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DragQueenofAngmar posted:"fairness" has so, so much less to do with life than people want it to. like this one time: I moved into an apartment where my neighbor was super rude to me right off the bat, and made noise complaints for stuff that didn't happen, and was generally a jerk. know what I did? next time I saw him outside, I asked if he wanted to have a beer on the porch, and while we drank them I asked him what times of day he needed it quiet and said I'd do my best to accommodate them. and guess what? no more problems with that dude. we didn't like become friends, but we were fine neighbors after that. the ghost of dale carnegie smiles on you, wise one
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Pick posted:"but I'm right and they're wrong!!!!" is the calling card of someone who, right or wrong, is going to make a lot of problems for themselves in life Proteus Jones posted:No. that becomes an entirely different headache if either party looks to sell property. It would become an easement through adverse possession at that point if I'm understanding correctly. Soylent Pudding posted:I spent just shy of two years as an attorney doing real estate litigation. From my experience they came out way better off than many who get stuck in these situations. This is a win. Hmm. Maybe we should listen to the attorney here who has experience in the subject matter you goons
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DragQueenofAngmar posted:yes, they are unambiguously in the right and their neighbors in the wrong. look how well that worked out for them in time, money, and mental peace lost irrevocably I dunno if it was much peace los, the balls on those neighbors and they'd start to use the private road to roll a bunch of trucks through. If they were gonna be reasonable people they would have renegotiated with the the neighbors they just sold land too, that they tried to sell their land and annex the OP's is all the reason to fight them.
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It's not a fairness thing, it's one of those things where letting them use your stuff sounds fine until something goes wrong(them wrecking their car on a pothole, you repaving your road at an inconvenient time for them, etc) and they get pissed at you for it. And someone stupid enough to landlock their property will absolutely cause a huge hassle if they decide your road caused damages to them. Or until someone else buys your property, says "lol no you can't use this", and it turns into a problem like this: My neighbor's children are using a ladder to get to my pool and their parents won't do anything about it. quote:I live in California.
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Haifisch posted:It's not a fairness thing, it's one of those things where letting them use your stuff sounds fine until something goes wrong(them wrecking their car on a pothole, you repaving your road at an inconvenient time for them, etc) and they get pissed at you for it. And someone stupid enough to landlock their property will absolutely cause a huge hassle if they decide your road caused damages to them. Drain the pool into their yard.
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Sep 25, 2017 01:46
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it's gonna be great when one of those idiot kids breaks their neck and the parents sue the pool owner for it
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Haifisch posted:It's not a fairness thing, it's one of those things where letting them use your stuff sounds fine until something goes wrong(them wrecking their car on a pothole, you repaving your road at an inconvenient time for them, etc) and they get pissed at you for it. And someone stupid enough to landlock their property will absolutely cause a huge hassle if they decide your road caused damages to them. poison the children (on their own property obviously)
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Sep 25, 2017 01:48
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Get a realistic looking fake turd and let it float around the pool. Problem solved.
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Sep 25, 2017 01:49
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Neighbor kids keep coming on my dad's property, which is used for hunting. KYquote:My dad owns 40 acres in KY outside town limits for hunting. There are over 300 private property/no trespassing signs posted around the perimeter.
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Haifisch posted:Neighbor kids keep coming on my dad's property, which is used for hunting. KY Get some wild hogs on there that will eat the kids, OP.
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Admiral Ray posted:Get some wild hogs on there that will eat the kids, OP. Which can be easily done by just not actively hunting the bastards 
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Sep 25, 2017 01:51
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My neighbor's children are using a ladder to get to my pool and their parents won't do anything about it. [/quote] Take them to the local children's hospital and show them a kid that's brain dead on a ventilator from drowning. I take care of too many kids who drown in a neighbors pool to give a poo poo how cute the parents think it is. Call CPS and tell them the parents are putting the kids in danger by gross neglect.
