TG Chat Thread 2017

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Zoro: Aug 30, 2017; by Smythe

I was checking out the preview for villains and Vigilantes 3rd Edition. I don't think the game is for me, but I was pleasantly surprised to see that it had a rather progressive view on sexuality and gender identity.

There are four tables for gender identity, gender expression, biological sex, and sexual orientation. It included results such as non-binary ( which was explicitly called out as a catch-all for things like genderqueer, and the such), asexual, transgender, Etc.

Players are not expected to rule on it unless they feel comfortable. It's implied to mostly be there for the GM to help create a more diverse cast.

Still, I was not expecting an OSR game to respectfully recognize the LGBT+ community.

# ? Sep 24, 2017 06:37

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drrockso20: May 6, 2013; Has Not Actually Done Cocaine

Zoro posted:

Still, I was not expecting an OSR game to respectfully recognize the LGBT+ community.

I haven't really seen much if any homophobia(or whatever would be the appropriate term when applied to the LGBT spectrum at large) in the OSR community, the worst I've seen(outside of some stuff like BITC, although that was more exploitave than anything) is the occasional member of the movement be kind of confused about it in the way a lot of older CIS White Men are, and not really in a malicious way either*

*I'm sure there are some actual pricks in this regard among the movement, but I haven't really seen any of that outside of the occasional Anon on /tg/ being a jackass

# ? Sep 24, 2017 09:40

Josef bugman: Nov 17, 2011; Pictured: Poster prepares to celebrate Holy Communion (probablY)

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Kibner posted:

You might want to rely on relationships between characters to get them to help their friends that have a more straightforward reason to go. The players did think of reasons why their characters would be willing to work together, right?

They are all related to each other, or at the very least related by marriage, so that is a good starting point. Thank you!

# ? Sep 24, 2017 17:42

Haystack: Jan 23, 2005

Josef bugman posted:

Heya everyone, I had a quick thing to ask.

See I set up a game with my friends from work of Heroquest. We set up an Orlanthi Clan in Dragon Pass just after the resettlement, eveything is a bit up for grabs and loads of people are playing along and everyone is having a good time.

Only problem is that the characters are very diverse and I don't know how to include all of them in 1) A singular party, 2) A coheseive narrative.

I don't mind giving people individual moments to shine (for obvious reasons) but wanted to ask what you guys think would be good story ideas for some of the characters.

They are as follows:

Vigilant Herder
Vengeful Priestess of Issaries
Charismatic Weaver
Eccentric Guide/hunter
Empathetic/seductive juggler
Creative Redsmith
Decietful (probably due to change) Mercenary
Misanthropic Skinner

I thought a good first adventure would be suffering some sort of set back in the Springtime fertility rites and needing people to go into the wilderness and find the [macguffin] that is causing the problems out there. That means that the Herder, Priestess, guide and merc are accounted for, but the others are a bit difficult to include. I also wanted to ask how to include cool things for people who build/make stuff to be put into storylines other than "competition about [skill]" and "Make [item] to help the tribe fight [thing]"

Rather than sending your people out, I would start by bringing trouble directly to your clan. A big scary raid by an enemy power (undead, grazelanders, trolls, chaos, etc) would be a good choice. It establishes the stakes, gives people a clear immediate objective as they fight/survive, and dealing with the aftermath gives your non-martial characters a clear chance to contribute.

The glorantha and/or Heroquest channel on the Chaosium discord is always available if you want to chat things out real time.

# ? Sep 24, 2017 17:51

Lurdiak: Feb 26, 2006; I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.

So I thought this might amuse you guys:

I've been running a D&D game featuring an overpowered undead king and his army. The party confronted him at level 1, and despite being given a chance to flee, they engaged him in battle, leading to two player deaths. Now normally I wouldn't put a player in a situation where they're very likely to die at level 1, but I had a plan here, and I told the players their characters were reborn as revenants. They didn't know what a revenant was, so I gave them a bunch of resources. I was going for the 4e version where they're a distinct race, so it wasn't just them being a corpse version of their former selves. I told one of them, "No, you're not an undead dwarf now, you're Brandon Lee."

Unfortunately, he was born in 1996, so he had no idea I was talking about The Crow. So he showed up to our next session with a new character named "Brandon Lee".

# ? Sep 24, 2017 21:46

Yawgmoth: Sep 10, 2003; This post is cursed!

Lurdiak posted:

Unfortunately, he was born in 1996, so he had no idea I was talking about The Crow.

