me as a little more realistic; their bikes perform, but they know you're not really going to be chasing a Hayabusa at criminal speeds nearly as often as you're going to appreciate heated grips or technical toys.
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Sep 18, 2017 01:11
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The big 4 banger bimmers are loving nothing like the japanese hypertourers, they just look similar on paper. They're like ultra luxury couches that can go really loving fast (and corner mind-bogglingly well), as opposed to the japanese method of making a 12:10 scale sportbike and throwing heated grips and a nice seat at it.
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Sep 18, 2017 02:23
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Yep. And the weird fork separates steering and suspension which seems to help reduce fatigue for long days. I think the onboard fun police steps in a little early though. I know you can turn it off, but ugh, buttons.
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Sep 18, 2017 03:12
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Slavvy posted:AFAIK f bikes are the smaller models which used to all be singles (and sometimes flat twins) but are now an incomprehensible mess of different displacement/output parallel twins similar to the clusterfuck their car model range has become.
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Sep 18, 2017 04:15
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Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:K bikes were also inline triples at one point too.  e: I've also seen something badged as an F850 from the late 90's/early 00's and it was a flat twin no frills naked thing. Slavvy fucked around with this message at 04:23 on Sep 18, 2017 |
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Sep 18, 2017 04:20
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Slavvy posted:They're like ultra luxury couches that can go really loving fast (and corner mind-bogglingly well), This is a pretty accurate description of Goldwings. They handle way better than they have any right to, for how massive they are. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nrMQ3QwyPo
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Sep 18, 2017 04:28
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I'm less interested in the engine config and more on the suffix and usage.
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Sep 18, 2017 05:01
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So you're less interested what engine they have and more interested in the thing that tells you what engine they have? What?
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Sep 18, 2017 05:09
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Slavvy posted:So you're less interested what engine they have and more interested in the thing that tells you what engine they have? What? Like, S1000R / S1000RR / S1000XR name wise don't seem that different, but appearance and function they are totally different. So how does BMW use those suffixes?
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Sep 18, 2017 05:22
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ilkhan posted:S/K/G/F are prefix. Suffix is the RS/RR/B/GTL/RT/R/(G/S)/whatever part Those are marketing letters that make you spend more to buy more cool sounding letters and numbers than your friends.
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Sep 18, 2017 06:11
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spouse posted:Those are marketing letters that make you spend more to buy more cool sounding letters and numbers than your friends.
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Sep 18, 2017 10:31
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My girlfriend wants to get her motorcycle license over the winter (she already took one lesson just to try out riding) and last saturday we swung by a dealer to look at some bikes. Anyway we're basically looking for a mid-displacement sport-touring-ish bikes, naked bikes that are large enough for her are generally too powerful in my opinion. Not in the opinion of the salesman though, who immediately tried to sell her on a Z900, because "you don't want the same boring bike you'll have taken your lessons on, right?". Anyway I'm thinking we'll end up with a Versys 650 or something similar, maybe a Bandit (which breaks Lemmy's 4cyl rule) but the naked ones are all rather old.
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Sep 18, 2017 11:18
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ilkhan posted:S/K/G/F are prefix. Suffix is the RS/RR/B/GTL/RT/R/(G/S)/whatever part RS usually has a bikini fairing and a roadster tail, roadster sport or something RT roadster tour bikini fairing with luggage RR race replica GT Grand tour GTL Grand tour luxury GS gelande-strasse for on and off road R "single R" roadster naked S sport ST sport tour B bagger like a Harley High Protein posted:My girlfriend wants to get her motorcycle license over the winter (she already took one lesson just to try out riding) and last saturday we swung by a dealer to look at some bikes. Anyway we're basically looking for a mid-displacement sport-touring-ish bikes, naked bikes that are large enough for her are generally too powerful in my opinion. Not in the opinion of the salesman though, who immediately tried to sell her on a Z900, because "you don't want the same boring bike you'll have taken your lessons on, right?". Anyway I'm thinking we'll end up with a Versys 650 or something similar, maybe a Bandit (which breaks Lemmy's 4cyl rule) but the naked ones are all rather old. XB9 and use ecmspy to lower the rev limiter to limit power The salesman tried to sell my wife a Brutale because "passion and feeling". Obviously that means nothing to her because she still has that R1150. clutchpuck fucked around with this message at 13:13 on Sep 18, 2017 |
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Sep 18, 2017 13:05
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High Protein posted:My girlfriend wants to get her motorcycle license over the winter (she already took one lesson just to try out riding) and last saturday we swung by a dealer to look at some bikes. Anyway we're basically looking for a mid-displacement sport-touring-ish bikes, naked bikes that are large enough for her are generally too powerful in my opinion. Not in the opinion of the salesman though, who immediately tried to sell her on a Z900, because "you don't want the same boring bike you'll have taken your lessons on, right?". Anyway I'm thinking we'll end up with a Versys 650 or something similar, maybe a Bandit (which breaks Lemmy's 4cyl rule) but the naked ones are all rather old. clutchpuck posted:RS usually has a bikini fairing and a roadster tail, roadster sport or something
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Sep 18, 2017 14:44
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I sat on the R-nineT and a couple of the lower BMW bikes they had at the dealer a month or so ago. They felt nice in person. I might want to test ride some other bikes in the spring. I was thinking down the line of getting something for longer rides and keeping the Guzzi for the kind of thing you ride to a bike night or whatever. I'm a shorter person though, so I either need something decently low (or just more experience). Though having the center of gravity down lower really makes a bike feel a lot lighter.
