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Haifisch: Nov 13, 2010; Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!; Taco Defender

Have a red flag layer cake:

I (18f) was accepted to my dream university, my boyfriend (20m) of 5 years said he'd dump me if went, so I let him move with me. One month in and he's literally done nothing but complain (no job, no friends, just games 24/7) what do I do?

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Hi, I'm at my wits end...seriously.

I've been with Brian since I was 13 and he was 15, young love and soulmates. We've been up and down but I always loved him.

Last year I got news that I was accepted to my all time dream university. Instead of being happy for me, Brian said that if I left our town he'd dump me. I was terrified so I lied to my parents and said I was afraid of the dorms and they offered to get me a really nice apartment. I then asked Brian to move with me (parents don't know).

It was cool for like two days but Brian has literally not done anything. He crashed his car and won't even call the insurance people to get it fixed and this is why he says he can't look for a job. He's a huge slob and he doesn't go anywhere and leaves all the cleaning, laundry and food to me. He just plays Battlefield all day long on his xbox. I'm so stressed because I was an A+ student in high school and need to get good grades to keep my scholarship but right now I'm really struggling because I'm just exhausted by Brian.

I still love him and want the best for him so how do I handle this? If I get his car fixed then I'm still just enabling him and I want him to take some initiative. He can't drive mine for insurance reasons and he makes me feel guilty about this too. I just want him to be better partner to me.

How do I make this happen?

tl;dr: HS boyfriend moved to college with me and just sits around all day playing video games. How do I get him to be a better partner?

# ? Sep 24, 2017 21:25

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# ? May 14, 2024 11:19

DragQueenofAngmar: Dec 29, 2009; You shall not pass!

oof

Me (35m) with my wife (35f) Totally deceived me regarding how she became pregnant with our third child. I'm so lost.

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It's a long, long story...but the shorter version is that a year ago my wife came clean to me about how my third child was conceived. He's now four years old and I love him to death.

At the time, four years ago, she was on the pill and our agreement was that we were happy with just the two kids. We were happy with our little family and everything was perfect. Unbeknown to me, she had stopped taking the pill and was actively trying to conceive, on the advice of one of her friends.

All this time, she went along with the 'I got pregnant while on the pill' story. We're not overly religious, but I just thought it was Gods work. But a year ago, she told me the truth, in that she lied, went off the pill for months before (without telling me this) and conceived our third child, because she 'wanted a third child and had so much more love to give'.

Since being told this a year ago, my life has changed dramatically, as my wife of 15 years (together for 21 - high school sweethearts), basically deceived me into getting her pregnant then lied about it for four more years.

In the end, she didn't have to tell me, but she did, to unburden herself I guess. I now have zero trust for my wife or anyone else and I'm basically becoming a depressed alcoholic. The marriage counselling has helped to a point...I just can't get over how the love of my life could do this to me.

I can't speak to anyone in my real life about this, except the marriage counsellor. I love all of my kids, all three equally, I just don't know if I can ever get over being tricked into having a third child, being deceived into this.

She says there are no other lies, that this was her one and only big lie, that she knew I didn't want more kids, so she felt she had no choice but to do what she did.

It's a year after she told me and I'm as hurt and lost as ever. We're high school sweethearts, we've been together two decades, I thought we had the perfect marriage and family.

tl;dr: Wife came clean about lying to me about how my third child was conceived. A year later, I'm still struggling with this.

# ? Sep 24, 2017 21:28

Admiral Ray: May 17, 2014; Proud Musk and Dogecoin fanboy

Haifisch posted:

Have a red flag layer cake:

I (18f) was accepted to my dream university, my boyfriend (20m) of 5 years said he'd dump me if went, so I let him move with me. One month in and he's literally done nothing but complain (no job, no friends, just games 24/7) what do I do?

You're on your way to being a successful adult woman in the world of relationships! This is how they all are. Either never date or become a hermit.

DragQueenofAngmar posted:

oof

Me (35m) with my wife (35f) Totally deceived me regarding how she became pregnant with our third child. I'm so lost.

Get a divorce.

Actually first open your relationship.

# ? Sep 24, 2017 21:32

tactlessbastard: Feb 4, 2001; Godspeed, post; Fun Shoe

Admiral Ray posted:

You're on your way to being a successful adult woman in the world of relationships! This is how they all are. Either never date or become a hermit.