I don't think him being born in 1996 had as much to do with it as much as Brandon Lee being a pretty much unknown actor even when he was alive.

# ? Sep 24, 2017 22:06

Countblanc: Apr 20, 2005; _{Help a hero out!}

i dont get that reference and i'm 30

# ? Sep 24, 2017 22:10

Tuxedo Catfish: Mar 17, 2007; You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.

I mean, narratively they're still an undead dwarf, right? Just not mechanically.

Also isn't race really important for charop in 4E? I get the reference but I can definitely see someone banking on still being mechanically dwarfy even if they're dead now.

# ? Sep 24, 2017 22:12

Tuxedo Catfish: Mar 17, 2007; You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.

Also after a rough first session and then like a month and a half of people missing the bi-weekly sessions due to hurricanes, sleep disorders, and other disasters, the second session of my Demon: The Descent game went incredibly well; I struck a much better balance between horror and humor without abandoning either, everyone was laughing and getting invested in their characters, and I have a pretty clear idea of where to take things next time.

:toot:

# ? Sep 24, 2017 22:15

slap me and kiss me: Apr 1, 2008; You best protect ya neck

Countblanc posted:

i dont get that reference and i'm 30

Put down your keyboard and go watch The Crow

# ? Sep 24, 2017 22:20

Countblanc: Apr 20, 2005; _{Help a hero out!}

slap me and kiss me posted:

Put down your keyboard and go watch The Crow

who the heck holds their keyboard

# ? Sep 24, 2017 22:21

slap me and kiss me: Apr 1, 2008; You best protect ya neck

Countblanc posted:

who the heck holds their keyboard

Weirdos who haven't seen the Crow

# ? Sep 24, 2017 22:32

Kai Tave: Jul 2, 2012; Fallen Rib

Countblanc posted:

who the heck holds their keyboard

# ? Sep 24, 2017 22:59

Reene: Aug 26, 2005

the crow wasn't that good

# ? Sep 24, 2017 23:00

Lurdiak: Feb 26, 2006; I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.

Tuxedo Catfish posted:

I mean, narratively they're still an undead dwarf, right? Just not mechanically.

Nah. Revenants are reincarnations in 4e, not animated corpses. They all look like gothy humans and are "marked by avian features" EG feathered hair or talon-like hands. They also don't retain full memories of their former lives, just glimpses.

Reene posted:

the crow wasn't that good

It really doesn't matter if it was good, it was a cultural touchstone. Like The Dark Knight is for people who aren't extremely old and creaky.

Yawgmoth posted:

I don't think him being born in 1996 had as much to do with it as much as Brandon Lee being a pretty much unknown actor even when he was alive.

People knew his name because of the association with The Crow. If you die when filming a movie about a dead goth, that pretty much canonizes you to other goths. It's an admittedly dated reference, though, because as stated, I am old.

Lurdiak fucked around with this message at 01:54 on Sep 25, 2017

# ? Sep 25, 2017 01:51

Simian_Prime: Nov 6, 2011; When they passed out body parts in the comics today, I got Cathy's nose and Dick Tracy's private parts.

Lurdiak posted:

Nah. Revenants are reincarnations in 4e, not animated corpses. They all look like gothy humans and are "marked by avian features" EG feathered hair or talon-like hands. They also don't retain full memories of their former lives, just glimpses.

Ok, but what's wrong with reskinning it as "now you're an undead dwarf with black feathered hair and clown makeup?"

# ? Sep 25, 2017 02:08

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Kai Tave posted:

This is a cool aesthetic

# ? Sep 25, 2017 02:12

Pope Guilty: Nov 6, 2006; The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

Kai Tave posted:

Loving those circuit board pants.

# ? Sep 25, 2017 02:16

Lurdiak: Feb 26, 2006; I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.

Simian_Prime posted:

Ok, but what's wrong with reskinning it as "now you're an undead dwarf with black feathered hair and clown makeup?"

If he was really set on it I would've allowed it. He was only asking because he was only familiar with the 5e revenants.

# ? Sep 25, 2017 02:46

DalaranJ: Apr 15, 2008; Yosuke will now die for you.

Kai Tave posted:

I am a real life Decker AMA.

# ? Sep 25, 2017 03:22

Yawgmoth: Sep 10, 2003; This post is cursed!

Lurdiak posted:

Nah. Revenants are reincarnations in 4e, not animated corpses. They all look like gothy humans and are "marked by avian features" EG feathered hair or talon-like hands. They also don't retain full memories of their former lives, just glimpses.