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Sep 25, 2017 01:52
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Pour hot oil down the ladder while you wait for the Dwarven reinforcements and Elf archers
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La Brea Carpet posted:
Neither of these would achieve anything, other than have CPS laugh at you.
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Sep 25, 2017 02:02
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Probably posted before, but gently caress it, it's still a good read: [Ontario] Neighbor's kids stole some of my pepper plants. They ate them, got hurt, now they want to sue. quote:Facebook friend told me to post here for advice.
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Haifisch posted:Probably posted before, but gently caress it, it's still a good read: "The deadline" lmfao. Tell him to gently caress off, get a fence, and report them for trespassing. Edit: And report him for extortion. Admiral Ray fucked around with this message at 02:10 on Sep 25, 2017 |
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The OP faced a bunch of potential costs to allowing use of the private road. First, allowing it would have created an easement over OP's property. This in and of itself will lower the value of the OP's property. Second, the responsibilities to prevent wear and maintain the easement would have to be negotiated. What type of use is allowed. Who is responsible for paying the maintenance. Will the other party actually honor their commitment in 5, 10, or 15 years when the road needs to be resurfaced? Will they run heavy trucks down the road whether or not the grant of easement allows it? Are you willing to go to court then to enforce that agreement? What if they sell the property and the new owners don't abide by it. Will you eat the costs or will you go to court against potentially more toxic people? Do you spend 1-2 years settling the issue now or invite a potential lifetime of headaches? Based on the neighbor's other dealings, the demands to use the OP's property, and other red flags in the post the neighbor's sound like first degree shitlords who would be nightmares to deal with on all of these issues. Third, and this given its own category for emphasis, who has ultimate liability to third parties concerning the above concerns. Consider that four of neighbor's friends come over to visit them. It's raining. The road is in poor shape because neighbors haven't been paying their share to maintain it. You've been meaning to fix that one known defect but were waiting for neighbors to pony up before hiring a contractor. The friend's truck loses traction, hits a tree. Between the four them they have $300K in medical bills. OP and the neighbors are sued. Neighbors are likely judgment proof, so now OP is on the hook. Fourth, does OP have any conceivable plans to change the use of that road or route it anywhere else. Having an easement over it will derail those plans. This is just poo poo I'm thinking of off the top of my head and there could easily be more concerns if I knew more details and had time to look it over. Furthermore, this is not a simple case. When the sheriff showed up I got worried because I've seen assholes in the wrong cause significant grief by reaching out to their cousin / brother / uncle / brother-uncle at the sheriffs office to enforce an illegal order based on a hilariously one-sided interpretation of what someone thinks the law is. On top of that a landlocked property usually has the right to demand an easement. The difficulty here is that the owners landlocked themselves (if they had a decent lawyer do the closing they would have caught that). Usually the last property they sold off would be the one they can demand an easement over but even then that's complicated. Either way someone is getting screwed, either the OP or the other land purchaser, in order to fix the landlocking. When it comes to land, especially homesteads people get really, really, loving emotional and unreasonable. It takes reasonableness on all sides to actually have a calm and settled solution. Sometimes this happens, more often it doesn't. There was one story that got around the town I was practicing in. Two farmers had a similar dispute over an easement. The first invited the other farmer for beer and they tried to talk it out. Felt like they succeeded in having a cordial resolution. A few days later the neighbor stampeded a herd of cattle across the first farmer's land. Day after the neighbor's cousin at the county sheriff's office came out to try and arrest the first farmer for stealing the neighbor's cattle that were now on first's land. In this case the OP did everything right. They hired a lawyer, the worked with the lawyer to find the most cost-effective legal solution, they shut up and didn't post all the details on the internet, and unfortunately they still got kinda screwed. It also looks like the other lender to the neighbor's got screwed with the loan. While this is a onesided take, it looks to me that the neighbors were entitled assholes who harmed a lot of people with their shenanigans. They are described as likely being judgment proof so the innocents they harmed are stuck bearing the loss. This is unfortunately common. In conclusion, 1) based on the facts presented the OP did everything right by lawyering up and following their advice, and 2) Everyone saying "it's no big deal why couldn't they just be reasonable" has no clue what they're talking about so please go back to posting idiots on reddit or hitting on PIck or whatever this thread is about these days.