Get a divorce.

Actually first open your relationship.

Have another baby!

# ? Sep 24, 2017 21:53

Absurd Alhazred: Mar 27, 2010; by Athanatos

tactlessbastard posted:

Have another baby!

With another woman!

# ? Sep 24, 2017 21:55

Cowslips Warren: Oct 29, 2005; What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?; Grimey Drawer

DragQueenofAngmar posted:

oof

Me (35m) with my wife (35f) Totally deceived me regarding how she became pregnant with our third child. I'm so lost.

I remember this exact thing from We Need to Talk About Kevin, but it was for a second, not third, child. Sadly had the couple divorced the ending of the book wouldn't have ended with first kid being an only child.

Like holy gently caress the wife chooses NOW to tell him the truth? I was expecting something like she hosed her ex to have that third baby, but this is kinda worse. I wonder if they even have sex anymore....and why he didn't get snipped way back when they decided 2 was enough.

# ? Sep 24, 2017 21:57

Palpek: Dec 27, 2008; Do you feel it, Zach?
My coffee warned me about it.

Click to learn one weird trick on how to destroy your decades-long marriage. Works even when you're happy with kids and haven't cheated! High-school sweethearts hate this.

# ? Sep 24, 2017 22:22

Beachcomber: May 21, 2007; Another day in paradise.; Slippery Tilde

Pick posted:

this is every husband who insists on anal sex due to it having completely permeated porn culture as the "ultimate" act of sexual intimacy for some reason

It is, but you can't skimp on the cost of the harness.

# ? Sep 24, 2017 23:05

noether: May 1, 2017; some kinda cutesy shoggoth

anyone post the landlocked neighbors saga yet? it's good poo poo

Neighbors stupidly caused themselves to be landlocked. Are we going to be legally required to share our private road?

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Here is a picture of the land area.
State: MN.
The vertical gray strip on the left side of the image is the public main road.
I own the land in pink. Our private road we use to access it is entirely on our land (surrounded by pink, denoted by "our road"). It has a locked gate and the sides of our land that are against roads are fenced. We have remotes for it or can open/close it from our house.
The neighbor used to own the land in blue AND purple, but sold the purple land to someone else a couple of weeks ago. They accessed their property by a gravel road on the purple land before, but the person who owns it now is planning on getting rid of that gravel road. Apparently when they sold the land they were assuming they could start using our private driveway instead. They didn't actually check with us first. They've effectively landlocked themselves, ultimately.
The neighbors want to use our road (denoted in gray) and make a gravel road from our road onto their property in blue that they still own.
We have had some heated discussions about it and things went downhill fast. They say that by not giving them access to our private road we are infringing the rights of their property ownership. Now they are threatening to sue us.
If they sue, is it likely that a judge would require us to let them use our road? Do we need to lawyer up?
THanks

UPDATE: My neighbors caused themselves to be landlocked. Now the sheriff wants me to let them use my road.

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I posted this last week. To make a long story short, my neighbors sold part of their land in a way that left them landlocked, because they assumed I would let them access their property via my property via my road, which is gated and locked at all times.
I got a lawyer and met with him. We hashed out a plan and I was feeling pretty good about everything.
Yesterday (Sunday) around noon the purple land owners finished fencing in their property.
My neighbors came home at about 3 PM and rang at the gate several times. I was advised by you guys as well as my lawyer to not let them in my gate even once, as that would set a precedent of them being allowed to use it. So, I ignored the ringing.
Eventually the husband got out of the car and walked around to the other side of my property, which is not yet fenced in. He used that to get to my house and knocked on the door. I answered and told him I will not allow him to use my gate, and to leave my property. He told me he wouldn't leave until I opened the gate so his wife could drive the car through. I said I would not do so and threatened to call the police. He walked left and went back to the car.
Then they started ringing the gate again. I looked out the window and they had a police officer with them. I went to the gate and informed the police officer that this is my property and I will not allow them to drive on it. I said that they have no legal right to access my property.
Then I walked back to the house. After a couple of minutes the police officer walked around to get onto my land and to the house and knocked at the door. He said that because their land is landlocked, I need to allow them to use my road until another solution can be figured out, and I can't just deny them access to their property.
I called my lawyer, who spoke with the police officer on the phone. The police officer acknowledged that he cannot force me to let them drive on my property, but that he strongly encourages me to work this out with my neighbors in a civil manner.
He left. The neighbors left their car in front of my gate, walked around to the unfenced part of my land, walked across my yard and onto their own property. I called my lawyer. We reported them for trespassing today. They left their car there until about 10 AM this morning.
Tonight I was visited by the sheriff. He told me very short and sweet that I cannot deny my neighbors access to their property via an established road. He said, "I better not get another call. From this point forward you will allow them to get to and from their property and will not lock them out or in." Then he walked away. Called the lawyer.
I am meeting with the lawyer in the morning. I am planning to ask her the following questions:
Is there a point where I should give into a police officer's request that I let them use my road?
If they block my gate again, can I have their car towed? The way they parked it, I would not have been able to leave my property via the gate. They were parked ON my land at the time, not on the public road.
If anyone has any thoughts on these, I am all ears. Thank you.