It really doesn't matter if it was good, it was a cultural touchstone. Like The Dark Knight is for people who aren't extremely old and creaky.

People knew his name because of the association with The Crow. If you die when filming a movie about a dead goth, that pretty much canonizes you to other goths. It's an admittedly dated reference, though, because as stated, I am old.

I think you vastly overestimate the cultural impact of both, dude. I've been hanging around with goths since The Crow came out because I am also An Old and if I asked 10 of them who Brandon Lee is I bet I'd get maybe two people to recognize his name.

So, again: it's not because he's young or you're old, it's because The Crow isn't the cultural hallmark for any culture that you want it to be.

# ? Sep 25, 2017 03:55

Tuxedo Catfish: Mar 17, 2007; You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.

which is a drat shame, mind

# ? Sep 25, 2017 04:00

Lurdiak: Feb 26, 2006; I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.

Yawgmoth posted:

I think you vastly overestimate the cultural impact of both, dude. I've been hanging around with goths since The Crow came out because I am also An Old and if I asked 10 of them who Brandon Lee is I bet I'd get maybe two people to recognize his name.

So, again: it's not because he's young or you're old, it's because The Crow isn't the cultural hallmark for any culture that you want it to be.

God, who cares. I just wanted to tell a story about DM/player miscommunication.

# ? Sep 25, 2017 05:37

theironjef: Aug 11, 2009; The archmage of unexpected stinks.

Y'all talkin' bout the star of Laser Mission in this thread?

# ? Sep 25, 2017 05:40

Barudak: May 7, 2007

theironjef posted:

Y'all talkin' bout the star of Laser Mission in this thread?

No, were talking about the guy who isnt Earnest Borgnine.

# ? Sep 25, 2017 06:09

Elfgames: Sep 11, 2011; Fun Shoe

Lurdiak posted:

So I thought this might amuse you guys:

I've been running a D&D game featuring an overpowered undead king and his army. The party confronted him at level 1, and despite being given a chance to flee, they engaged him in battle, leading to two player deaths. Now normally I wouldn't put a player in a situation where they're very likely to die at level 1, but I had a plan here, and I told the players their characters were reborn as revenants. They didn't know what a revenant was, so I gave them a bunch of resources. I was going for the 4e version where they're a distinct race, so it wasn't just them being a corpse version of their former selves. I told one of them, "No, you're not an undead dwarf now, you're Brandon Lee."

Unfortunately, he was born in 1996, so he had no idea I was talking about The Crow. So he showed up to our next session with a new character named "Brandon Lee".

so you had players make characters they liked and then killed them off in an unwinnable fight to have them remade as something you're seemingly way more fond of than them. uhhh good job?

# ? Sep 25, 2017 07:40

Lurdiak: Feb 26, 2006; I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.

Elfgames posted:

so you had players make characters they liked and then killed them off in an unwinnable fight to have them remade as something you're seemingly way more fond of than them. uhhh good job?

# ? Sep 25, 2017 09:20

paradoxGentleman: Dec 10, 2013; wheres the jester, I could do with some pointless nonsense right about now

Lurdiak posted:

How is their assessment wrong? It seems pretty spot on to me.

# ? Sep 25, 2017 10:45

Nuns with Guns: Jul 23, 2010; It's fine.
Don't worry about it.

It sounds like they had a chance to not be murdered? There's not enough context to say how obvious it was or if the PCs were cool with wiping.

# ? Sep 25, 2017 12:30

Arivia: Mar 17, 2011

Welp, the most recent Pathfinder product has "daemon of pedophiles in unmarked vans with candy" as a thing. :stonk:

edit: His areas of interest are abduction, strangers, and sweets.

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# ? Sep 25, 2017 13:54

Serf: May 5, 2011

Arivia posted:

Welp, the most recent Pathfinder product has "daemon of pedophiles in unmarked vans with candy" as a thing.

Someone wanted to cash in on the resurgence in popularity for Pennywise.

# ? Sep 25, 2017 13:59

potatocubed: Jul 26, 2012; *rathian noises*

Arivia posted:

Welp, the most recent Pathfinder product has "daemon of pedophiles in unmarked vans with candy" as a thing.

edit: His areas of interest are abduction, strangers, and sweets.

Holy poo poo.

"Abuse a child and you can have +2 to Charisma checks!"

# ? Sep 25, 2017 14:12