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Sep 18, 2017 18:22
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clutchpuck posted:RS usually has a bikini fairing and a roadster tail, roadster sport or something "bikini fairing" on the RT is kinda misleading. I guess technically it's a bikini fairing because there's no lowers covering the cylinder heads, but in practice it's a fully faired luxo-tourer that's much smaller and lighter than the GT
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Sep 18, 2017 19:08
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ilkhan posted:Versys 650 would seem like a good option. Or a CBR500? Yeah alternatives would be the Tracer 700 or CBR500X and she did also like the look of the NC750X but that ain't a Real Bike. And she would prefer the bike not to have a beak  I rode a Versys 650 for a couple of hundred kms last year and it really did surprise me with how fun it was to ride. Also easy to find 2nd hand. clutchpuck posted:XB9 and use ecmspy to lower the rev limiter to limit power Haha I already told her my Buell stories so that isn't going to happen.
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Sep 18, 2017 19:37
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Uh, how big is she that a used Ninja 250 to learn the basics on for a while isn't an option?
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Sep 18, 2017 19:44
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clutchpuck posted:RS usually has a bikini fairing and a roadster tail, roadster sport or something RT is touring touring XR is the GS version of the S1000, dunno why they didn't just call it GS GT and GTL are kinda sport touring, used on the larger K bikes, the GTL is only on the K1600 ST was a particular model which was sport touring with a weird fairing and it was short lived B doesn't exist C means like a Harley, they only made one bike with a C and it didn't sell for poo poo because it was awful LT was the biggest luxury touring model they made for a long time, it was a K bike SS is only used on the S1000
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Sep 18, 2017 20:12
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B does exist now, the K1600B bagger (K1600GT with a lower rear end and new bags)
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Sep 18, 2017 20:43
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Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:LT was the biggest luxury touring model they made for a long time, it was a K bike R1150LT  So, so ugly.
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Sep 18, 2017 21:53
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PCOS Bill posted:Uh, how big is she that a used Ninja 250 to learn the basics on for a while isn't an option?
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Sep 18, 2017 22:26
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primitive posted:Thinking of trading my Triumph Tiger 800 XRT in on a BMW R1200GS Ok so we took a ride out of London on a GS, and back in on the GSA Thoughts: - The Tiger 800 actually feels heavier than the R1200GS, and even the GSA. I think this is down to the top-heavy engine placement and slightly narrower bars. - I like the OEM heated seats on the Tiger, but the BMW grip heaters poo poo all over the equivalent Triumph equipment - Even though the GS is heavier, I felt like I had more control when lane splitting at slow speeds (probably due to the lower CoG) - On the Tiger, it's not comfortable to grip the tank with your knees, it looks like Triumph picked random fairing pieces out of a box and glued them in that area. But you can kind of hook your knees in and get a good grip. On the GS, it's much more sculpted and comfy, but not so grippy. - The GS technically has 30 more HP, but I never really felt it. - The huge tank of the GSA looks retarded off the bike but when you're on the bike you can't tell. The only equipment on the GSA that I felt like I cared about was the factory crash protection. - the auto levelling suspension on the GS is cool and good. The manual switching on the GSA is kind of dumb in comparison The GS won the day for me, but I can see the argument for the GSA as well.
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Sep 19, 2017 19:02
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XR is "Adventure Sport" - it's absolutely not a dual use bike. Jumping it would be hilarious murder on everything, and the first big rock climb would scrape off your drain plug. But also it's the best street do it all bike ever made so it's got that going for it. Long days short days track riding twisty roads 2 up whatever you want it'll do it and do it drat well.
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Sep 20, 2017 00:46
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Disclaimer: the best bike in the world is always the bike z3n owns right now.
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Sep 20, 2017 02:35
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Slavvy posted:Disclaimer: the best bike in the world is always the bike z3n owns right now. Probably why I'm getting the impression a superduke is no longer the best bike in the world.
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Sep 20, 2017 07:36
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The best bike in the world, is the one(s) you own
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Sep 20, 2017 12:12
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PCOS Bill posted:Uh, how big is she that a used Ninja 250 to learn the basics on for a while isn't an option? A tad over 6 feet but with how stringent the licensing test is here I feel a ~70HP bike wouldn't be misplaced. Also the Ninja 250 doesn't exist here as far as I can tell.
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Sep 20, 2017 16:31
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High Protein posted:Also the Ninja 250 doesn't exist here as far as I can tell.
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Sep 20, 2017 16:58
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clutchpuck posted:R1150LT
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Sep 20, 2017 19:41
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What's the difference in suspension travel and feel between a vstrom 650 and an sv650?
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Sep 24, 2017 19:41
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Slavvy posted:Disclaimer: the best bike in the world is always the bike z3n owns right now. i'm personally looking forward to advocating for touring on a trials bike soon
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Sep 24, 2017 19:42
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The internet seems to suggest the Vstrom has between 5.9 and 6.3 inches of travel. The internet also suggests the sv has 4 inches of travel. Who knows for sure though.
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Sep 24, 2017 19:58
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I know the sv has kidney punching ride willing.
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Sep 24, 2017 20:44
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:The internet seems to suggest the Vstrom has between 5.9 and 6.3 inches of travel. Not mentioned: the SV suspension is made out of ramen noodles, so the travel is essentially irrelevant because you can bottom it out slowing at a stoplight in normal traffic So I've made a good choice / bad choice, traded the Tiger in on a 2018 R1200GS Rallye with the TFT dash, pics coming when I take delivery
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Sep 24, 2017 22:27
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Z3n posted:i'm personally looking forward to advocating for touring on a trials bike soon No need for any bitch rear end screens and fairings when you top out at 40km!
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Sep 25, 2017 00:15
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[quote="“Slavvy”" post="“476726780”"] No need for any bitch rear end screens and fairings when you top out at 40km! [/quote] you don't bunny hop potholes? what are you, a scrub?
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Sep 25, 2017 15:35
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