UPDATE: My neighbors caused themselves to be landlocked, I posted here, it's resolved now

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I posted here for advice a while back and received some excellent, some funny and some conflicting advice from all of you. The overwhelming advice was to get a lawyer, which I did. I explained the situation and that I had posted here, as well as the many topics you all prompted me to read up on (which was very helpful). While my lawyer seemed pleased with your advice to me, he also urged me to immediately stop publicly posting about the situation, which I did (and which I see from my many messages has disappointed all of you!)
First thing's first: everything worked out in my favor.
My wife was upset by the entire situation and especially concerned with our children, and she got involved as well. She spoke with some friends who were able to get her in touch with the local city council. They could not explicitly do anything direct to help us but did get us in touch with some of the right people to discuss our situation.
One of the most important results from those connections was learning that the "sheriff" who we spoke to was actually a deputy who was acting on the sheriff's behalf. We were able to meet with the actual sheriff. He did agree that we should be more open to compromise but was much more willing to admit that we had no immediate legal reason to do so, and no interest in forcing us to.
My lawyer made a key point of the fact (I use the term loosely) that if the neighbors require an easement to access their land, they should so so with the land they sold, and not with unrelated land. After a lot of back and forth (but no court proceedings, luckily) with the other party, their attention was refocused on the buyer of their land. Funny enough, it's a small world and I ended up meeting the buyer who was in my lawyer's office for a consultation with one of his partner's. He ended up needing to get a different lawyer (since I already had a lawyer from the firm, as I understand it) but we did keep in contact to some extent.
Now, some speculation: we believe that the reason the neighbors didn't bother us for a while was their finances; their lawyer was happy to keep pushing as long as he was getting paid, but when money ran dry he lost interest.
Due (we believe) to those financial problems as well as their inability to find a quick solution, the neighbors ultimately moved into town and lived with family there for several months. The neighbor on the other side gave them one-time access with a moving truck. Their lawyer had been showing up with them but was gone at that time, which is another reason I suspect major money issues.
In the fall the situation picked up again, with contact from a new lawyer this time. This new lawyer requested a meeting with us (and our lawyer, of course). He requested that we consider buying their property to resolve the issue. We initially said no, they offered it to the owner on the other side, they said no, they sweetened the pot. Eventually the price was right and my wife and I had developed an interest in more land. We discussed terms, then decided against it, they went a little cheaper again, we purchased their land.
I nearly posted an update once the purchase was complete but there was an additional interesting detail that came out of the woodwork, and brought new legal questions. The neighbors had used their land and home as collateral for an informal loan and the person who lent to them wanted the property when they failed to repay him. He came after us. The outcome of this was that they are the ones who failed their end of the contract, so his problem was with the neighbors, NOT with us. This is definitely a sideline from the original situation but caused a delay in my ability to update.
As of today, my wife and I are out a substantial amount of money due to legal fees, which it turned out was not worth going after from the neighbors. There is also bad news in that the home on that property was essentially worth even less than we thought, and there were major issues beyond the land itself (septic tank failure, leaking oil tank). Those expenses were slightly mitigated by insurance but we are out a good some.
We also had a hard time combining the plots, which was legally desirable to build anything that straddled the two property lines. However the plots are now combined into one large plot.
The good is that the neighbors are no longer an issue for us, and by this summer their property should be in good shape to use for a new project of our own. On one hand, I will say this: the little chunk of land was definitely not worth the time and stress involved in this process, nor the money. However, the outcome was positive for our family (for which there is no dollar value) and it's all over with now.
My sincere thanks to everyone who offered advice. There are far too many of you to thank individually, but please know that I appreciated everyone's contributions and I hope you're all still around to read my much delayed resolution.