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Dienes posted:Neither of these would achieve anything, other than have CPS laugh at you. Eh probably not but it just pisses me off that people are that careless about kids and pools having seen the consequences many many times.
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I don't think the dad can demand unmarked, untraceable cash after he offed the hostage plants. Dude has no leverage now.
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cumshitter posted:I don't think the dad can demand unmarked, untraceable cash after he offed the hostage plants. Dude has no leverage now. Always demand proof of leaf.
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La Brea Carpet posted:Eh probably not but it just pisses me off that people are that careless about kids and pools having seen the consequences many many times. Agreed. And when it does happen, they'll sue the pool owner for the injuries and probably win because of "Attractive Nuisance" laws.
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Dienes posted:Agreed. And when it does happen, they'll sue the pool owner for the injuries and probably win because of "Attractive Nuisance" laws. If the dude had a fence with a lock that met or exceedes code and had a paper trial of calling the police and trying to keep the kids away I don't think they could slam him for that. IANAL but this is why you should carry a ton of liability insurance I'd you won a house with a pool.
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DragQueenofAngmar posted:"fairness" has so, so much less to do with life than people want it to. like this one time: I moved into an apartment where my neighbor was super rude to me right off the bat, and made noise complaints for stuff that didn't happen, and was generally a jerk. know what I did? next time I saw him outside, I asked if he wanted to have a beer on the porch, and while we drank them I asked him what times of day he needed it quiet and said I'd do my best to accommodate them. and guess what? no more problems with that dude. we didn't like become friends, but we were fine neighbors after that. So the monetary damages you decided were acceptable to solve this at your rental apartment was a 6 pack? I don't think you know anything about owning property and how much damage to value an adverse possession easement will cost you on sale.......if anyone will even buy a property in that state. Pick posted:right but I probably would have tried to sell them a strip at the interface they could make a road through. or poo poo even give it to them, juuust wide enough for a vehicle. you can not come out ahead in this situation, it's just a matter of how you come out behind. Yeah, because that won't take years to fight through the county, tons of time cash to get the plat and titles redone and probably moving a fence. All so you can give away a strip of property. WHAT A VICTORY!
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quote:My neighbor's children are using a ladder to get to my pool and their parents won't do anything about it. Are rock salt loaded shotguns not a thing anymore?
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For every level-headed, amenable neighbor out there who will be happy to work out any minor conflict with a friendly conversation, there is a dumb, dull, contentious sack of rear end who is going to spray their poo poo in every direction as far as the people around them will permit.
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blarzgh posted:For every level-headed, amenable neighbor out there who will be happy to work out any minor conflict with a friendly conversation, there is a dumb, dull, contentious sack of rear end who is going to spray their poo poo in every direction as far as the people around them will permit. Exactly this.
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I don't get why the pool owner doesn't just give the children an easement on his pool. Look, stupid people are gonna be stupid, it's best to just roll over and submit yourself entirely to their idiocy, regardless of cost to yourself.
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Slugworth posted:I don't get why the pool owner doesn't just give the children an easement on his pool. Look, stupid people are gonna be stupid, it's best to just roll over and submit yourself entirely to their idiocy, regardless of cost to yourself. To be honest, the pool owner will come out ahead in litigation, because there are actually pretty stringent requirements for the attractive nuisance doctrine. however you will still lose because you had to hire lawyers to represent you diligently.
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Yeah, and its california so the old standby of shooting them dead when you catch them trespassing might not hold up in court.
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Sep 25, 2017 02:59
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Admiral Ray posted:"The deadline" lmfao. Tell him to gently caress off, get a fence, and report them for trespassing. And it's Ontario, so it's not like they can sue for medical bills either.