# ? Sep 25, 2017 00:09

Pick: Jul 19, 2009; Nap Ghost

noether posted:

anyone post the landlocked neighbors saga yet? it's good poo poo

Neighbors stupidly caused themselves to be landlocked. Are we going to be legally required to share our private road?

UPDATE: My neighbors caused themselves to be landlocked. Now the sheriff wants me to let them use my road.

UPDATE: My neighbors caused themselves to be landlocked, I posted here, it's resolved now

just giving them an informal easement even if they're morons would have saved you a lot of loving money and trouble

# ? Sep 25, 2017 00:14

PHIZ KALIFA: Dec 21, 2011; #mood

LAWYERS: Not even once.

# ? Sep 25, 2017 00:16

DragQueenofAngmar: Dec 29, 2009; You shall not pass!

Pick posted:

just giving them an informal easement even if they're morons would have saved you a lot of loving money and trouble

"we won! we have significantly less money, problem property we don't really want, and are probably now known in town as huge rules-lawyering assholes, but WE WON"

# ? Sep 25, 2017 00:20

Admiral Ray: May 17, 2014; Proud Musk and Dogecoin fanboy

noether posted:

anyone post the landlocked neighbors saga yet? it's good poo poo

Neighbors stupidly caused themselves to be landlocked. Are we going to be legally required to share our private road?

UPDATE: My neighbors caused themselves to be landlocked. Now the sheriff wants me to let them use my road.

UPDATE: My neighbors caused themselves to be landlocked, I posted here, it's resolved now

This is legitimately a good way to show people that we need good public roads in order to have a society that runs smoothly. Easements are super annoying to deal with when a property owner is like "lol, no."

Also tbh the people that didn't get an easement on the land they sold is dumb as gently caress and I ain't gonna feel bad for them.

# ? Sep 25, 2017 00:21

Proteus Jones: Feb 28, 2013

Pick posted:

just giving them an informal easement even if they're morons would have saved you a lot of loving money and trouble

No. that becomes an entirely different headache if either party looks to sell property. It would become an easement through adverse possession at that point if I'm understanding correctly.

Honestly, they should have worked out an easement with the buyers of the 1st property they sold, or gotten an agreement from the neighbor prior to selling.

Other option, combine the parcels and then re-split so you had access to the township/county roads. Would have probably cost more in time and money, but the least headache than all the trying to do after the fact poo poo.

Proteus Jones fucked around with this message at 00:30 on Sep 25, 2017

# ? Sep 25, 2017 00:26

ArbitraryC: Jan 28, 2009; Pick a number, any number; Pillbug

It seems much more reasonable to me that they'd get a road through the people they sold their land to rather selling all their land and taking a strip of their neighbors just cause.

# ? Sep 25, 2017 00:36

Pick: Jul 19, 2009; Nap Ghost

ArbitraryC posted:

It seems much more reasonable to me that they'd get a road through the people they sold their land to rather selling all their land and taking a strip of their neighbors just cause.

sometimes when a stupid person does something stupid, you have to choose your fail condition because the stupid person is going to do something stupid and it's just a question of in what way and to what magnitude they drag you down with them.

# ? Sep 25, 2017 00:38

Soylent Pudding: Jun 22, 2007; We've got people!

DragQueenofAngmar posted:

"we won! we have significantly less money, problem property we don't really want, and are probably now known in town as huge rules-lawyering assholes, but WE WON"

I spent just shy of two years as an attorney doing real estate litigation. From my experience they came out way better off than many who get stuck in these situations. This is a win.

# ? Sep 25, 2017 00:44

DragQueenofAngmar: Dec 29, 2009; You shall not pass!

they could have avoided all of it if they'd steeled themselves to accept seeing a car (NOT their car!!) drive down their road

# ? Sep 25, 2017 00:46

Pick: Jul 19, 2009; Nap Ghost

Soylent Pudding posted:

I spent just shy of two years as an attorney doing real estate litigation. From my experience they came out way better off than many who get stuck in these situations. This is a win.

"hell, if they'd been working with me, I'd have been able to stretch this out twice as long and bill it all the way"

# ? Sep 25, 2017 00:46

ArbitraryC: Jan 28, 2009; Pick a number, any number; Pillbug

DragQueenofAngmar posted:

they could have avoided all of it if they'd steeled themselves to accept seeing a car (NOT their car!!) drive down their road

A road they presumably pay all the costs for and maintain via their own budget. Like even then it still seems dumb except that it was their neighbors not negotiating when they sold their property and instead assuming they could just drive through someone else's backyard that are causing the issue.

# ? Sep 25, 2017 00:48

DragQueenofAngmar: Dec 29, 2009; You shall not pass!

ArbitraryC posted:

A road they presumably pay all the costs for and maintain via their own budget. Like even then it still seems dumb except that it was their neighbors not negotiating when they sold their property and instead assuming they could just drive through someone else's backyard that are causing the issue.

yes, they are unambiguously in the right and their neighbors in the wrong. look how well that worked out for them in time, money, and mental peace lost irrevocably

# ? Sep 25, 2017 00:51

Admiral Ray: May 17, 2014; Proud Musk and Dogecoin fanboy

DragQueenofAngmar posted:

yes, they are unambiguously in the right and their neighbors in the wrong. look how well that worked out for them in time, money, and mental peace lost irrevocably

Having a spine does have a personal cost sometimes, yeah.

# ? Sep 25, 2017 00:52

Pick: Jul 19, 2009; Nap Ghost

DragQueenofAngmar posted:

yes, they are unambiguously in the right and their neighbors in the wrong. look how well that worked out for them in time, money, and mental peace lost irrevocably

"but I'm right and they're wrong!!!!" is the calling card of someone who, right or wrong, is going to make a lot of problems for themselves in life

that's why they say pride is so dangerous. not because it makes you preen, but because it makes you unable to make pragmatic decisions

# ? Sep 25, 2017 00:52

tactlessbastard: Feb 4, 2001; Godspeed, post; Fun Shoe

Counterpoint: gently caress they no driveway encumbered property havin' asses

# ? Sep 25, 2017 00:54

Meme Poker Party: Sep 1, 2006; by Azathoth

A land owner who box in he own plot, a shameful land owner.

# ? Sep 25, 2017 00:55

Proteus Jones: Feb 28, 2013

DragQueenofAngmar posted:

they could have avoided all of it if they'd steeled themselves to accept seeing a car (NOT their car!!) drive down their road

Until they decide to sell their property and discover that their neighbors have an easement through adverse possession and no one will buy a property encumbered like that.

# ? Sep 25, 2017 00:56

Improbable Lobster: Jan 6, 2012; "From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.; Buglord

Yeah it's seriously loving stupid to sell your property and then assume that your neighbour will let you use their gated road instead of just keeping a strip of land for your own road.

# ? Sep 25, 2017 00:57

Meme Poker Party: Sep 1, 2006; by Azathoth

My take: they are all a bunch of bourgeoisie, throw everyone involved off the nearest bridge.

# ? Sep 25, 2017 00:58

DragQueenofAngmar: Dec 29, 2009; You shall not pass!

really the lesson here is more "sometimes people will be dumb, and you're gonna be the one who hurts for it no matter what you do" when I think about it

# ? Sep 25, 2017 00:59

Pick: Jul 19, 2009; Nap Ghost

DragQueenofAngmar posted:

really the lesson here is more "sometimes people will be dumb, and you're gonna be the one who hurts for it no matter what you do" when I think about it

right but I probably would have tried to sell them a strip at the interface they could make a road through. or poo poo even give it to them, juuust wide enough for a vehicle. you can not come out ahead in this situation, it's just a matter of how you come out behind.

# ? Sep 25, 2017 01:00

Absurd Alhazred: Mar 27, 2010; by Athanatos

Those neighbors would 10000% have caused them property damage by doing something stupid with their cars or whatever. I mean, sure, it sucks for the "winners" that they got a property they never asked for in poo poo shape, but that only makes it clearer how toxic these idiots were as neighbors, so fighting to make sure they don't even get to use a single fraction of their property for their stupid lives was the right call.

# ? Sep 25, 2017 01:01

DragQueenofAngmar: Dec 29, 2009; You shall not pass!