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Barudak posted:Yeah, and its california so the old standby of shooting them dead when you catch them trespassing might not hold up in court. I didn't realize this was in California. Plant some weed next to the fence and when those little shits trample your plants sue them for loving up your legal business.
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Customer is threatening legal advice over spicy food that was "as hot as acid" [CA]quote:Hey. First of all I'd like to say that I created an account on Reddit because this was supposedly the best place to seek advice.
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Sep 25, 2017 03:20
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You probably shouldn't eat acid if you're basic as poo poo.
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Haifisch posted:Customer is threatening legal advice over spicy food that was "as hot as acid" [CA] Talk about a endorsement. "Sauce so hot we've been sued over it!"
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Sep 25, 2017 03:31
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Just make people start signing a dumb loving waiver to get their food, a tactic I'm convinced is 99% marketing.
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Gf [24F] is insecure about her intelligence among my classmates/colleagues at law school. Starts unnecessary, cringe-y debates and uses words incorrectly. How do I [26M] ask her to stop without hurting her feelings? I met my girlfriend "Nicki" 6 months ago at a local gym for a fitness class. She was working as a trainer at the time, and I thought she was gorgeous, funny, and sweet and we started dating shortly after that. She has since switched jobs and works in an administrative/support role in a small company in the city. I think she's doing really well and I'm really proud of her, but she has a LOT of insecurities about herself that's been getting to me as well. Here's what bothers her. I'm a 2L law student at a highly ranked law school (top 5 in US) in our city. I'm not saying it to brag, but because Nicki brings it up ALL the time when we're together. All the time. She talks about how we must look down at all the "locals" and how our lives have been so different, etc. I try to understand her feelings and we've had countless talks about our lives, my privileges, her dreams, and on. Well, her insecurities come and go, but they REALLY come out when we are hanging with my friends/classmates. This may sound mean but Nicki tries really hard to come off as intelligent when we're with these people, to the point where her attempts are a little embarrassing. She also gets really aggressive and "challenges" people to random debates at inappropriate times (like someone's birthday dinner), usually on subjects she knows very little on. She has a habit of interjecting a bunch of random, complex-sounding words into her speech without knowing what they mean. Such as "god the situation in North Korea is such a facetious catch-22" or nonsensical things like that. I don't know what she's trying to say most of the time so I can't help the discussion, and my friends just look confused and try to work with it out of politeness. It would be easy to talk to her about this if it weren't for her sensitivity about this in particular. She genuinely thinks my friends are really impressed with her "because they're stunned silent!" when they're actually just confused. As a result she's been doing it more and more. I have no idea how to approach her without implying that she's been using these words incorrectly/making nonsense arguments. I once corrected her on the use of one word "conflagration" which she thought was a fancy word for "meeting" and I have never seen her so mad at me. She didn't talk to me for 3 days. I know she was beyond embarrassed and it struck her in the heart of her insecurities, but still, it wasn't a good response. How do I approach her and talk to her about her misguided attempts to seem smart in front of my friends? She genuinely thinks they're impressed, and I know I'd hurt her so much if I told her otherwise. But if I don't she'll keep going and honestly it's getting ridiculous. So, how can I let her know without setting off her insecurities and getting mad at me? tl;dr: Gf uses a lot of words/phrases incorrectly in order to seem smart in front of my classmates. It can get really embarrassing but she is really sensitive about her intelligence and thinks she's being impressive. How to gently let her know otherwise?
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Look, just put an easement on the path to the hot sauce prep area and we will be on our way
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From now on I'm just going to refer to things as being facetious catch-22s
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There's a conflagration in my pants and everyone's invited.
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The girlfriend is super insecure. It doesn't read like she's an idiot, more like she feels threatened by her law student boyfriend and his smart friends. The more he tries to call her on it, the more defensive she'll get, because "you're trying too hard to sound smart" sounds an awful lot like "you're not smart" to somebody who already feels like they have to try to impress everyone.
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