Pick posted:

right but I probably would have tried to sell them a strip at the interface they could make a road through. or poo poo even give it to them, juuust wide enough for a vehicle. you can not come out ahead in this situation, it's just a matter of how you come out behind.

yeah this is probably the best option. even if not monetarily, less time in court and lying awake imagining different ways to kill your neighbors

# ? Sep 25, 2017 01:03

Pick: Jul 19, 2009; Nap Ghost

Absurd Alhazred posted:

Those neighbors would 10000% have caused them property damage by doing something stupid with their cars or whatever. I mean, sure, it sucks for the "winners" that they got a property they never asked for in poo poo shape, but that only makes it clearer how toxic these idiots were as neighbors, so fighting to make sure they don't even get to use a single fraction of their property for their stupid lives was the right call.

"i don't want toxic retards as neighbors"

well la de dah and i want a moon palace. and between those two, im betting on the moon palace.

# ? Sep 25, 2017 01:06

cumshitter: Sep 27, 2005; by Fluffdaddy

It's the property equivalent of those monks who would seal themselves into a brick room.

Man those guys were dicks. They totally expected someone to just gladly handle whatever pot they poo poo into for life and also people had to break down the wall to get their dumbass corpses out of there.

# ? Sep 25, 2017 01:07

Absurd Alhazred: Mar 27, 2010; by Athanatos

Pick posted:

"i don't want toxic retards as neighbors"

well la de dah and i want a moon palace. and between those two, im betting on the moon palace.

They won, though! They got the toxic neighbors to leave. THEY WON! :kheldragar:

# ? Sep 25, 2017 01:08

Soylent Pudding: Jun 22, 2007; We've got people!

DragQueenofAngmar posted:

really the lesson here is more "sometimes people will be dumb, and you're gonna be the one who hurts for it no matter what you do" when I think about it

Welcome to real property disputes. Even when you're 100% in the right and aren't getting hometowned by the sheriff's office a determined enough idiot will cost you.

# ? Sep 25, 2017 01:11

Pick: Jul 19, 2009; Nap Ghost

Soylent Pudding posted:

Welcome to real property disputes. Even when you're 100% in the right and aren't getting hometowned by the sheriff's office a determined enough idiot will cost you.

if you have a really good lawyer, you can expedite the process with a gun

# ? Sep 25, 2017 01:13

DragQueenofAngmar: Dec 29, 2009; You shall not pass!

Pick posted:

"but I'm right and they're wrong!!!!" is the calling card of someone who, right or wrong, is going to make a lot of problems for themselves in life

that's why they say pride is so dangerous. not because it makes you preen, but because it makes you unable to make pragmatic decisions

"fairness" has so, so much less to do with life than people want it to. like this one time: I moved into an apartment where my neighbor was super rude to me right off the bat, and made noise complaints for stuff that didn't happen, and was generally a jerk. know what I did? next time I saw him outside, I asked if he wanted to have a beer on the porch, and while we drank them I asked him what times of day he needed it quiet and said I'd do my best to accommodate them. and guess what? no more problems with that dude. we didn't like become friends, but we were fine neighbors after that.

if I gave this advice to someone on Reddit, I would be downvoted to oblivion. "why should they have to accommodate him, they are in the right!" sure, I acknowledge that. did you want to sit in your apartment knowing how in the right you are, or improve your situation? its not fair that I had to extend extra niceness to someone who was an rear end in a top hat for no reason, but it was the only thing that was going to actually improve my life in that apartment building. whoop de do.

# ? Sep 25, 2017 01:16

the holy poopacy: May 16, 2009; hey! check this out; Fun Shoe

Tell them they can use your road for a week or two while you work on a more permanent solution. Then build a brick wall between your private drive and the property line. Good fences make good neighbors.

# ? Sep 25, 2017 01:17

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# ? May 14, 2024 11:19

therobit: Aug 19, 2008; I've been tryin' to speak with you for a long time

In some jurisdictions you would not be allowed to landlock your property without arranging for an easement upfront. Why would you want to allow someone dumb enough to do that onto your land, where they will almost assuredly cause trouble? Granting them an easement makes your land less valuable and less salable, and makes their land more valuable and salable at all. Why would you give that up for free? The final outcome of forcing them into a very deep discount on their worthless property is far better if you have the resources to enforce your own legal rights, which it sounds like these people did.

therobit fucked around with this message at 02:27 on Sep 25, 2017

# ? Sep 25, 2017 01:21

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